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By eliroo 2016-10-18 16:19:35  
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Syria wasn't in civil war.

The civil war in Syria was definitely needed though. Keep in mind we funded the rebels(along with France). The rebels are also fighting the good fight, in my opinion.

I don't think there would be anything Bush, Obama, Clinton or Trump could do to stop the war in Syria.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-10-18 16:19:58  
Some of you guys need to learn who Patrick Kennedy is and how long he's worked in foreign affairs.

Some of you need to learn what the FBI's role is in classifying and declassifying documents.

Some of you need to stop presuming that because you don't understand how these things work that others don't as well.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-10-18 16:20:10  
eliroo said: »
its like the cold war all over again.
Actually it is.
NATO sent troops all over eastern EU border; Russia placed missile defense systems among the baltics; USA uses at every chance they get Russia as a scarecrow; Russia does equal propaganda against USA on the other side; both are causing countries around the world to pick sides.

And Biden's threat of cyberwar was such a dumb thing...

Neither side is taking steps to de-escalate and that's really worrysome with Hillary Clinton coming to power.
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By eliroo 2016-10-18 16:27:29  
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Some of you need to stop presuming that because you don't understand how these things work that others don't as well.

I personally don't think you know either. We are all really just speculating.

Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Some of you guys need to learn who Patrick Kennedy is and how long he's worked in foreign affairs.


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Some of you need to learn what the FBI's role is in classifying and declassifying documents.

So the FBI only declassifies info if they are bribed first? Or are you going to completely ignore the situation revolving around this whole thing?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-10-18 16:27:45  
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I just know that the Russians and Wikileaks are working together to try to influence the election
And you accuse others of conspiracy?

You tell the tallest one yet!

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given how Putin knows if Clinton takes office his dreams of further expansion are dead
Please, Putin knows that Clinton is like Obama; weak and worthless.

Remember boys and girls, when Bush left office, Crimea was still a sovereign state, and Syria wasn't in civil war. Obama could have done more to prevent such things, but he ran out of red paint to draw in the sand.

Clinton wouldn't do a damn thing against Putin, and will just be as weak as Obama in foreign affairs.

Sure kid. Your foreign policy anaylsis has always been partisan and pathetic.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-10-18 16:29:05  
And in the meantime we have videos coming out that show multiple Democrat operatives admitting to provoking violence and now voter fraud as well. The first video has nearly 3 million views in one day, and at least one of the operatives has been fired as a result... but nobody in the MSM is covering it. I guess voter fraud isn't worth mentioning, but locker room talk deserves weeks of discussion.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-10-18 16:30:29  
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Sure kid. Your foreign policy anaylsis has always been partisan and pathetic.

Partisan and pathetic analysis.... Isn't that your shtick?
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-10-18 16:33:46  
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Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Some of you guys need to learn who Patrick Kennedy is and how long he's worked in foreign affairs.

Some of you need to learn what the FBI's role is in classifying and declassifying documents.

Some of you need to stop presuming that because you don't understand how these things work that others don't as well.
Some of you need to try slicing bananas onto your cheerios in the morning. It really is tasty.

Sliced Strawberries or Raspberries are also acceptable options.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-10-18 16:35:47  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Sure kid. Your foreign policy anaylsis has always been partisan and pathetic.

Partisan and pathetic analysis.... Isn't that your shtick?
I'm just trying to understand here, but does this mean you're defending that terrible post of kn? Cause that's some really poor understanding of geopolitics.
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By eliroo 2016-10-18 16:36:39  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
eliroo said: »
its like the cold war all over again.
Actually it is.
NATO sent troops all over eastern EU border; Russia placed missile defense systems among the baltics; USA uses at every chance they get Russia as a scarecrow; Russia does equal propaganda against USA on the other side; both are causing countries around the world to pick sides.

And Biden's threat of cyberwar was such a dumb thing...

Neither side is taking steps to de-escalate and that's really worrysome with Hillary Clinton coming to power.

I read that some believe the Syrian War is also just a proxy war, which is scary to begin with.



Bahamut.Ravael said: »
but locker room talk deserves weeks of discussion.

Calling it locker room talk is pretty BS. I have been in plenty of locker rooms and have never heard anyone admitting to groping females.

Also the guy making these videos already has bad reputation of editing videos to prove his point ( I mean what MSM doesn't have the same rep though)
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-10-18 16:38:34  
I do think it's proxy war too.
Let's not pretend like either side gives a ***about the poor syrians.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-10-18 16:38:46  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Sure kid. Your foreign policy anaylsis has always been partisan and pathetic.

Partisan and pathetic analysis.... Isn't that your shtick?
I'm just trying to understand here, but does this mean you're defending that terrible post of kn? Cause that's some really poor understanding of geopolitics.

Which part? The part about Obama being weak? That's a fairly common appraisal....
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-10-18 16:41:17  
eliroo said: »
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Hundreds of European politicians have received solicitations from the Trump campaign. This is not an isolated incident.
And some Internet troll can't put all their emails on the list?
Eric Trump is an internet troll? OK, I can buy that.
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By eliroo 2016-10-18 16:41:59  
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: »
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Some of you guys need to learn who Patrick Kennedy is and how long he's worked in foreign affairs.

Some of you need to learn what the FBI's role is in classifying and declassifying documents.

Some of you need to stop presuming that because you don't understand how these things work that others don't as well.
Some of you need to try slicing bananas onto your cheerios in the morning. It really is tasty.

Sliced Strawberries or Raspberries are also acceptable options.

I just started a diet today and I am absolutely starving right now. I hate both of you right now.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-10-18 16:42:33  
eliroo said: »
Also the guy making these videos already has bad reputation of editing videos to prove his point ( I mean what MSM doesn't have the same rep though)

That's a cop out. Full, unedited quotes are present in these videos that leave little room for interpretation. People who are saying this haven't even looked into it and won't because they are afraid of what's there.
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By eliroo 2016-10-18 16:44:54  
Garuda.Chanti said: »
eliroo said: »
Garuda.Chanti said: »
Hundreds of European politicians have received solicitations from the Trump campaign. This is not an isolated incident.
And some Internet troll can't put all their emails on the list?
Eric Trump is an internet troll? OK, I can buy that.

You do realize how mailing lists work right?


Bahamut.Ravael said: »
That's a cop out. Full, unedited quotes are present in these videos that leave little room for interpretation. People who are saying this haven't even looked into it and won't because they are afraid of what's there.

I'm just telling you why people are dismissing it.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-10-18 16:49:00  
eliroo said: »
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I think if anything, we are saying that it should be investigated. There is a chance it could be collusion between the state department and some other entity that we do not know of....
The Republicans have spent over 500 million of the taxpayer's dollars over the last 25 years investigating the Clintons. At this point in the election cycle its a bit late to round it up to 1 billion.
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By eliroo 2016-10-18 16:50:11  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I do think it's proxy war too.
Let's not pretend like either side gives a ***about the poor syrians.

Honestly the more I read about the war, my stance on the refugees change.

I think we are obligated to accept refugees simply because of how big our roles in this conflict.

The vetting process should definitely be thorough though.
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By eliroo 2016-10-18 16:52:08  
Garuda.Chanti said: »
eliroo said: »
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I think if anything, we are saying that it should be investigated. There is a chance it could be collusion between the state department and some other entity that we do not know of....
The Republicans have spent over 500 million of the taxpayer's dollars over the last 25 years investigating the Clintons. At this point in the election cycle its a bit late to round it up to 1 billion.

I wonder how much of our tax dollars went to protecting the Clintons.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-10-18 16:52:42  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Sure kid. Your foreign policy anaylsis has always been partisan and pathetic.

Partisan and pathetic analysis.... Isn't that your shtick?
I'm just trying to understand here, but does this mean you're defending that terrible post of kn? Cause that's some really poor understanding of geopolitics.

Which part? The part about Obama being weak? That's a fairly common appraisal....

For partisans.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-10-18 17:01:02  
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Sure kid. Your foreign policy anaylsis has always been partisan and pathetic.

Partisan and pathetic analysis.... Isn't that your shtick?
I'm just trying to understand here, but does this mean you're defending that terrible post of kn? Cause that's some really poor understanding of geopolitics.

Which part? The part about Obama being weak? That's a fairly common appraisal....

For partisans.

Yeah. Partisans like generals and world leaders. Also, a Democrat shill has no business calling other people partisans.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-10-18 17:03:24  
eliroo said: »
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Why are we also blaming Russia for everything, its like the cold war all over again.
Georgia, Oct 2006, April 2008, August 2008
Claiming the Arctic sea July 2007
Withdrawing from the European conventional arms treaty November 2007
Ukraine February 2014*
MH-17 June 2014*
Syria September 2015*
Not a complete list.

*not particularly cold.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-10-18 17:05:24  
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Remember boys and girls, when Bush left office, Crimea was still a sovereign state part of the Ukraine, and Syria wasn't in civil war....
Fixed
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-10-18 17:07:20  
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shill

Seen this word 100000 times now and I'm starting to hate it lol


Anyone else?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-10-18 17:08:07  
Way too many stupid buzzwords thrown around here in general.
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By Valefor.Rawry 2016-10-18 17:08:25  
Especially when CJ rolls around.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-10-18 17:09:07  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Yeah. Partisans like generals and world leaders. Also, a Democrat shill has no business calling other people partisans.

Lawl, maybe you should go compile that list of "generals and world leaders" and see how credible they are. This is like Trump citing the small amount of retired Navy admirals that have endorsed him to justify his "qualifications."
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-10-18 17:16:26  
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
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Yeah. Partisans like generals and world leaders. Also, a Democrat shill has no business calling other people partisans.

Lawl, maybe you should go compile that list of "generals and world leaders" and see how credible they are. This is like Trump citing the small amount of retired Navy admirals that have endorsed him to justify his "qualifications."
Everyone and anyone who leads another nation can walk all over Obama anyday.

Hell, even Valls have walked all over him, and he is French!
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