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By Asura.Melliny 2022-11-05 11:38:49  
This is the most active the blm forms have been in years. I have to admit, it's nice to see this discussion. Even if it is a bit heated, there's some really good info here. The summary of the last few pages is that we've been fussing over 3 slots in the grid, and in the end the differences appear to be fairly small

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Head -- Ea hat +1 and R25 Agwu's are both very comparable
Neck -- Quanpur and Stole +2 are actually pretty close when you're nuking earth.
Feet -- Like the head, R25 Agwu's and Wicce +3 are both very comparable

Depending on your buffs, the target, and the spell tier the outcome can go either way with either of the listed head and feet options. As long as you're using one of them you should be perfectly fine. Also, bunzi's rod + ammurapu shield is better for pure damage, but marin +1 and enki allows myrkr. And if you don't have wicce earring +2 you use regal earring in its place until you do.

That pretty much summarizes everything over the last few pages. The gains from swapping between the pieces listed isn't very big, and at that point your groups coordination is going to matter far more than which choice you made for the slots. Magic bursting requires teamwork, and if your group is synergizing well you'll be just fine.
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By Ragnarok.Siyual 2022-11-05 12:06:30  
How does Laev stack into the mix? With 2990 TP AM2 active, it's:

MAB+120
MACC+205
MDMG+279
INT+10

vs. Marin +1

MAB+68
MACC+180
MDMG+217
INT+47

vs. Bunzi

MAB+98
MACC+216
MDMG+248
INT+28

How does mythic slot into this? Does it change the optimal gear any at all?

From my layman's point of view, it looks like with AM2 up, Laev is still on top, unless the INT drop is that significant.
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By Asura.Melliny 2022-11-05 12:15:45  
Laevetinn is better. If you have the mythic, you use the mythic. Simple as that. You don't even need to bother doing the math. Trust me, it wins. It's not a common mythic for people to build though. That's why it's been omitted from discussion thus far.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2022-11-05 12:15:56  
Laev does more damage with less magic accuracy, but all options can cap damage. Laev does guarantee that you have the extra -10 MDB which means you don't need weather for Laev, but even just single weather all can cap without the -10 from ws

Mythic is also more annoying to use
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By Lilllith 2022-11-05 12:28:37  
V20 & V25 Ongo
Laevateinn> Marin +1> Bunzi Rod

All sortie ABCDEFGH Bosses
Bunzi Rod
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By Asura.Sechs 2022-11-05 13:31:41  
Lilllith said: »
V20 & V25 Ongo
Laevateinn> Marin +1> Bunzi Rod

All sortie ABCDEFGH Bosses
Bunzi Rod
V25 Ongo? Wut?
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By llAKs0nll 2022-11-05 14:17:01  
Ramuh.Austar said: »
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441 + 2500 + 90 * 3 = 3211

3211 * 1.1 = 3532

3532 * 1.75 = 6181

6181 * 2.06 = 12732

12732 * 1.35 = 17188

17188 * 6.8 / .68 = 171880
Taking in consideration everything explained here.
I hit Capped MDB w/ Minus -10 MDB -50 MAB via AM2 by forgetting to reapply AM2 &/or swap to Bunzi/Kei simply via

M.Dmg 2100+(50•4)+460 = 2760

MAB 367+100+90+40 = 597

(100+597)/(100-22) = 8.935

2760 • 1.1 = 3036

3036 • 1.45 = 4402

4402 • 2.09 = 9200

9200 • 8.935 = 82204

82204 • 1.25 = 102755

That interesting you can hit such MBD even when making obvious Errors.

No AM2. No Vidohunir Debuff. No problem.
Thx again for the input. I now do fully believe we do NOT need to Multiply ea. MB Bonus separately yet can indeed Add all MB Bonus together instead.

I hit such much earlier in the SC Bonus process.
Just trying to verify in game MBD w/ the actual Equation itself.
True indeed. That’s what I did in the Game.
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By Ragnarok.Siyual 2022-11-05 14:33:03  
Sorry, one last question. Why Wicce legs over Ea+1?

Ea+1:
INT+48
MAB+41
MACC+51
MDMG+0
MB1+8
MB2+8

Wicce:
INT+53
MAB+58
MACC+63
MDMG+33
MB1+15
MB2+0

Delta from Ea+1 to Wicce+3 Legs:
INT+5
MAB+17
MDMG+33
MACC+12
MB1+7 (irrelevant)
MB2-8

I'm pretty sure I just answered my own question writing this out, but just confirming that 8% MB2 is worth trading for 5 INT, 17 MAB, 33 MDMG, 12 MACC, and the cherry of set bonus Wicce and ja extension...

Yeah, unless someone says I'm crazy that seems like a good deal and this post is pointless, but I wrote this much that I'm committed to pushing Submit.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2022-11-05 14:37:46  
Against the 425 value of ongo, with -32 MDB and +91 MAB from COR+GEO and +176 INT from BRD+GEO+Food
Code
{'Name': 'Marin Staff +1', 'INT': 47, 'Magic Accuracy': 180, 'MAB': 68, 'Magic Damage': 217}
{'Name': 'Ghastly Tathlum +1', 'MP': 35, 'Magic Damage': 21, 'INT': 11}
{'Name': 'Ea Hat +1', 'MP': 65, 'INT': 43, 'Magic Accuracy': 50, 'MAB': 38, 'MB Damage': 7, 'MB Damage II': 7}
{'Name': 'Wicce Coat +3', 'MP': 132, 'INT': 50, 'Magic Accuracy': 64, 'MAB': 59, 'Magic Damage': 34, 'MB Damage II': 5}
{'Name': "Agwu's Gages", 'MP': 73, 'INT': 33, 'Magic Accuracy': 50, 'MAB': 58, 'Magic Damage': 20, 'MB Damage': 8, 'MB Damage II': 5}
{'Name': 'Wicce Chausses +3', 'MP': 119, 'INT': 53, 'Magic Accuracy': 63, 'MAB': 58, 'Magic Damage': 33, 'MB Damage': 15}
{'Name': 'Wicce Sabots +3', 'MP': 50, 'INT': 36, 'Magic Accuracy': 60, 'MAB': 50, 'Magic Damage': 30, 'Dark Skill': 35}
{'Name': 'Src. Stole +2', 'Magic Accuracy': 30, 'MAB': 7, 'INT': 15, 'MB Damage': 10}
{'Name': 'Regal Earring', 'MP': 20, 'INT': 10, 'MAB': 7}
{'Name': 'Malignance Earring', 'INT': 8, 'Magic Accuracy': 10, 'MAB': 8}
{'Name': 'Metamor. Ring +1', 'INT': 16, 'MP': 60, 'Magic Accuracy': 15}
{'Name': 'Freke Ring', 'INT': 10, 'MAB': 8}
{'Name': "Taranus's Cape", 'MB Damage': 5, 'INT': 30, 'Magic Accuracy': 20, 'Magic Damage': 20, 'MAB': 10}


Comes out to 108097

Code
Top Valid Set:
{'Name': 'Marin Staff +1', 'INT': 47, 'Magic Accuracy': 180, 'MAB': 68, 'Magic Damage': 217}
{'Name': 'Ghastly Tathlum +1', 'MP': 35, 'Magic Damage': 21, 'INT': 11}
{'Name': 'Ea Hat +1', 'MP': 65, 'INT': 43, 'Magic Accuracy': 50, 'MAB': 38, 'MB Damage': 7, 'MB Damage II': 7}
{'Name': 'Wicce Coat +3', 'MP': 132, 'INT': 50, 'Magic Accuracy': 64, 'MAB': 59, 'Magic Damage': 34, 'MB Damage II': 5}
{'Name': "Agwu's Gages", 'MP': 73, 'INT': 33, 'Magic Accuracy': 50, 'MAB': 58, 'Magic Damage': 20, 'MB Damage': 8, 'MB Damage II': 5}
{'Name': 'Ea Slops +1', 'MP': 100, 'INT': 48, 'Magic Accuracy': 51, 'MAB': 41, 'MB Damage': 8, 'MB Damage II': 8}
{'Name': "Agwu's Pigaches", 'MP': 44, 'INT': 30, 'Magic Accuracy': 50, 'MAB': 58, 'Magic Damage': 20, 'MB Damage': 6, 'Drain Potency': 33}
{'Name': 'Src. Stole +2', 'Magic Accuracy': 30, 'MAB': 7, 'INT': 15, 'MB Damage': 10}
{'Name': 'Regal Earring', 'MP': 20, 'INT': 10, 'MAB': 7}
{'Name': 'Malignance Earring', 'INT': 8, 'Magic Accuracy': 10, 'MAB': 8}
{'Name': 'Metamor. Ring +1', 'INT': 16, 'MP': 60, 'Magic Accuracy': 15}
{'Name': 'Freke Ring', 'INT': 10, 'MAB': 8}
{'Name': "Taranus's Cape", 'MB Damage': 5, 'INT': 30, 'Magic Accuracy': 20, 'Magic Damage': 20, 'MAB': 10}


Comes out to 107116


And before some *** goon says something about the feet, my program runs every possible combination to find the highest damage. Taking away wicce+3 legs gives the ea+1 combination. both sets will easily cap on ongo but the wicce option has more m.acc
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By Ragnarok.Siyual 2022-11-05 14:42:48  
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Against the 425 value of ongo, with -32 MDB and +91 MAB from COR+GEO and +176 INT from BRD+GEO+Food
Code
{'Name': 'Marin Staff +1', 'INT': 47, 'Magic Accuracy': 180, 'MAB': 68, 'Magic Damage': 217}
{'Name': 'Ghastly Tathlum +1', 'MP': 35, 'Magic Damage': 21, 'INT': 11}
{'Name': 'Ea Hat +1', 'MP': 65, 'INT': 43, 'Magic Accuracy': 50, 'MAB': 38, 'MB Damage': 7, 'MB Damage II': 7}
{'Name': 'Wicce Coat +3', 'MP': 132, 'INT': 50, 'Magic Accuracy': 64, 'MAB': 59, 'Magic Damage': 34, 'MB Damage II': 5}
{'Name': "Agwu's Gages", 'MP': 73, 'INT': 33, 'Magic Accuracy': 50, 'MAB': 58, 'Magic Damage': 20, 'MB Damage': 8, 'MB Damage II': 5}
{'Name': 'Wicce Chausses +3', 'MP': 119, 'INT': 53, 'Magic Accuracy': 63, 'MAB': 58, 'Magic Damage': 33, 'MB Damage': 15}
{'Name': 'Wicce Sabots +3', 'MP': 50, 'INT': 36, 'Magic Accuracy': 60, 'MAB': 50, 'Magic Damage': 30, 'Dark Skill': 35}
{'Name': 'Src. Stole +2', 'Magic Accuracy': 30, 'MAB': 7, 'INT': 15, 'MB Damage': 10}
{'Name': 'Regal Earring', 'MP': 20, 'INT': 10, 'MAB': 7}
{'Name': 'Malignance Earring', 'INT': 8, 'Magic Accuracy': 10, 'MAB': 8}
{'Name': 'Metamor. Ring +1', 'INT': 16, 'MP': 60, 'Magic Accuracy': 15}
{'Name': 'Freke Ring', 'INT': 10, 'MAB': 8}
{'Name': "Taranus's Cape", 'MB Damage': 5, 'INT': 30, 'Magic Accuracy': 20, 'Magic Damage': 20, 'MAB': 10}


Comes out to 108097

Code
Top Valid Set:
{'Name': 'Marin Staff +1', 'INT': 47, 'Magic Accuracy': 180, 'MAB': 68, 'Magic Damage': 217}
{'Name': 'Ghastly Tathlum +1', 'MP': 35, 'Magic Damage': 21, 'INT': 11}
{'Name': 'Ea Hat +1', 'MP': 65, 'INT': 43, 'Magic Accuracy': 50, 'MAB': 38, 'MB Damage': 7, 'MB Damage II': 7}
{'Name': 'Wicce Coat +3', 'MP': 132, 'INT': 50, 'Magic Accuracy': 64, 'MAB': 59, 'Magic Damage': 34, 'MB Damage II': 5}
{'Name': "Agwu's Gages", 'MP': 73, 'INT': 33, 'Magic Accuracy': 50, 'MAB': 58, 'Magic Damage': 20, 'MB Damage': 8, 'MB Damage II': 5}
{'Name': 'Ea Slops +1', 'MP': 100, 'INT': 48, 'Magic Accuracy': 51, 'MAB': 41, 'MB Damage': 8, 'MB Damage II': 8}
{'Name': "Agwu's Pigaches", 'MP': 44, 'INT': 30, 'Magic Accuracy': 50, 'MAB': 58, 'Magic Damage': 20, 'MB Damage': 6, 'Drain Potency': 33}
{'Name': 'Src. Stole +2', 'Magic Accuracy': 30, 'MAB': 7, 'INT': 15, 'MB Damage': 10}
{'Name': 'Regal Earring', 'MP': 20, 'INT': 10, 'MAB': 7}
{'Name': 'Malignance Earring', 'INT': 8, 'Magic Accuracy': 10, 'MAB': 8}
{'Name': 'Metamor. Ring +1', 'INT': 16, 'MP': 60, 'Magic Accuracy': 15}
{'Name': 'Freke Ring', 'INT': 10, 'MAB': 8}
{'Name': "Taranus's Cape", 'MB Damage': 5, 'INT': 30, 'Magic Accuracy': 20, 'Magic Damage': 20, 'MAB': 10}


Comes out to 107116


And before some *** goon says something about the feet, my program runs every possible combination to find the highest damage. Taking away wicce+3 legs gives the ea+1 combination. both sets will easily cap on ongo but the wicce option has more m.acc

Hah! That actually makes me feel better it's that close. The Ea Slops +1 set that you found is literally my current MB set, except with Laev. So I can trade that up and get 30m on the side and not feel bad about that lol.

Thanks again!
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By llAKs0nll 2022-11-05 14:43:32  
llAKs0nll said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Code
441 + 2500 + 90 * 3 = 3211

3211 * 1.1 = 3532

3532 * 1.75 = 6181

6181 * 2.06 = 12732

12732 * 1.35 = 17188

17188 * 6.8 / .68 = 171880
Taking in consideration everything explained here.
I hit Capped MDB w/ Minus -10 MDB -50 MAB via AM2 by forgetting to reapply AM2 &/or swap to Bunzi/Kei simply via

M.Dmg 2100+(50•4)+460 = 2760

MAB 367+100+90+40 = 597

(100+597)/(100-22) = 8.935

2760 • 1.1 = 3036

3036 • 1.45 = 4402

4402 • 2.09 = 9200

9200 • 8.935 = 82204

82204 • 1.25 = 102755

That interesting you can hit such MBD even when making obvious Errors.

No AM2. No Vidohunir Debuff. No problem.
Thx again for the input. I now do fully believe we do NOT need to Multiply ea. MB Bonus separately yet can indeed Add all MB Bonus together instead.

I hit such much earlier in the SC Bonus process.
Just trying to verify in game MBD w/ the actual Equation itself.
True indeed. That’s what I did in the Game.

I didn’t take 9200 • 8.935 / .89
I honestly don’t even know why you would & did.

Am I doing something Wrong?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2022-11-05 14:46:03  
I didn't use 9200. You're quoting yourself there.

I don't know what your total values are or the INT for Ongo you're using there, so I can't say where you went wrong.

I believe the set I used in the calculation you are quoting is 667, 441 mDMG, and 580 MAB. -32 MDB from vido hunir and geo is why you divide by 0.68.
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By llAKs0nll 2022-11-05 14:48:49  
Ramuh.Austar said: »
I didn't use 9200. You're quoting yourself there.

I don't know what your total values are or the INT for Ongo you're using there, so I can't say where you went wrong.

I believe the set I used in the calculation you are quoting is 667, 441 mDMG, and 580 MAB. -32 MDB from vido hunir and geo is why you divide by 0.68.
Curious why we would Multiply M.Dmg • MAB/MDB then / by that same number moving the decimal 1 to the left.

I thought we alrdy calculated the Malaise + Vidohunir into MAB/MDB as is but then we need to do it again?
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By Ramuh.Austar 2022-11-05 14:49:42  
Ragnarok.Siyual said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Against the 425 value of ongo, with -32 MDB and +91 MAB from COR+GEO and +176 INT from BRD+GEO+Food
Code
{'Name': 'Marin Staff +1', 'INT': 47, 'Magic Accuracy': 180, 'MAB': 68, 'Magic Damage': 217}
{'Name': 'Ghastly Tathlum +1', 'MP': 35, 'Magic Damage': 21, 'INT': 11}
{'Name': 'Ea Hat +1', 'MP': 65, 'INT': 43, 'Magic Accuracy': 50, 'MAB': 38, 'MB Damage': 7, 'MB Damage II': 7}
{'Name': 'Wicce Coat +3', 'MP': 132, 'INT': 50, 'Magic Accuracy': 64, 'MAB': 59, 'Magic Damage': 34, 'MB Damage II': 5}
{'Name': "Agwu's Gages", 'MP': 73, 'INT': 33, 'Magic Accuracy': 50, 'MAB': 58, 'Magic Damage': 20, 'MB Damage': 8, 'MB Damage II': 5}
{'Name': 'Wicce Chausses +3', 'MP': 119, 'INT': 53, 'Magic Accuracy': 63, 'MAB': 58, 'Magic Damage': 33, 'MB Damage': 15}
{'Name': 'Wicce Sabots +3', 'MP': 50, 'INT': 36, 'Magic Accuracy': 60, 'MAB': 50, 'Magic Damage': 30, 'Dark Skill': 35}
{'Name': 'Src. Stole +2', 'Magic Accuracy': 30, 'MAB': 7, 'INT': 15, 'MB Damage': 10}
{'Name': 'Regal Earring', 'MP': 20, 'INT': 10, 'MAB': 7}
{'Name': 'Malignance Earring', 'INT': 8, 'Magic Accuracy': 10, 'MAB': 8}
{'Name': 'Metamor. Ring +1', 'INT': 16, 'MP': 60, 'Magic Accuracy': 15}
{'Name': 'Freke Ring', 'INT': 10, 'MAB': 8}
{'Name': "Taranus's Cape", 'MB Damage': 5, 'INT': 30, 'Magic Accuracy': 20, 'Magic Damage': 20, 'MAB': 10}


Comes out to 108097

Code
Top Valid Set:
{'Name': 'Marin Staff +1', 'INT': 47, 'Magic Accuracy': 180, 'MAB': 68, 'Magic Damage': 217}
{'Name': 'Ghastly Tathlum +1', 'MP': 35, 'Magic Damage': 21, 'INT': 11}
{'Name': 'Ea Hat +1', 'MP': 65, 'INT': 43, 'Magic Accuracy': 50, 'MAB': 38, 'MB Damage': 7, 'MB Damage II': 7}
{'Name': 'Wicce Coat +3', 'MP': 132, 'INT': 50, 'Magic Accuracy': 64, 'MAB': 59, 'Magic Damage': 34, 'MB Damage II': 5}
{'Name': "Agwu's Gages", 'MP': 73, 'INT': 33, 'Magic Accuracy': 50, 'MAB': 58, 'Magic Damage': 20, 'MB Damage': 8, 'MB Damage II': 5}
{'Name': 'Ea Slops +1', 'MP': 100, 'INT': 48, 'Magic Accuracy': 51, 'MAB': 41, 'MB Damage': 8, 'MB Damage II': 8}
{'Name': "Agwu's Pigaches", 'MP': 44, 'INT': 30, 'Magic Accuracy': 50, 'MAB': 58, 'Magic Damage': 20, 'MB Damage': 6, 'Drain Potency': 33}
{'Name': 'Src. Stole +2', 'Magic Accuracy': 30, 'MAB': 7, 'INT': 15, 'MB Damage': 10}
{'Name': 'Regal Earring', 'MP': 20, 'INT': 10, 'MAB': 7}
{'Name': 'Malignance Earring', 'INT': 8, 'Magic Accuracy': 10, 'MAB': 8}
{'Name': 'Metamor. Ring +1', 'INT': 16, 'MP': 60, 'Magic Accuracy': 15}
{'Name': 'Freke Ring', 'INT': 10, 'MAB': 8}
{'Name': "Taranus's Cape", 'MB Damage': 5, 'INT': 30, 'Magic Accuracy': 20, 'Magic Damage': 20, 'MAB': 10}


Comes out to 107116


And before some *** goon says something about the feet, my program runs every possible combination to find the highest damage. Taking away wicce+3 legs gives the ea+1 combination. both sets will easily cap on ongo but the wicce option has more m.acc

Hah! That actually makes me feel better it's that close. The Ea Slops +1 set that you found is literally my current MB set, except with Laev. So I can trade that up and get 30m on the side and not feel bad about that lol.

Thanks again!

For this particular scenario, you don't need any Ea on BLM. I took them out of the option list and you can still easily cap damage. These are also without weather as well, so even with just one storm, you have a lot of freedom for gearing.
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{'Name': 'Laevateinn', 'Magic Accuracy': 175, 'MAB': 119, 'Magic Damage': 279, 'INT': 10}
{'Name': 'Ghastly Tathlum +1', 'MP': 35, 'Magic Damage': 21, 'INT': 11}
{'Name': "Agwu's Cap", 'MP': 59, 'INT': 33, 'Magic Accuracy': 50, 'MAB': 58, 'Magic Damage': 33, 'MB Damage': 7}
{'Name': 'Wicce Coat +3', 'MP': 132, 'INT': 50, 'Magic Accuracy': 64, 'MAB': 59, 'Magic Damage': 34, 'MB Damage II': 5}
{'Name': "Agwu's Gages", 'MP': 73, 'INT': 33, 'Magic Accuracy': 50, 'MAB': 58, 'Magic Damage': 20, 'MB Damage': 8, 'MB Damage II': 5}
{'Name': 'Wicce Chausses +3', 'MP': 119, 'INT': 53, 'Magic Accuracy': 63, 'MAB': 58, 'Magic Damage': 33, 'MB Damage': 15}
{'Name': 'Wicce Sabots +3', 'MP': 50, 'INT': 36, 'Magic Accuracy': 60, 'MAB': 50, 'Magic Damage': 30, 'Dark Skill': 35}
{'Name': 'Src. Stole +2', 'Magic Accuracy': 30, 'MAB': 7, 'INT': 15, 'MB Damage': 10}
{'Name': 'Regal Earring', 'MP': 20, 'INT': 10, 'MAB': 7}
{'Name': 'Malignance Earring', 'INT': 8, 'Magic Accuracy': 10, 'MAB': 8}
{'Name': 'Metamor. Ring +1', 'INT': 16, 'MP': 60, 'Magic Accuracy': 15}
{'Name': 'Freke Ring', 'INT': 10, 'MAB': 8}
{'Name': "Taranus's Cape", 'MB Damage': 5, 'INT': 30, 'Magic Accuracy': 20, 'Magic Damage': 20, 'MAB': 10}
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By Ramuh.Austar 2022-11-05 14:51:33  
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
I didn't use 9200. You're quoting yourself there.

I don't know what your total values are or the INT for Ongo you're using there, so I can't say where you went wrong.

I believe the set I used in the calculation you are quoting is 667, 441 mDMG, and 580 MAB. -32 MDB from vido hunir and geo is why you divide by 0.68.
Curious why we would Multiply M.Dmg • MAB/MDB then / by that same number moving the decimal 1 to the left.
Because the set has 580 MAB? 1+580/100 = 6.8
The mob has -32 MDB? (100-32)/100 = 0.68

How many times do you need to see this before you get it?
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By llAKs0nll 2022-11-05 14:52:32  
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For this particular scenario, you don't need any Ea on BLM. I took them out of the option list and you can still easily cap damage. These are also without weather as well, so even with just one storm, you have a lot of freedom for gearing.
Fully explains how someone is capable of t4 MB or Quake2 MB hitting Capped MBD let alone t5 or t6 & Aja.
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By llAKs0nll 2022-11-05 14:54:21  
Ramuh.Austar said: »
llAKs0nll said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
I didn't use 9200. You're quoting yourself there.

I don't know what your total values are or the INT for Ongo you're using there, so I can't say where you went wrong.

I believe the set I used in the calculation you are quoting is 667, 441 mDMG, and 580 MAB. -32 MDB from vido hunir and geo is why you divide by 0.68.
Curious why we would Multiply M.Dmg • MAB/MDB then / by that same number moving the decimal 1 to the left.
Because the set has 580 MAB? 1+580/100 = 6.8
The mob has -32 MDB? (100-32)/100 = 0.68

How many times do you need to see this before you get it?
So you calculated such after the fact not during MAB/MDB equation.

Understood..
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By Ramuh.Austar 2022-11-05 14:56:33  
no, you *** mongoloid

the set you quoted of mine is 580 MAB, the mob has -32 MDB

cMAB = 1 + (caster Magic Attack Bonus ÷ 100)

1+(580/100) = 6.8

tMDB = 1 + (target Magic Defense Bonus ÷ 100)

1+(-32)/100) * 0.68


You are getting different numbers because you are doing different numbers.
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By Ragnarok.Siyual 2022-11-05 14:59:24  
That's awesome! Thanks!

I think the stats might be wrong on Laev, at least for Magic Accuracy. I see it at 205 Magic Accuracy:

+30 Base
+10 Strap
+30 R15
+135 (269 MACC Skill)
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+205 MACC
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By Ramuh.Austar 2022-11-05 15:00:25  
Ragnarok.Siyual said: »
That's awesome! Thanks!

I think the stats might be wrong on Laev, at least for Magic Accuracy. I see it at 205 Magic Accuracy:

+30 Base
+10 Strap
+30 R15
+135 (269 MACC Skill)
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+205 MACC
yeah, augments i have to manually add, i did forget the +30 from the augment
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By Bismarck.Nickeny 2022-11-05 15:30:07  
Getting these vibes from this thread

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Anyway - I've chosen the best time to start pumping up BLM with all this good info being thrown around with some drama to boot

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By Asura.Robear 2022-11-13 04:48:14  
Hi guys,

It's been a while since I have outright geared my blm to what the math tells us is BIS, so I have a few questions I was hoping the community could help with?

I currently only have V15 clears and therefore access to R20 agwu gear. I also only (so far) have access to the +2 black mage empyrean armor. I also only have access to R20 Bunzi's rod. I have all of the other gear discussed in the previous pages.

ItemSet 388241

I was hoping someone could give me some advice given my restricted access to +3 empyrean gear and R25 Bunzi Rod and R25 Agwu armor for MBing on say, Boss E or F in Sortie, and V20 Ongo?

Any tips/advice would be awesome. Totals are given at the bottom. They do not include job points gifts/categories, or merit points.
Master Level 33
Main Bunzi's Rod: +15 INT; +40 macc; +35 Mab; 248 Mdmg; +10 MBB1; R20: +20MAB; +5 Macc)
Sub Ammurapi Shield: +13 INT; +38 MAB; +38 Macc
Ammo Pemphredo tathlum: +4 INT; +4 MAB; +8 Macc
Head Ea +1: +43 INT; +38 MAB; +50 Macc; MBB1+7; MBB2+7
JSE +2 neck: +15 INT; +7 MAB; +30 Macc; +25 MBMacc; +10 MBB1
Regal Earring: +10 INT; +7 MAB
Malignance Earring: +8 INT; +8 MAB; +10 Macc
Ea +1 Body: +48 INT; +44 MAB; +52 Macc; +9 MBB1; +9MBB2
Spaekona's gloves +3: +37 INT; +52 Macc; +44 Mdmg; +21 Ele. skill; + 8 MBB2; +15 Macc set bonus
Freke ring: +10 INT; +8 MAB
Mujin band: +5 MBB2
JSE Cape: +20 INT; +10 MAB; +30 Macc; +20 Mdmg; +5 MBB1
Hachirin-no-obi: when scholar can give double/single weather
Ea +1 Legs: +48 INT; +41 MAB; +51 Macc; +8 MBB1; +8 MBB2
Archmage's Feet: +30 INT; +54 MAB; +42 Macc; + 17 Ele. skill

Totals
Intelligence: 150 (native) + 301 = 451
MAB from gear: 314
Macc from gear: 420 + 127 (from Macc Skill) = 547
Macc on magic bursts: 25 (JSE neck +2)
Mdmg: 312
Elemental Magic Skill: 38
Magic Burst Bonus 1: 49 (9 over cap)
Magic Burst Bonus 2: 37
 
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By Ramuh.Austar 2022-11-13 11:02:24  
Asura.Robear said: »
Hi guys,

It's been a while since I have outright geared my blm to what the math tells us is BIS, so I have a few questions I was hoping the community could help with?

I currently only have V15 clears and therefore access to R20 agwu gear. I also only (so far) have access to the +2 black mage empyrean armor. I also only have access to R20 Bunzi's rod. I have all of the other gear discussed in the previous pages.

ItemSet 388241

I was hoping someone could give me some advice given my restricted access to +3 empyrean gear and R25 Bunzi Rod and R25 Agwu armor for MBing on say, Boss E or F in Sortie, and V20 Ongo?

Any tips/advice would be awesome. Totals are given at the bottom. They do not include job points gifts/categories, or merit points.
Master Level 33
Main Bunzi's Rod: +15 INT; +40 macc; +35 Mab; 248 Mdmg; +10 MBB1; R20: +20MAB; +5 Macc)
Sub Ammurapi Shield: +13 INT; +38 MAB; +38 Macc
Ammo Pemphredo tathlum: +4 INT; +4 MAB; +8 Macc
Head Ea +1: +43 INT; +38 MAB; +50 Macc; MBB1+7; MBB2+7
JSE +2 neck: +15 INT; +7 MAB; +30 Macc; +25 MBMacc; +10 MBB1
Regal Earring: +10 INT; +7 MAB
Malignance Earring: +8 INT; +8 MAB; +10 Macc
Ea +1 Body: +48 INT; +44 MAB; +52 Macc; +9 MBB1; +9MBB2
Spaekona's gloves +3: +37 INT; +52 Macc; +44 Mdmg; +21 Ele. skill; + 8 MBB2; +15 Macc set bonus
Freke ring: +10 INT; +8 MAB
Mujin band: +5 MBB2
JSE Cape: +20 INT; +10 MAB; +30 Macc; +20 Mdmg; +5 MBB1
Hachirin-no-obi: when scholar can give double/single weather
Ea +1 Legs: +48 INT; +41 MAB; +51 Macc; +8 MBB1; +8 MBB2
Archmage's Feet: +30 INT; +54 MAB; +42 Macc; + 17 Ele. skill

Totals
Intelligence: 150 (native) + 301 = 451
MAB from gear: 314
Macc from gear: 420 + 127 (from Macc Skill) = 547
Macc on magic bursts: 25 (JSE neck +2)
Mdmg: 312
Elemental Magic Skill: 38
Magic Burst Bonus 1: 49 (9 over cap)
Magic Burst Bonus 2: 37


This set came out on top when I ran it with all R20 agwu, R20 rod, and +2 empyrean. I did lower your INT as well, since no subjob. I know taru base is 145, so I used 138 base here. The totals at the bottom are with buffs.

ItemSet 388244
Code
Magic Damage:
352
INT:
641
Magic Accuracy:
1258
Magic Atk. Bonus:
551
Magic Burst Damage:
49
Magic Burst Damage II:
86
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By Asura.Otomis 2022-11-13 11:20:58  
How does it look when above is run @ML 30 with staff locked, and +3 Empy? I think this may be more realistic. Empy has been easier to obtain than V20 clears for most. Also the ML lvs past 30 are massive. I think this might be more an average scope of player obtainable gear/ML going into Ongo V20.

Appreciate the efforts.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2022-11-13 11:26:11  
Asura.Otomis said: »
How does it look when above is run @ML 30 with staff locked, and +3 Empy? I think this may be more realistic. Empy has been easier to obtain than V20 clears for most. Also the ML lvs past 30 are massive. I think this might be more an average scope of player obtainable gear/ML going into Ongo V20.

Appreciate the efforts.

Not much different than if Agwu was R25
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Top Valid Set:
{'Name': 'C. Snow Cone', 'MP': 100, 'INT': 5, 'MAB': 13}
{'Name': 'Marin Staff +1', 'INT': 47, 'Magic Accuracy': 293, 'MAB': 68, 'Magic Damage': 217}
{'Name': 'Ghastly Tathlum +1', 'MP': 35, 'Magic Damage': 21, 'INT': 11}
{'Name': 'Ea Hat +1', 'MP': 65, 'INT': 43, 'Magic Accuracy': 50, 'MAB': 38, 'MB Damage': 7, 'MB Damage II': 7}
{'Name': 'Wicce Coat +3', 'MP': 132, 'INT': 50, 'Magic Accuracy': 64, 'MAB': 59, 'Magic Damage': 34, 'MB Damage II': 5}
{'Name': "Agwu's Gages", 'MP': 73, 'INT': 33, 'Magic Accuracy': 45, 'MAB': 55, 'Magic Damage': 20, 'MB Damage': 8, 'MB Damage II': 4}
{'Name': 'Wicce Chausses +3', 'MP': 119, 'INT': 53, 'Magic Accuracy': 63, 'MAB': 58, 'Magic Damage': 33, 'MB Damage': 15}
{'Name': 'Wicce Sabots +3', 'MP': 50, 'INT': 36, 'Magic Accuracy': 60, 'MAB': 50, 'Magic Damage': 30, 'Dark Skill': 35}
{'Name': 'Src. Stole +2', 'Magic Accuracy': 30, 'MAB': 7, 'INT': 15, 'MB Damage': 10}
{'Name': 'Regal Earring', 'MP': 20, 'INT': 10, 'MAB': 7, 'AF Set': 1}
{'Name': 'Malignance Earring', 'INT': 8, 'Magic Accuracy': 10, 'MAB': 8}
{'Name': 'Metamor. Ring +1', 'INT': 16, 'MP': 60, 'Magic Accuracy': 15}
{'Name': 'Freke Ring', 'INT': 10, 'MAB': 8}
{'Name': "Taranus's Cape", 'MB Damage': 5, 'INT': 30, 'Magic Accuracy': 20, 'Magic Damage': 20, 'MAB': 10}

Magic Damage:
418
INT:
676
Magic Accuracy:
1278
Magic Atk. Bonus:
538
Magic Burst Damage:
45
Magic Burst Damage II:
72
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By Siren.Akson 2022-11-13 11:38:23  
Asura.Robear said: »
MBing on say, Boss E or F in Sortie, and V20 Ongo?
Nobody ever mentions such but I highly recommend buying Mpaca Staff for the Accuracy vs High End content then open up vs Sortie &/or Ongo v20 via using Shattersoul w/ 3000tp even if using Bunzi/Kei combo. If you know something more Accurate then just use that. Mpaca Staff was EZ enough to get & find purpose w/ using.

You cannot use TP on BLM anyways for neither Myrkr via having Club equipped nor would I even bother w/ doing Club WS cuz Club WS Debuff pales in comparison to Staff WS advantages.

I have seen many Bunzi/Kei uploads vs Ongo not even thinking of using Shattersoul whatsoever which seriously doesn’t make any sense at all so yeah. Figured I would mention such. You gonna have that 3000tp anyways to begin w/ so might as well use it wisely.

Once I finally realized we LOSE both Myrkr and Shattersoul Debuff via equipping Bunzi/Kei combo I knew immediately I was making myself a Laevateinn asap. Going w/o Mythic on BLM makes everything more Difficult so yeah. Mythic it is.

Now I just Full-Time AM2 easy enough w/ Debuff up more often than not.
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By Asura.Robear 2022-11-13 11:48:13  
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Asura.Robear said: »
Hi guys,

It's been a while since I have outright geared my blm to what the math tells us is BIS, so I have a few questions I was hoping the community could help with?

I currently only have V15 clears and therefore access to R20 agwu gear. I also only (so far) have access to the +2 black mage empyrean armor. I also only have access to R20 Bunzi's rod. I have all of the other gear discussed in the previous pages.

ItemSet 388241

I was hoping someone could give me some advice given my restricted access to +3 empyrean gear and R25 Bunzi Rod and R25 Agwu armor for MBing on say, Boss E or F in Sortie, and V20 Ongo?

Any tips/advice would be awesome. Totals are given at the bottom. They do not include job points gifts/categories, or merit points.
Master Level 33
Main Bunzi's Rod: +15 INT; +40 macc; +35 Mab; 248 Mdmg; +10 MBB1; R20: +20MAB; +5 Macc)
Sub Ammurapi Shield: +13 INT; +38 MAB; +38 Macc
Ammo Pemphredo tathlum: +4 INT; +4 MAB; +8 Macc
Head Ea +1: +43 INT; +38 MAB; +50 Macc; MBB1+7; MBB2+7
JSE +2 neck: +15 INT; +7 MAB; +30 Macc; +25 MBMacc; +10 MBB1
Regal Earring: +10 INT; +7 MAB
Malignance Earring: +8 INT; +8 MAB; +10 Macc
Ea +1 Body: +48 INT; +44 MAB; +52 Macc; +9 MBB1; +9MBB2
Spaekona's gloves +3: +37 INT; +52 Macc; +44 Mdmg; +21 Ele. skill; + 8 MBB2; +15 Macc set bonus
Freke ring: +10 INT; +8 MAB
Mujin band: +5 MBB2
JSE Cape: +20 INT; +10 MAB; +30 Macc; +20 Mdmg; +5 MBB1
Hachirin-no-obi: when scholar can give double/single weather
Ea +1 Legs: +48 INT; +41 MAB; +51 Macc; +8 MBB1; +8 MBB2
Archmage's Feet: +30 INT; +54 MAB; +42 Macc; + 17 Ele. skill

Totals
Intelligence: 150 (native) + 301 = 451
MAB from gear: 314
Macc from gear: 420 + 127 (from Macc Skill) = 547
Macc on magic bursts: 25 (JSE neck +2)
Mdmg: 312
Elemental Magic Skill: 38
Magic Burst Bonus 1: 49 (9 over cap)
Magic Burst Bonus 2: 37


This set came out on top when I ran it with all R20 agwu, R20 rod, and +2 empyrean. I did lower your INT as well, since no subjob. I know taru base is 145, so I used 138 base here. The totals at the bottom are with buffs.

ItemSet 388244
Code
Magic Damage:
352
INT:
641
Magic Accuracy:
1258
Magic Atk. Bonus:
551
Magic Burst Damage:
49
Magic Burst Damage II:
86

Thank you very much! So just to clarify, that set would be considered "bis" given my gear limitations etc. on Ongo? How about Boss E and F (or others) in Sortie?

Thanks again!
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By Ramuh.Austar 2022-11-13 11:49:28  
Asura.Robear said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Asura.Robear said: »
Hi guys,

It's been a while since I have outright geared my blm to what the math tells us is BIS, so I have a few questions I was hoping the community could help with?

I currently only have V15 clears and therefore access to R20 agwu gear. I also only (so far) have access to the +2 black mage empyrean armor. I also only have access to R20 Bunzi's rod. I have all of the other gear discussed in the previous pages.

ItemSet 388241

I was hoping someone could give me some advice given my restricted access to +3 empyrean gear and R25 Bunzi Rod and R25 Agwu armor for MBing on say, Boss E or F in Sortie, and V20 Ongo?

Any tips/advice would be awesome. Totals are given at the bottom. They do not include job points gifts/categories, or merit points.
Master Level 33
Main Bunzi's Rod: +15 INT; +40 macc; +35 Mab; 248 Mdmg; +10 MBB1; R20: +20MAB; +5 Macc)
Sub Ammurapi Shield: +13 INT; +38 MAB; +38 Macc
Ammo Pemphredo tathlum: +4 INT; +4 MAB; +8 Macc
Head Ea +1: +43 INT; +38 MAB; +50 Macc; MBB1+7; MBB2+7
JSE +2 neck: +15 INT; +7 MAB; +30 Macc; +25 MBMacc; +10 MBB1
Regal Earring: +10 INT; +7 MAB
Malignance Earring: +8 INT; +8 MAB; +10 Macc
Ea +1 Body: +48 INT; +44 MAB; +52 Macc; +9 MBB1; +9MBB2
Spaekona's gloves +3: +37 INT; +52 Macc; +44 Mdmg; +21 Ele. skill; + 8 MBB2; +15 Macc set bonus
Freke ring: +10 INT; +8 MAB
Mujin band: +5 MBB2
JSE Cape: +20 INT; +10 MAB; +30 Macc; +20 Mdmg; +5 MBB1
Hachirin-no-obi: when scholar can give double/single weather
Ea +1 Legs: +48 INT; +41 MAB; +51 Macc; +8 MBB1; +8 MBB2
Archmage's Feet: +30 INT; +54 MAB; +42 Macc; + 17 Ele. skill

Totals
Intelligence: 150 (native) + 301 = 451
MAB from gear: 314
Macc from gear: 420 + 127 (from Macc Skill) = 547
Macc on magic bursts: 25 (JSE neck +2)
Mdmg: 312
Elemental Magic Skill: 38
Magic Burst Bonus 1: 49 (9 over cap)
Magic Burst Bonus 2: 37


This set came out on top when I ran it with all R20 agwu, R20 rod, and +2 empyrean. I did lower your INT as well, since no subjob. I know taru base is 145, so I used 138 base here. The totals at the bottom are with buffs.

ItemSet 388244
Code
Magic Damage:
352
INT:
641
Magic Accuracy:
1258
Magic Atk. Bonus:
551
Magic Burst Damage:
49
Magic Burst Damage II:
86

Thank you very much! So that set would be considered "bis" given my gear limitations etc. on Ongo? or only Boss E and F in Sortie? Or all situations in end game?

Thanks again!
I just checked against V20 Ongo, sortie bosses have different resistance ranks and higher m.acc requirements.
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