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Hillary Clinton 2016 Presidential Thread
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-31 17:47:37
In even more Clinton Corruption News:
Millions From Maxed-Out Clinton Donors Flowed Through Loophole
Quote: When the Democratic National Committee announced its $32 million fundraising haul last month, it touted the result as evidence of “energy and excitement” for Hillary Clinton’s nomination for the White House and other races down the ballot. The influx of money, however, also owes in part to an unprecedented workaround of political spending limits that lets the party tap into millions of dollars more from Clinton’s wealthiest donors.
At least $7.3 million of the DNC’s July total originated with payments from hundreds of major donors who had already contributed the maximum $33,400 to the national committee, a review of Federal Election Commission filings shows. The contributions, many of which were made months earlier, were first bundled by the Hillary Victory Fund and then transferred to the state Democratic parties, which effectively stripped the donors’ names and sent the money to the DNC as a lump sum.
Of the transfers that state parties made to the DNC for which donor information was available, an overwhelming proportion came from contributions from maxed-out donors:
On average, 83 percent of the money that was sent from the state committees to the DNC in July originated with a donor who had already given the maximum $33,400 to the national party.
The Hillary Victory Fund was formed almost a year ago to combine the fundraising power of Clinton’s campaign and 33 state Democratic parties. Campaign finance watchdogs have questioned whether the arrangement is proper, and news reports have shown that the state parties have been paying most of the money they receive back to the national party.
The committees haven’t been accused of any wrongdoing, and election lawyers say the practice doesn’t appear to violate campaign finance law. It’s unclear whether the donors are aware of the transfers.
“I’m not aware of any case law or regulations that would prohibit a state party from transferring to a national party committee funds raised through a joint fundraising committee,” Robert Kelner, an election law expert at Covington & Burling said. “But as a practical matter, it does appear that the DNC may be using Hillary Victory Fund as a mechanism for allowing donors to give more to the DNC indirectly than would otherwise be permitted directly.”
Josh Schwerin, a spokesman for the campaign, said in an e-mail that “Hillary Clinton has fought for campaign finance reform her entire career and, as President, will make it a priority to overturn Citizens United and restore the role of everyday voters in elections.”
“These funds help strengthen our Democratic Party infrastructure in critical areas such as data, analytics, research and communications,” DNC spokesman Mark Paustenbach said about the transfers to the DNC, “and these improvements help each and every state party as well as candidates up and down the ballot.”
The Hillary Victory Fund has raised $141.5 million since its inception by soliciting large amounts of money -- up to $366,400 from the biggest donors -- which it then parcels out in appropriate increments to the Clinton campaign (maximum $2,700), the DNC (maximum $33,400) and a variety of state parties (each with a limit of $10,000).
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Sussman’s original contribution to Hillary Victory Fund has been similarly allocated to at least 10 other states, and each time has been passed on to the DNC on the same day. That makes his total effective contribution to the DNC about $133,400. (Sussman is Clinton’s biggest donor this election, having given more than $11 million to support her bid, mainly through super-PACs.)
And the handling of Sussman’s donation isn’t unique. Overall in 2016, funds from 410 maxed-out donors have been routed to the DNC through state parties, totaling $9.3 million. The fund has transferred $220,000 of contributions from media mogul Haim Saban and his wife Cheryl to the DNC via state parties, the same amount from billionaires J.B. and Mary Pritzker, and $110,000 from Chicago publishing tycoon Fred Eychaner. All are among the top ten donors supporting Clinton.
The Pritzkers declined to comment. Sussman, the Sabans and Eychaner didn’t respond to requests for comment.
There’s no sign that the Republicans are following the same strategy. Donald Trump’s joint fundraising committee has yet to transfer any money to the 11 state Republican parties that are part of the arrangement.
While election law limits how much an individual can give to any one party, the state and national committees are allowed to transfer unlimited amounts between one another. That ability, together with a 2014 Supreme Court decision that eliminated an aggregate limit on how much a person could give to all parties, opens the door for sophisticated fundraising operations to in effect get around donation limits.
Generally, the Hillary Victory Fund has been transferring money to states that don’t have tight races that are unlikely to attract the attention of major donors: Wyoming, Indiana, Massachusetts and West Virginia. By channeling that money back to the national party, the DNC can freely direct how and where to spend the money, including in battleground states like Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Florida, Nevada and Ohio.
The amount of money from maxed-out donors could be higher. Four state parties that received $2.8 million in transfers from the Hillary Victory Fund in July didn’t disclose the names of the donors who were the source of the funds, as FEC regulations require. In each case, the identical amount of incoming money was sent to the DNC the same day it was received.
Parties and politicians have long used transfers to get around limits on political spending. Before the 2002 McCain-Feingold Campaign Reform Act, national parties would shuffle big corporate donations to their states affiliates that weren’t restricted on how they could use soft money. In exchange, the states would send back hard dollars -- contributions from individuals that didn’t exceed FEC limits -- that they could use however they saw fit.
Lawrence Noble, general counsel of the money-in-politics watchdog Campaign Legal Center, said that while money has always changed hands between state and national party committees, the practice has taken off this election.
“The amounts of money are unprecedented,” Noble said of the Hillary Victory Fund’s transfers to states and on to the DNC. “It’s a way to get around the contribution limits; it’s a major loophole in the law.”
So, Clinton and her campaign skirts the law (or in this case, effectively breaks it yet again), and nobody is willing to prosecute her.
Yet another pass by the Justice Department, who's sole mission right now is to investigate any dealings that Trump may or may not have had in the past regarding Russia, because private dealings is now considered illegal to them.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-08-31 18:33:29
Quote: The committees haven’t been accused of any wrongdoing, and election lawyers say the practice doesn’t appear to violate campaign finance law. It’s unclear whether the donors are aware of the transfers.
“I’m not aware of any case law or regulations that would prohibit a state party from transferring to a national party committee funds raised through a joint fundraising committee,” Robert Kelner, an election law expert at Covington & Burling said. Quote: While election law limits how much an individual can give to any one party, the state and national committees are allowed to transfer unlimited amounts between one another. yawn
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-08-31 19:56:40
In even more Clinton Corruption News:
Millions From Maxed-Out Clinton Donors Flowed Through Loophole
Quote: When the Democratic National Committee announced its $32 million fundraising haul last month, it touted the result as evidence of “energy and excitement” for Hillary Clinton’s nomination for the White House and other races down the ballot. The influx of money, however, also owes in part to an unprecedented workaround of political spending limits that lets the party tap into millions of dollars more from Clinton’s wealthiest donors.
At least $7.3 million of the DNC’s July total originated with payments from hundreds of major donors who had already contributed the maximum $33,400 to the national committee, a review of Federal Election Commission filings shows. The contributions, many of which were made months earlier, were first bundled by the Hillary Victory Fund and then transferred to the state Democratic parties, which effectively stripped the donors’ names and sent the money to the DNC as a lump sum.
Of the transfers that state parties made to the DNC for which donor information was available, an overwhelming proportion came from contributions from maxed-out donors:
On average, 83 percent of the money that was sent from the state committees to the DNC in July originated with a donor who had already given the maximum $33,400 to the national party.
The Hillary Victory Fund was formed almost a year ago to combine the fundraising power of Clinton’s campaign and 33 state Democratic parties. Campaign finance watchdogs have questioned whether the arrangement is proper, and news reports have shown that the state parties have been paying most of the money they receive back to the national party.
The committees haven’t been accused of any wrongdoing, and election lawyers say the practice doesn’t appear to violate campaign finance law. It’s unclear whether the donors are aware of the transfers.
“I’m not aware of any case law or regulations that would prohibit a state party from transferring to a national party committee funds raised through a joint fundraising committee,” Robert Kelner, an election law expert at Covington & Burling said. “But as a practical matter, it does appear that the DNC may be using Hillary Victory Fund as a mechanism for allowing donors to give more to the DNC indirectly than would otherwise be permitted directly.”
Josh Schwerin, a spokesman for the campaign, said in an e-mail that “Hillary Clinton has fought for campaign finance reform her entire career and, as President, will make it a priority to overturn Citizens United and restore the role of everyday voters in elections.”
“These funds help strengthen our Democratic Party infrastructure in critical areas such as data, analytics, research and communications,” DNC spokesman Mark Paustenbach said about the transfers to the DNC, “and these improvements help each and every state party as well as candidates up and down the ballot.”
The Hillary Victory Fund has raised $141.5 million since its inception by soliciting large amounts of money -- up to $366,400 from the biggest donors -- which it then parcels out in appropriate increments to the Clinton campaign (maximum $2,700), the DNC (maximum $33,400) and a variety of state parties (each with a limit of $10,000).
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Sussman’s original contribution to Hillary Victory Fund has been similarly allocated to at least 10 other states, and each time has been passed on to the DNC on the same day. That makes his total effective contribution to the DNC about $133,400. (Sussman is Clinton’s biggest donor this election, having given more than $11 million to support her bid, mainly through super-PACs.)
And the handling of Sussman’s donation isn’t unique. Overall in 2016, funds from 410 maxed-out donors have been routed to the DNC through state parties, totaling $9.3 million. The fund has transferred $220,000 of contributions from media mogul Haim Saban and his wife Cheryl to the DNC via state parties, the same amount from billionaires J.B. and Mary Pritzker, and $110,000 from Chicago publishing tycoon Fred Eychaner. All are among the top ten donors supporting Clinton.
The Pritzkers declined to comment. Sussman, the Sabans and Eychaner didn’t respond to requests for comment.
There’s no sign that the Republicans are following the same strategy. Donald Trump’s joint fundraising committee has yet to transfer any money to the 11 state Republican parties that are part of the arrangement.
While election law limits how much an individual can give to any one party, the state and national committees are allowed to transfer unlimited amounts between one another. That ability, together with a 2014 Supreme Court decision that eliminated an aggregate limit on how much a person could give to all parties, opens the door for sophisticated fundraising operations to in effect get around donation limits.
Generally, the Hillary Victory Fund has been transferring money to states that don’t have tight races that are unlikely to attract the attention of major donors: Wyoming, Indiana, Massachusetts and West Virginia. By channeling that money back to the national party, the DNC can freely direct how and where to spend the money, including in battleground states like Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Florida, Nevada and Ohio.
The amount of money from maxed-out donors could be higher. Four state parties that received $2.8 million in transfers from the Hillary Victory Fund in July didn’t disclose the names of the donors who were the source of the funds, as FEC regulations require. In each case, the identical amount of incoming money was sent to the DNC the same day it was received.
Parties and politicians have long used transfers to get around limits on political spending. Before the 2002 McCain-Feingold Campaign Reform Act, national parties would shuffle big corporate donations to their states affiliates that weren’t restricted on how they could use soft money. In exchange, the states would send back hard dollars -- contributions from individuals that didn’t exceed FEC limits -- that they could use however they saw fit.
Lawrence Noble, general counsel of the money-in-politics watchdog Campaign Legal Center, said that while money has always changed hands between state and national party committees, the practice has taken off this election.
“The amounts of money are unprecedented,” Noble said of the Hillary Victory Fund’s transfers to states and on to the DNC. “It’s a way to get around the contribution limits; it’s a major loophole in the law.” So, Clinton and her campaign skirts the law (or in this case, effectively breaks it yet again), and nobody is willing to prosecute her.
Yet another pass by the Justice Department, who's sole mission right now is to investigate any dealings that Trump may or may not have had in the past regarding Russia, because private dealings is now considered illegal to them. King, I agree that this kind of **** should be illegal. But it isn't. So quityour*****ing.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-31 20:01:08
King, I agree that this kind of **** should be illegal. But it isn't. So quityour*****ing. We already agreed that money should be taken out of campaigns, but that's not the point.
The point is, the DNC is skirting the law (if not outright breaking it, no matter what Pleebo says) just to try to get their horse elected.
I mean, the corruption in that party is staggering!
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-08-31 20:04:36
Ok so you post an article that goes out of its way to point out that no crime is being committed and no one has a problem with it, but because you don't like it, its corruption! I guess at this point we are all supposed to laugh at you.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-08-31 20:57:15
King, I agree that this kind of **** should be illegal. But it isn't. So quityour*****ing. We already agreed that money should be taken out of campaigns, but that's not the point.
The point is, the DNC is skirting the law (if not outright breaking it, no matter what Pleebo says) just to try to get their horse elected.
I mean, the corruption in that party is staggering! I didn't say it. It's a quote from the article. It's basically a game to point out how your own links directly contradict your interpretation of them.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-08-31 21:09:59
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ps- i was for trump in about july, but now idk- maybe i'll just do what i do every year and not vote -.- Voting third party >>>> not voting.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-08-31 21:15:45
King, I agree that this kind of **** should be illegal. But it isn't. So quityour*****ing. We already agreed that money should be taken out of campaigns, but that's not the point.
The point is, the DNC is skirting the law (if not outright breaking it, no matter what Pleebo says) just to try to get their horse elected.
I mean, the corruption in that party is staggering! King, its legal. Not only that but both parties do it. It is not corrupt. To you and I it gives the appearance of corruption, BUT NOT TO THE COURTS. Darnit.
So, like campaign contributions or dark money, it is legal and not legally corrupt.
And, as both parties do it, good luck in getting it outlawed.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-09-01 06:44:23
If only he could learn to read...
/single tear
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-09-01 07:00:18
I suspwct your grandaddy used to toss you up into the air a lot...
If only he had learned how to catch....
also FU hillary. Stay the *** out of ohio. The traffic here is bad enough already you ***!
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-09-01 07:01:43
Suspect* Thanks a bundle Rooks...you ***
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-09-01 07:19:09
Great story bro....
any chance he had anything to do with HILLARY CLINTON ......or ***?
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By Ramyrez 2016-09-01 07:20:03
also FU hillary. Stay the *** out of ohio. The traffic here is bad enough already you ***!
Don't worry. From what I understand she didn't cause too big of a crowd in Pittsburgh.
So much so that a friend who at least supports her (in theory; she was a Bernie supporter) actually accidentally came within feet of her in her normal course of daily business (she works at a restaurant down in/around Market Square.)
By Ramyrez 2016-09-01 07:21:12
Gramps used to tell me "if you don't vote at all, you have no right to complain about the government". Because of that, I do vote, almost every time there's an election.
A different perspective, just for thorough examination of the issue.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-09-01 07:26:39
also FU hillary. Stay the *** out of ohio. The traffic here is bad enough already you ***!
Don't worry. From what I understand she didn't cause too big of a crowd in Pittsburgh.
So much so that a friend who at least supports her (in theory; she was a Bernie supporter) actually accidentally came within feet of her in her normal course of daily business (she works at a restaurant down in/around Market Square.)
She couldn't fill a living room with real supporters...
but she can sure *** up the traffic when they shut down the highway when she drives by.
***!
By Ramyrez 2016-09-01 07:56:21
also FU hillary. Stay the *** out of ohio. The traffic here is bad enough already you ***!
Don't worry. From what I understand she didn't cause too big of a crowd in Pittsburgh.
So much so that a friend who at least supports her (in theory; she was a Bernie supporter) actually accidentally came within feet of her in her normal course of daily business (she works at a restaurant down in/around Market Square.)
She couldn't fill a living room with real supporters...
but she can sure *** up the traffic when they shut down the highway when she drives by.
***!
Yeah...but that's just daily hate for me.
I feel the same way about people who get in accidents and the power company guys trimming trees. Somewhere in the back of my mind I know it's probably unkind to be mad at them, but all I really know for sure is that they're between me and home and causing a delay in our reunion.
By Ramyrez 2016-09-01 08:11:04
Usually if it's the power companies cutting trees, there's good reason for it. Around here, usually that reason is branches overhanging power lines or trees in danger of falling on the lines or poles. Literally, they're doing what they can now in hopes of avoiding problems later.
Yes. And people in accidents generally very much don't want to have been in them.
Road work also needs to be done.
Doesn't stop me from mother-*** every construction crew I come across who narrows the interstate down to one lane and a 5 MPH.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-09-01 08:27:38
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-09-01 08:32:57
King, I agree that this kind of **** should be illegal. But it isn't. So quityour*****ing. We already agreed that money should be taken out of campaigns, but that's not the point.
The point is, the DNC is skirting the law (if not outright breaking it, no matter what Pleebo says) just to try to get their horse elected.
I mean, the corruption in that party is staggering! King, its legal. Not only that but both parties do it. It is not corrupt. To you and I it gives the appearance of corruption, BUT NOT TO THE COURTS. Darnit.
So, like campaign contributions or dark money, it is legal and not legally corrupt.
And, as both parties do it, good luck in getting it outlawed. It is flagrant bypass. And if the RNC does it, how come the media isn't going after them? You honestly think they will bypass a chance to legitimately attack Trump on even the smallest issue? Remember, this is a group of people who will make ***up against Trump for anything and everything.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-09-01 08:46:33
just reread the article for christsakes man...
"Everything which is not forbidden is allowed"
By fonewear 2016-09-01 09:08:05
Every time Hillary my state I feel like this:
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By fonewear 2016-09-01 09:11:00
maybe this person can change king's mind..
ps- i was for trump in about july, but now idk- maybe i'll just do what i do every year and not vote -.-
This hair style caused the depletion in the ozone layer !
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-09-01 09:16:07
Every time Hillary my state I feel like this:
doesn't she live there foney?
you may want to check webmd...it's probably cancer
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-09-01 09:16:58
So, are you saying that article trumps federal law?
Federal law pertaining campaigns
page 60 said: § 30116. Limitations, contributions, and expenditures
(a) Dollar limits on contributions.
(1) Except as provided in subsection (i) and section
30117 of this title, no person shall make contributions—
(A) to any candidate and his authorized political
committees with respect to any election for Federal office
which, in the aggregate, exceed $2,000;
(B) to the political committees established and
maintained by a national political party, which are not the
authorized political committees of any candidate, in any
calendar year which, in the aggregate, exceed $25,000, or,
in the case of contributions made to any of the accounts described in paragraph (9), exceed 300 percent of the amount
otherwise applicable under this subparagraph with respect
to such calendar year.14
(C) to any other political committee (other than a
committee described in subparagraph (D)) in any calendar
year which, in the aggregate, exceed $5,000; or
(D) to a political committee established and maintained
by a State committee of a political party in any calendar
year which, in the aggregate, exceed $10,000.
(2) No multicandidate political committee shall make
contributions—
(A) to any candidate and his authorized political
committees with respect to any election for Federal office
which, in the aggregate, exceed $5,000;
(B) to the political committees established and
maintained by a national political party, which are not the
authorized political committees of any candidate, in any
calendar year, which, in the aggregate, exceed $15,000, or
in the case of contributions made to any of the accounts described
in paragraph (9), exceed 300 percent of the amount
otherwise applicable under this subparagraph with respect
to such calendar year; or
(C) to any other political committee in any calendar
year which, in the aggregate, exceed $5,000.
The law is very clear on how much a person can donate towards a candidate and, more specifically, a committee.
Of course the article is going to say that no laws were broken, even though it clearly shows that laws were broken. You can bleat all you want that it says otherwise, but in this case, there is no room for legal interpretation here, the law is clearly defined as such.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2016-09-01 09:23:24
So, are you saying that article trumps federal law?
I'm saying that if you are going to post an article MAYBE pick one that supports your position...
Hillary Clinton Presidential Race 2016
What She Stands For
Education: Make public college debt-free. Fund universal pre-K. Against No Child Left Behind. Position unknown on Common Core.
Guns: Ban several types of assault weapons. Repeal protections for gun makers. Create a comprehensive background check system and close loopholes.
Healthcare: Give the government a role is setting insurance rates. Expand Obamacare but do not attempt to create a universal healthcare system now.
Immigration: Continue DACA and DAPA programs to waive deportation and expand them. Give undocumented residents a path to legal status.
Jobs and Wages: $275 billion stimulus plan. Tax credits for jobs. Raise federal minimum wage to $12 an hour.
Marijuana: “Wait and see” on overall legalization.
Social Issues: Abortion should be legal. So should same-sex marriage.
Taxes: A series of targeted tax credits for the middle class. Raise capital gains taxes.
Israel: Work toward a two-state solution. Do not necessarily freeze settlement building.
Iran: Support framework for nuclear deal. Continue diplomacy efforts and some sanctions.
Islamic State: No boots on the ground. Use regional troops.
Trade: Clinton announced last year that she does not support the Trans-Pacific Partnership as it currently stands. The deal — the largest trade agreement in history — cuts trade barriers, protects multinational corporations’ intellectual properties and sets labor and environmental standards. ( in other works makes the US even more of a jobless nation compared to other "free trade deals"
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