The Black Sacrament -- A Guide To Black Mage

I would also second that and question what and how did you test your +2 neck vs quanpur.

Edit: Based off Austar's numbers below I'm going to rescind this statement.

+2 neck wins

Idk about this.

Thats set is around 480INT without neck and he was calculating against 425INT Ongo.

That means Delta is between Dint50 and Dint100, so its INTx6 to base damage.

Stone VI at this delta in this gear is around 1675

15INT x 6 = 90 base damage
1765/1675 = 1.0537 so ~5.37% increase in damage
5% affinity is 5%, so INT would win.

On something weaker or Ongo debuffed with -INT (burn, Impact) Stole+2 would start to lose slightly at higher dINT.

EDIT: Austar was faster and I probably forgot some mdmg from gift or something, but conclusion is almost the same. Nvm I haven't forgotten I just havent added all that dINT, just looked at difference.

How do you know the enemies int and mdb

If you guys are just using made up numbers can’t I tweak the mdb and int of the mob to favor affinity.

People have tested them. V20 Ongo is generally the target of choice when trying to gear for high end enemies since it's got the highest magic DPS check, and it's got 100 MDB and 425 INT.

Well damn. Maybe he's right? Against ongo specifically sorcerer's stole +2 might beat quanpur necklace. In most scenarios where mobs are weaker quanpur is better, but ongo has such a high INT value that the 15 INT on our JSE neck might actually be enough here.

With that said, with burn, impact, etude, all the geo buffs/debuff then quanpur comes out ahead?

Where did you get the 425 INT and 100MDB? is that something you scan the files stored on the computer?

Was confirmed with nuke testing, magic is really easy to figure out stats because it's there aren't any random values involved. And always treat Ongo as not having those other things because when they do land, they don't stay on long and your way to busy bursting non-stop to be reapplying them constantly.

What buffs were you assuming in your simulation? Most groups go in there with soul voice INT etudes x2.

The empyrean feet is also surprising, but if you're ignoring INT etudes, then they start to make more sense to me.

Our BLM use elemental seal with crep cloak and impact last about 2-3min so that's more than negligible. This was back when ML30 and no empyrean +3.

The thing about INT etudes is that if you get bumped up into the next dINT tier then each point of INT has a larger impact on the base spell damage, especially on tier 5 and 6 spells. I think the result stays the same.

Impact / Burn make a massive impact on Ongo's INT, but will only last 50% duration at best. I open the fight with ES MW Impact, which is a solid damage boost for ~90s. If I get ES and MW back with a random deal, then I'll reapply it, and OFC after WC. Bard songs is Victory + Ettude x 2 + Ballad x 2, need to make sure they know to Marcato Victory during resing if they didn't get SV back or your recasts gonna suffer.

GEO should have INT + Acumen, switching to Focus if you get unlucky with macc down aura.


Bonus per-INT goes down with each tier, like for Stone VI is goes 7 -> 6 -> 5 -> 4 -> 3 MDMG and so forth. At some theoretical point a 5% bonus in the neck might be more then the INT, but I'd take the +55 MACC anyway.

Did you see Auster's results?

14238.18 * (1 + 113/100) = 30327.3234
14064.8265 * (1+113/100) = 29958.08045

the disparity is so small, bumping up the dINT might give quanpur the upper hand?

Got to put into context of brd geo run cor sch buff and debuffs cause no one nukes Ongo without others involved

If you have every one of these buffs and impact, then yes, the quanpar would come out ahead but not by much.

I still keep the neck because I like the +55 MACC.

The empyrean feet were also surprising to me - were you not accounting for SV INT etudes originally?

No BLM MBs without others to buff/debuff. Could have avoided this long thread but learned something still. Quanpur only gets better as we horizontally progress and get stronger. It's a niche neckpiece but of course the +2 neck has more utility.

The empyrean feet and R25 agwu's are both very comparable, and depending on buffs, spell tier, and target the verdict can go either way. The same is true of agwu's hat versus ea hat +1. There isn't a lot of variance no matter how you slice it. If you had R25 agwu's and wanted to sell off ea +1 now to invest the funds elsewhere you wouldn't be missing out on much, if anything at all. Empyrean body +3 and legs +3 are just that powerful. They actually do beat ea +1 by enough to make them the ideal choice. It took about three quarters of a decade, but we finally have pieces that can replace ea +1.



also this. If quanpur is that close to stole +2 even when it's ahead, then I'd probably just opt for stole because that magic accuracy bonus is hefty and magic accuracy is always relevant. Especially on Ongo.

You supposedly are comparing Strictly the Numbers of Quanpur vs JSE+2 Neck which shouldnt be even giving you any MAB difference whatsoever since Both are MAB+7 and only negative -15 INT using Quanpur over JSE+2

Your Math is placing random numbers vs random numbers but certainly NOT comparing Magic Damage of using Quanpur vs JSE+2 neck

You cannot drop from 502 INT down to 481 INT via swapping 1 piece vs the other which is a 21 INT diff while swapping to Quanpur from JSE+2 is only a -15 INT Diff

You cannot even lose any MAB via swapping 1 neck vs the other....
Yet you showing 1 having 8 less MAB when both items have MAB+7

I didn't swap just one piece, I swapped two. Using the quanpur neck makes agwu feet better than wicce +3

Thats not a direct comparison which makes your claims of JSE+2 beating Quanpur null and void

Comparing JSE+2 vs Quanpur demands swapping strictly those two pieces otherwise now you also comparing Agwu MAB+58 vs Wicce MAB+50 not to mention the whole INT differential

Under no circumstances using SAME exact GEAR does JSE+2 ever LOSE to Quanpur

for one you don't seem to even understand the formula, so don't really care what you think

and why would i only compare one piece to another without making the sets the best for each?

In FACT I FIXED the Formula since the Formula was suggesting that NOBODY could possibly hit Capped MBD vs Ongo v15 yet Yuu did such repeatedly nonstop..... yet I jus dun understand?

Try again

Compare Quanpur vs JSE+2 not 2 items vs 2 other items....

no, you just don't understand it.

why

E=mc2

Random Numbers game I know. Quanpur always beats JSE+2

Throwing out random digits doesnt seriously change that Fact

okay retard

Fix your Math Calculations. They aint actually adding up to what we experience in Game. That's a Problem. Wouldnt ya say?