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Hillary Clinton 2016 Presidential Thread
By Bloodrose 2016-08-23 14:08:05
So, according to Fox News, a judge has ordered Hillary to answer questions to some guy under oath.
....really? Again? I have a feeling this is how the next 4 years is going to be, every week someone is going to pull ***like this.
Yeah, written answers, its a joke. She won't even look at them, her lawyers will take care of it. Well, apparently her lawyers are the reason for it. Her lawyers apparently removed personal emails from those turned over to the state department. I'm not sure how this is a Hillary thing instead of a Hillary's lawyers thing.
One of the things that comes with being a leader is the understanding that delegation does not free you from all consequences of your underlings' actions. If anything, this gives the impression that she's incompetent and/or a poor leader. Or at the very least, willing to hire incompetent lawyers.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-23 14:08:45
If anything, this gives the impression that she's incompetent and/or a poor leader. Because she hired lawyers to do the work that lawyers do? And in the same breath you blame Bush for the FEMA fiasco which he isn't solely in charge of.
You do realize that there are more than one person in the executive branch, right?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-23 14:09:38
So, according to Fox News, a judge has ordered Hillary to answer questions to some guy under oath.
....really? Again? I have a feeling this is how the next 4 years is going to be, every week someone is going to pull ***like this.
Yeah, written answers, its a joke. She won't even look at them, her lawyers will take care of it. Well, apparently her lawyers are the reason for it. Her lawyers apparently removed personal emails from those turned over to the state department. I'm not sure how this is a Hillary thing instead of a Hillary's lawyers thing.
One of the things that comes with being a leader is the understanding that delegation does not free you from all consequences of your underlings' actions. If anything, this gives the impression that she's incompetent and/or a poor leader. Or at the very least, willing to hire incompetent lawyers. Still not helping her image.
Not only is she a bad leader, she can't even get competent people around her.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-08-23 14:09:50
How has the FEMA response been this time around? Outstanding right?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-23 14:12:10
How has the FEMA response been this time around? Outstanding right? Too early to tell.
But you already declared them a success.
They could end up doing 10 times worse than the Bush Administration and you would still declare them an absolute success.
So, your opinion means jack ***.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-08-23 14:12:22
Lol what does that have to do with my post? And when did I blame Bush for that?
Also where is this notion that these lawyers did anything wrong or incompetent? There wasn't even a complete story linked.
By Bloodrose 2016-08-23 14:13:06
I have no intention of helping her image.
If it looks like she has incompetent people working for her, that's her call, and it was a bad one.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2016-08-23 14:14:39
Lawl, too early to tell? Maybe for partisan hacks. Its been almost two weeks, if it was as bad as Katrina, we would know about it.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-23 14:14:56
I have no intention of helping her image.
If it looks like she has incompetent people working for her, that's her call, and it was a bad one. Which, for her, is actually an improvement.
Better to have incompetent people than corrupt people.
I heard she is going to throw her aides under the bus when the Clinton Foundation investigation results come out.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-08-23 14:15:18
In more Hillary Corruption news:
Experts: New Clinton State Dept. emails show donor ‘access,’ not ‘favors’
Quote: Although a conservative group investigating Hillary Clinton’s relationship with donors to the Clinton Foundation maintains that newly released emails prove she granted special “access” and “favors,” during her State Department tenure, nonpartisan experts say that Judicial Watch is right about the former but has not yet proven the latter.
Their insights are important as the Clinton Foundation, the family’s charity, becomes a crucial flash point in the 2016 presidential campaign.
Clinton's Republican challenger, Donald Trump, is accusing the Democratic Party's nominee of “pay to play.” It's a narrative sure to continue after Trump hired a Republican operative, Steve Bannon, who wrote a documentary alleging the Clintons got rich from their connections with big business and foreign governments.
Judicial Watch, which obtained the emails through a Freedom of Information Act request, released 725 pages of documents Monday, including 20 exchanges not previously turned over to the State Department. It alleges Clinton’s former top aide, Huma Abedin, provided “special expedited access to the secretary of State” for donors who had contributed from $25,000 to $10 million to the Clinton Foundation. Many of the exchanges involve former top Foundation executive Doug Band.
“These new emails confirm that Hillary Clinton abused her office by selling favors to Clinton Foundation donors,” Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said in a statement.
According to experts, the emails confirm donors were gaining access to Clinton, yet there is no evidence she granted them special favors, an important distinction that may determine how damaging the controversy is to Clinton’s campaign.
“These emails show that there was a long line of Clinton Foundation friends who had no qualms about asking the Clinton State Department for meetings, favors, and special treatment,” said Scott Amey, general counsel at the Project on Government Oversight, or POGO. “Not shocking, but it is disappointing that there were such blurred lines between State Department officials and outsiders. I see little action on these latest requests, but I think further investigation is needed.
“It’s not clear from these emails what actually happened after most of this stuff,” said Meredith McGehee, policy director at the Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan government oversight group. “That’s the missing piece of this puzzle.”
Here are the emails at issue, and the Clinton campaign’s response to them:
-- When Crown Prince Salman of Bahrain requested a 2009 meeting with Clinton, he was forced to go through the Clinton Foundation for an appointment until Band intervened. According to the Clinton Foundation website, Salman helped establish a scholarship program for CGI, and by 2010, it had contributed $32 million to the Clinton Global Initiative. According to the campaign, meeting with foreign leaders is, by definition, the role of the secretary of State and the meeting was arranged through official channels.
-- A 2009 exchange in which Band urged Abedin to get the agency to intervene in order to obtain a visa for members of a British football club, one of whose members was having difficulty because of a “criminal charge.” The campaign says the emails show no action was taken.
-- A 2009 meeting with SlimFast executive S. Daniel Abraham, who’d given between $5 million and $10 million to the Clinton Foundation. The campaign notes that Abraham was also head of the Center for Middle East Peace at the time and that the meeting had nothing to do with the foundation.
Clinton spokesman Josh Schwerin said "Once again this right-wing organization that has been going after the Clintons since the 1990s is distorting facts to make utterly false attacks."
“No matter how this group tries to mischaracterize these documents, the fact remains that Hillary Clinton never took action as Secretary of State because of donations to the Clinton Foundation,” he said.
Judicial Watch’s charge that Clinton abused her office is also complicated by U.S. law, as determined by the Supreme Court in a 2014 case titled McCutcheon v FEC. The court determined that placing aggregate limits on campaign contributions is not valid and does not prevent corruption. “Ingratiation and access are not corruption,” the court found.
In the case of the emails, “This is classic access and influence buying,” said McGehee, yet, according to the court, it’s not corruption. “They say this is just the way the system works,” she said. “They‘re saying spending large sums of money doesn’t give rise to quid pro-quo favors.” Instead, the court said the risk of corruption is cured by disclosure requirements, “which tells you how screwed up it is,” she said.
The emails also show that certain donors were frustrated by their inability to quickly pull strings. In June 2009, Joyce Aboussie, a St. Louis-based foundation contributor, seemed frustrated in her attempts to arrange a meeting between Clinton and an energy executive. “We need this meeting with Secretary Clinton, who has been there now for nearly six months,” she wrote.
The emails highlight a trend in which donors are increasingly attempting to influence government not through specific campaign contributions but through affiliated groups, said McGehee. Aboussie and Abraham are also among Clinton's campaign bundlers who've raised at least $100,000.
“Hopefully, this situation tips the scales in favor openness and accountability to ensure that our government isn't captured by those with money or access,” Amey said. At least the "non partisan" committee admitted that there was a "Pay to Play" scheme going on. Even though they won't admit the favors being done.
Nope, it just so happened that those very donors got what they wanted on a separate request and had nothing to do with their donations to the Clinton funneling fund King, its the exact same reasoning they use for "campaign contributions". The money isn't buying favors, its buying access.
I have said before that I consider both corrupt and corrupting.
By Bloodrose 2016-08-23 14:16:08
I have no intention of helping her image.
If it looks like she has incompetent people working for her, that's her call, and it was a bad one. Which, for her, is actually an improvement.
Better to have incompetent people than corrupt people.
I heard she is going to throw her aides under the bus when the Clinton Foundation investigation results come out. From a friend of a friend of an enemy?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-23 14:18:51
Lawl, too early to tell? Maybe for partisan hacks. Its been almost two weeks, if it was as bad as Katrina, we would know about it. Right, how silly of me.
I completely forgot that, within minutes of FEMA setting down on a natural disaster, they wave their little wands and everything goes back to normal.
You do know that rebuilding Louisiana is going to take years, if not decades, right? Hell, they weren't even finished rebuilding after Sandy when this struck.
And remember, this was including 7 years of Obama's FEMA.
Their initial response is admirable, and I will give credit for when credit is due, however that doesn't mean that they can't *** up the entire show.
But only a partisan hack like you can't tell the difference.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-23 14:20:34
King, its the exact same reasoning they use for "campaign contributions". The money isn't buying favors, its buying access.
I have said before that I consider both corrupt and corrupting. Which is why I think a Super PAC has a better chance at relaying the message than donating directly to the campaign victory fund.
What the Clinton Foundation is accused of doing goes well beyond campaign fraud, though.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-08-23 14:26:51
Campaign contributions =/= campaign fraud.
$ for access = $ for access.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-23 14:36:35
Campaign contributions =/= campaign fraud.
$ for access = $ for access. Right.
I'm confused, you were the one who was saying that campaign contributions were like giving "access" to the person themselves.
Except the fact that campaign contributions are limited to $25k per family. I highly doubt any candidate is going to meet with every campaign donor in that case.
What is your argument again?
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2016-08-23 15:23:10
WATCH TEN MINUTES OF CNN AND MSNBC CUTTING OFF PEOPLE WHO DARE CRITICIZE CROOKED HILLARY
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-23 15:24:48
Lordgrim, is that you?
Are we finally putting a face with the crazy?
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By Diabolos.Prodigy 2016-08-23 16:00:56
WATCH TEN MINUTES OF CNN AND MSNBC CUTTING OFF PEOPLE WHO DARE CRITICIZE CROOKED HILLARY
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It really is pitifully biased. All these news outlets. So blatantly obvious it's as if they don't even care anymore. Opinion news. Can't watch any of it anymore. It's like siblings fighting over toys.
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By Phoenix.Xantavia 2016-08-23 16:03:14
A) Paragraph structure is your friend.
B) You accuse people of being brainwashed, while you don't show a lot of confidence that you aren't being brainwashed yourself by the conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones.
Especially when one can rattle off all of the talking points so quickly and fluidly. It almost sounds like programming. Don't think it is programming, as much as a copy/paste response given to people who frequent such sites and are encouraged to use. Very similar to some letters to the editor you find in newspaper opinion pages.
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By Phoenix.Xantavia 2016-08-23 16:07:37
WATCH TEN MINUTES OF CNN AND MSNBC CUTTING OFF PEOPLE WHO DARE CRITICIZE CROOKED HILLARY
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-23 16:09:08
A) Paragraph structure is your friend.
B) You accuse people of being brainwashed, while you don't show a lot of confidence that you aren't being brainwashed yourself by the conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones.
Especially when one can rattle off all of the talking points so quickly and fluidly. It almost sounds like programming. Don't think it is programming, as much as a copy/paste response given to people who frequent such sites and are encouraged to use. Very similar to some letters to the editor you find in newspaper opinion pages. Also, don't forget to subscribe to our youtube channel, our "conspiracy theory of the month" newsletter, and give us your CC/SS information for safe keeping.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-08-23 16:51:03
Campaign contributions =/= campaign fraud.
$ for access = $ for access. Right.
I'm confused, you were the one who was saying that campaign contributions were like giving "access" to the person themselves. King, its the exact same reasoning they use for "campaign contributions". The money isn't buying favors, its buying access.... Compare the bolded words please. Also I don't claim its merely buying access, I claim its bribery. The courts hold that its buying access and perfectly legal.
Quote: Except the fact that campaign contributions are limited to $25k per family. I highly doubt any candidate is going to meet with every campaign donor in that case.... No, just with the ones who bundle multiple $10,000 "contributions". Another reason why PACs should be illegal too.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-08-23 17:02:32
The more I read this thread the more I think people don't know what pathological means. So much for crying about exagerations on Trump...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-23 18:33:29
Campaign contributions =/= campaign fraud.
$ for access = $ for access. Right.
I'm confused, you were the one who was saying that campaign contributions were like giving "access" to the person themselves. King, its the exact same reasoning they use for "campaign contributions". The money isn't buying favors, its buying access.... Compare the bolded words please. Also I don't claim its merely buying access, I claim its bribery. The courts hold that its buying access and perfectly legal.
Quote: Except the fact that campaign contributions are limited to $25k per family. I highly doubt any candidate is going to meet with every campaign donor in that case.... No, just with the ones who bundle multiple $10,000 "contributions". Another reason why PACs should be illegal too. Actually, I wouldn't mind one bit if we take money out of elections and force the media to only cover so much on the candidates, and that they have to be equal time on all stations and all candidates.
That's the only way it could be considered a "fair" election, right? When you have to get your message across and not make this a reality TV show.
By mithramegz 2016-08-23 18:38:13
Campaign contributions =/= campaign fraud.
$ for access = $ for access. Right.
I'm confused, you were the one who was saying that campaign contributions were like giving "access" to the person themselves. King, its the exact same reasoning they use for "campaign contributions". The money isn't buying favors, its buying access.... Compare the bolded words please. Also I don't claim its merely buying access, I claim its bribery. The courts hold that its buying access and perfectly legal.
Quote: Except the fact that campaign contributions are limited to $25k per family. I highly doubt any candidate is going to meet with every campaign donor in that case.... No, just with the ones who bundle multiple $10,000 "contributions". Another reason why PACs should be illegal too. Actually, I wouldn't mind one bit if we take money out of elections and force the media to only cover so much on the candidates, and that they have to be equal time on all stations and all candidates.
That's the only way it could be considered a "fair" election, right? When you have to get your message across and not make this a reality TV show. That would make things a lot more fair. Damon that pesky first amendment.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-08-23 18:43:05
That would make things a lot more fair. Damn that pesky first amendment. A) #Wings4Rooks
B) This isn't a First Amendment issue. We are neither forcing a message on the media nor doing anything religious (unless you consider that they force the airing on Sundays only).
It could be on CSPAN, but nobody watches it anyway.
It could be on the major networks, but who's really going to keep track of the airings?
The only problem is having an actual, non-partisan, independent group of people handling this. And with the level of polarization in today's society, they just don't exist.
Hillary Clinton Presidential Race 2016
What She Stands For
Education: Make public college debt-free. Fund universal pre-K. Against No Child Left Behind. Position unknown on Common Core.
Guns: Ban several types of assault weapons. Repeal protections for gun makers. Create a comprehensive background check system and close loopholes.
Healthcare: Give the government a role is setting insurance rates. Expand Obamacare but do not attempt to create a universal healthcare system now.
Immigration: Continue DACA and DAPA programs to waive deportation and expand them. Give undocumented residents a path to legal status.
Jobs and Wages: $275 billion stimulus plan. Tax credits for jobs. Raise federal minimum wage to $12 an hour.
Marijuana: “Wait and see” on overall legalization.
Social Issues: Abortion should be legal. So should same-sex marriage.
Taxes: A series of targeted tax credits for the middle class. Raise capital gains taxes.
Israel: Work toward a two-state solution. Do not necessarily freeze settlement building.
Iran: Support framework for nuclear deal. Continue diplomacy efforts and some sanctions.
Islamic State: No boots on the ground. Use regional troops.
Trade: Clinton announced last year that she does not support the Trans-Pacific Partnership as it currently stands. The deal — the largest trade agreement in history — cuts trade barriers, protects multinational corporations’ intellectual properties and sets labor and environmental standards. ( in other works makes the US even more of a jobless nation compared to other "free trade deals"
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