I've known I've liked guys since around the age of 8. I think most straight guys probably knew they liked girls around that same age too.
Also: Marriage isn't between only a man and woman as of last year in the U.S.
I get it, I wouldn't want my child to be gay either if I eventually decide to have one. Not because I think there's anything wrong with it, but because it's just an extra layer of crap to deal with when life already isn't easy for anyone. Except Hillary Clinton.
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Ramyrez said: »
eliroo said: »
Buy him a beer and sit down and watch football.
Seriously though? He is too young at that point. I would tell him that she is his friend not his girlfriend".
Really though, that is a tough question.
Seriously though? He is too young at that point. I would tell him that she is his friend not his girlfriend".
Really though, that is a tough question.
He is too young for any sort of sexual decision in the grand scheme, I agree.
Just saying, though. At what point is he old enough to make his own decisions? I always liked girls. Always.
I remember stumbling upon a stash of my uncle's old Playboys when I was like 7-8. I really had little understanding or idea of what I was looking at, but I still remember liking what I was seeing.
So maybe he's not too young? Or maybe I should have been gay but was unduly influenced by adult material at too young an age?!
But really. I'm not saying you'd lobotomize your child. But I am saying that questions of sex are questions of sex regardless of orientation, and if the child is old enough to realize he has attractions, he's old enough that you shouldn't be trying to tell him he's wrong about them, barring they're not harmful to others (pedophilia, etc.)
Me telling him that it is wrong isn't harmful to others, nor will it effect others negatively correct?
Am I not allowed core values that I want to hold true within my family?
Truthfully.... I don't know what I would do in that situation because I don't have a kid. So I don't know what I would really do.
I have my values though and a clear definition of what I think is right and wrong by my standards. I will raise my kid to the best I can of those standards.
Him being gay won't make him not be my son and I'm not going to go out of my way to paint being gay as a bad picture. I would honestly do what I can to ensure that he isn't influenced to become gay, but if it happens it happens.
Outside of my personal values, I don't hold anyone else to that specific value.
eliroo said: »
Me telling him that it is wrong isn't harmful to others, nor will it effect others negatively correct?
The actions parents have on children can have some serious weight later on.
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If my kid wants to identify as an attack helicopter, so be it. They better be the *** attack helicopter though. Rockets and 50 cals and the finest avionics money can buy.
When people see my kid, I want them to look at their kid with disgust because my kid is an attack helicopter and their kid is a frat douche draining their retirement funds on half baked startup dreams.
When people see my kid, I want them to look at their kid with disgust because my kid is an attack helicopter and their kid is a frat douche draining their retirement funds on half baked startup dreams.
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Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I didn't but I didn't particularly want to rehash the same old abortion arguments over and over. But you're right, it's my fault for bringing it up, one way or another.
But at least it got LG out of here for a while.
Sylph.Shipp said: »
I've known I've liked guys since around the age of 8. I think most straight guys probably knew they liked girls around that same age too.
Also: Marriage isn't between only a man and woman as of last year in the U.S.
I get it, I wouldn't want my child to be gay either if I eventually decide to have one. Not because I think there's anything wrong with it, but because it's just an extra layer of crap to deal with when life already isn't easy for anyone. Except Hillary Clinton.
Also: Marriage isn't between only a man and woman as of last year in the U.S.
I get it, I wouldn't want my child to be gay either if I eventually decide to have one. Not because I think there's anything wrong with it, but because it's just an extra layer of crap to deal with when life already isn't easy for anyone. Except Hillary Clinton.
I think its hard to rationalize my thought process on the subject. I don't think it is wrong nor do I have anything against gay people.
This is definitely a subject were my religious beliefs are conflicting with my rational thought.
The idea that you can 'shield' your kid from being gay is a half measure that says alot about the parent. Basically, it's that you're not there on the world of LBGT or you have selfish (fair enough) ideas that your kid will bear you grandchildren, normal nuclear family happy times. That's all good, it's just disingenuous when people try to dress up their insecurities in nice terms.
(I'm not calling anyone out here, it's just something I hear ALOT.)
It's like saying, if my kid gets into an interracial relationship it's fine, but if possible I hope they avoid it. No it's not fine because you see it as less than ideal.
Why?
(I'm not calling anyone out here, it's just something I hear ALOT.)
It's like saying, if my kid gets into an interracial relationship it's fine, but if possible I hope they avoid it. No it's not fine because you see it as less than ideal.
Why?
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Siren.Lordgrim said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Siren.Lordgrim said: »
I'm pro life
Siren.Lordgrim said: »
and believe that the states themselves should decide the issue not the federal government. That way it's up to the people to choose in these 50 states.
You got a problem about freely traveling in the 50 states? I don't if your a legal citizen . Don't like your state go to another or move to another it's your "choice ". That's what America is all about
That famous song about Strawman applies to you in this case...
If only I had a brain~~~~~
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
eliroo said: »
Me telling him that it is wrong isn't harmful to others, nor will it effect others negatively correct?
The actions parents have on children can have some serious weight later on.
Pretty far'fetched but that would also have a lot to do with how else I raised him. If I raised my son to be open with me and raised him with love I doubt that problem would exist.
May parents treated being Gay as a bad thing and I think I turned out just fine.
I do agree that if presented in the wrong way, it could easily damage them.
Sylph.Shipp said: »
Not because I think there's anything wrong with it, but because it's just an extra layer of crap to deal with when life already isn't easy for anyone
This has always been the biggest head-scratcher for me with the "it's a choice!" argument. Why would anyone intentionally choose a life that's so much harder (and used to be far, far more dangerous)? I know people can make decisions that aren't always in their best interests, but it just seems like a completely insane choice for a significant chunk of the population to make when the alternative is such an easier path.
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
eliroo said: »
Me telling him that it is wrong isn't harmful to others, nor will it effect others negatively correct?
The actions parents have on children can have some serious weight later on.
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
It's like saying, if my kid gets into an interracial relationship it's fine, but if possible I hope they avoid it. No it's not fine because you see it as less than ideal.
Why?
Why?
Ehhhhh
That's a little disingenuous. Like, I hope my son ends up in a heterosexual relationship with someone of similar skin tone for one reason and one reason only: it's an easier path.
My wife and I won't care an inch if he ends up gay or marries inter-racially, but there are people who will, and so all things being equal I'd just as soon hope he picks the easy way.
Life's hard enough as it is.
Cruz Missive said: »
Sylph.Shipp said: »
Not because I think there's anything wrong with it, but because it's just an extra layer of crap to deal with when life already isn't easy for anyone
This has always been the biggest head-scratcher for me with the "it's a choice!" argument. Why would anyone intentionally choose a life that's so much harder (and used to be far, far more dangerous)? I know people can make decisions that aren't always in their best interests, but it just seems like a completely insane choice for a significant chunk of the population to make when the alternative is such an easier path.
Because you hate God.
Or you're one of those people that play games on hard mode so you can brag about your heretical lifestyle to regular people who play on normal mode because that is what the developer (God) intended.
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Anna Ruthven said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
eliroo said: »
Me telling him that it is wrong isn't harmful to others, nor will it effect others negatively correct?
The actions parents have on children can have some serious weight later on.
It's the little things in life that builds up stress that causes people to finally snap.
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Remember the episode of Criminal Minds where the unsub is a gay kid whose father forced him into a "Pray the Gay Away" program? Spoiler: it didn't end well for anyone.
Anna Ruthven said: »
Remember the episode of Criminal Minds where the unsub is a gay kid whose father forced him into a "Pray the Gay Away" program? Spoiler: it didn't end well for anyone.
You don't really need to reference fiction to showcase the harm those programs do.
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Drama Torama said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
It's like saying, if my kid gets into an interracial relationship it's fine, but if possible I hope they avoid it. No it's not fine because you see it as less than ideal.
Why?
Why?
Ehhhhh
That's a little disingenuous. Like, I hope my son ends up in a heterosexual relationship with someone of similar skin tone for one reason and one reason only: it's an easier path.
My wife and I won't care an inch if he ends up gay or marries inter-racially, but there are people who will, and so all things being equal I'd just as soon hope he picks the easy way.
Life's hard enough as it is.
Right. Because it's the easy road. Parents projecting their fears onto kids. If your kid falls in love with someone of the same sex and from their point of view, nothing is amiss then the only 'problem' are parents and their outmoded views.
Gay relationships today are lightyears beyond what they were a generation ago and are trending towards normalcy in the West. Sure, your kid may have a harder time than the nuclear family but you shouldn't you be preparing kids to buck the easy road and work hard for what they want in life?
Nothing worth doing is easy.
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
eliroo said: »
Me telling him that it is wrong isn't harmful to others, nor will it effect others negatively correct?
The actions parents have on children can have some serious weight later on.
It's the little things in life that builds up stress that causes people to finally snap.
Well, I mean. That or getting caught/implicated it massively illegal activities.
Pretty sure the suicide rate for doctors who get caught dealing in prescription drugs is pretty high compared to the general population.
I remember that episode, it was pretty weird (especially father/son/mother thing in the basement)
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
It's like saying, if my kid gets into an interracial relationship it's fine, but if possible I hope they avoid it. No it's not fine because you see it as less than ideal.
Why?
I think that statement has different implications than saying "I hope my son isn't gay, but if he is that is ok".
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Nothing worth doing is easy.
Would you stop trying to convince women guys aren't worth sleeping with?
*** hell.
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Drama Torama said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
It's like saying, if my kid gets into an interracial relationship it's fine, but if possible I hope they avoid it. No it's not fine because you see it as less than ideal.
Why?
Why?
Ehhhhh
That's a little disingenuous. Like, I hope my son ends up in a heterosexual relationship with someone of similar skin tone for one reason and one reason only: it's an easier path.
My wife and I won't care an inch if he ends up gay or marries inter-racially, but there are people who will, and so all things being equal I'd just as soon hope he picks the easy way.
Life's hard enough as it is.
If your kid is gay, good for them, they found happiness. If your kid is straight, good for them, they found happiness.
If your kid is a sociopath homophobic person who's life's ambition is to go into a Florida nightclub and shoot up the gays, you should probably want to get that checked out. At the very least, you shouldn't be rewarded by being in the backdrop of a presidential candidate's team of sheep.
Point is, the only responsibility a parent has towards their kid is to make sure they grow up to be a responsible adult, one who can make their own choices in life, and maybe help them achieve their goals (if possible). The kid should not be a version 2.0 of yourself.
<Papa Rooks> Son, I'm going to teach you the loving art of banning somebody.
<Son Rooks> Ok da-da!
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
If your kid is a sociopath homophobic person who's life's ambition is to go into a Florida nightclub and shoot up the gays, you should probably want to get that checked out. At the very least, you shouldn't be rewarded by being in the backdrop of a presidential candidate's team of sheep.
STOP TRYING TO BRING US BACK ON TOPIC.
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
eliroo said: »
Me telling him that it is wrong isn't harmful to others, nor will it effect others negatively correct?
The actions parents have on children can have some serious weight later on.
It's the little things in life that builds up stress that causes people to finally snap.
Attacking someones identity is the surest road to suicide.
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Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
eliroo said: »
Me telling him that it is wrong isn't harmful to others, nor will it effect others negatively correct?
The actions parents have on children can have some serious weight later on.
It's the little things in life that builds up stress that causes people to finally snap.
Well, I mean. That or getting caught/implicated it massively illegal activities.
Pretty sure the suicide rate for doctors who get caught dealing in prescription drugs is pretty high compared to the general population.
I do know that a lot of people, kids especially, just can't handle life, so they check out early.
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Gay relationships today are lightyears beyond what they were a generation ago and are trending towards normalcy in the West.
Like I said, "all things being equal", I'd have him on the easier path. I know full well it's not up to me (or him).
(And nothing will excuse him from giving us grandkids so it doesn't matter anyway)
Ramyrez said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
If your kid is a sociopath homophobic person who's life's ambition is to go into a Florida nightclub and shoot up the gays, you should probably want to get that checked out. At the very least, you shouldn't be rewarded by being in the backdrop of a presidential candidate's team of sheep.
STOP TRYING TO BRING US BACK ON TOPIC.
Bizaro Kingnobody said:
We are on topic! We need to discuss more about this!
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Point is, the only responsibility a parent has towards their kid is to make sure they grow up to be a responsible adult, one who can make their own choices in life, and maybe help them achieve their goals (if possible). The kid should not be a version 2.0 of yourself.
See, there are times when I can agree fully with KN. If we all stopped talking about politics this website might become a better place.
*The More You Know*
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Anna Ruthven said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
eliroo said: »
Me telling him that it is wrong isn't harmful to others, nor will it effect others negatively correct?
The actions parents have on children can have some serious weight later on.
It's the little things in life that builds up stress that causes people to finally snap.
Attacking someones identity is the surest road to suicide.
...go on.
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