Random Politics & Religion #08

I can guarantee you that nearly all non-union jobs in the US who negotiate wages are between the manager/owner and the employee.

I'll accept your evidence, however, it's it also the regulator's fault for not shutting down the mine before the accident?

I mean, if we are going to assume that all businesses purposefully run bad equipment without properly maintaining them, shouldn't we also assume that all regulators are supposed to shut down a business for bad safety practices?

Well, again. We're talking corporations here. I don't see a need for unions in small businesses. Kansas is just apparently ***.

Let's put it this way: if you're big enough that you need to have human resources personnel, you've grown to the point where you probably should have collective bargaining.


Oh I absolutely agree. There's a front end and a back end to this injustice. It's not just a court letting them off easy. They should have been shut down years before.

That said, they also shouldn't be doing this ***in the first place, because what kind of shitbags are knowingly endangering people for a profit?

Sometimes I'm not sure if I expect too much of human beings or if I really am mental in that I can't manage to put myself in the mindset that allows this ***to happen.

Like, yes. I get "why." "Profit. Power. Personal gain. Rawr! Big man on totem pole! Don't care about little man, he's my pawn!"

What kind of *** do you have to be to actually think like that though?

If that's the case, why are there still manufacturing jobs here in America? By your reasoning, everything, and I do mean everything, is made elsewhere.

Large, medium, small companies, doesn't matter, they all are made outside the nation.

Never mind that businesses are building plants here in the states, mainly in non-union states...

Fair analysis, only if you look at specific parts of the equation and not the whole picture.

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Like, yes. I get "why." "Profit. Power. Personal gain. Rawr! Big man on totem pole! Don't care about little man, he's my pawn!"

What kind of *** do you have to be to actually think like that though?

Actually Trump is not big I would say he is of average size.

You have done him?

Well, again. We're talking corporations here. I don't see a need for unions in small businesses. Kansas is just apparently ***.

Let's put it this way: if you're big enough that you need to have human resources personnel, you've grown to the point where you probably should have collective bargaining.

That said, they also shouldn't be doing this ***in the first place, because what kind of shitbags are knowingly endangering people for a profit?

I refuse to join any organization that would have me as a member !

My examples are largely about general manufacturing being cheaper to make overseas. It doesn't mean every industry and certain industries (former rust belt) have suffered most. There are still business opportunities in America and alot of it centers around the high quality products that are not in direct competition with the lowest common denominator garbage you see shipped in from elsewhere.

Much of the American moneymaking right now are in financial services and tech. The problem is that the pyramid tightens as you move from dirty manufacturing to making apps, performing financial services and selling overpriced food. We have alot of Americans who don't have the money to move up the pyramid while waxing nostalgic for a time where capitalism was in their corner.

Times change, America has changed, capitalism is all about change. The problem is of course no one cares about that when they get fired and their job moves overseas. So unions become a target of blame when ALOT of factors are in play. Welcome to globalization.

Judge orders Trump to pay nearly $300,000 in attorney’s fees in Doral painter’s lawsuit
Because he wanted to screw a contractor out of $34,863.

Real big man.

That's like saying that you are paying the person you wrecked your car with, except that it's your insurance that's paying them, not you.

See, this is misleading, because if you didn't have the insurance, you'd be paying out your *** out of pocket, because you caused the wreck like a jackass.

That article is very misleading, and very dishonest.

It's not Trump who's paying the company in question, it's one of his businesses....

Get your mind out of the gutter ...

That article is very misleading, and very dishonest.

It's not Trump who's paying the company in question, it's one of his businesses.

That's like saying that you are paying the person you wrecked your car with, except that it's your insurance that's paying them, not you.

Trump is not paying any of his personal money in that lawsuit at all.

The article never once states that Trump is personally rsponsible to pay the judgement and it only mentions the name of the company trump owns.

All because, according to the lawsuit, Trump allegedly tried to stiff The Paint Spot on its last payment of $34,863 on a $200,000 contract for paint used in the renovation of the home of golf’s famed Blue Monster two years ago.

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This week, Cueto ruled that the fees were reasonable, and then some.

First, he ruled Trump should pay for nearly 500 hours of legal work, since the store’s legal team had to prepare for a trial that never took place.

Then, Cueto tacked on a 75 percent “risk” fee, partly because the store’s lawyers took the risk that they would never be paid if they lost.

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“I’m happy I have a judgment,” said Juan Carlos Enriquez, owner of The Paint Spot. “But he [Trump] hasn’t paid yet.

“You know how he says he’ll surround himself with the greatest people if he is president? In this case, he might not be surrounded by the right people.”

it also says that even after putting the remaining fee owed in escrow that they still may appeal the judgement for payment of legal fees they are deemed responsible for.

The purge of those alleged to have been involved in the coup has been far-wide and sweeping. A total of 15,846 people have been detained in connection to the failed coup earlier this month, according to Efkan Ala, the country's interior minister, state broadcaster TRT reported.
The majority of the detentions have been military -- 10,012 people (including 178 generals). Around 3,000 of those have since been released, an official from the president's office added. More than 12,000 people remain in custody.

In addition to the large number of detentions, TRT reported the interior minister has said 8,113 individuals have been arrested. Turkish authorities have stripped the country's security forces, arresting 5,226 military personnel, and seizing at least 151 generals and admirals -- a third of the general-rank command of the Turkish military.
Additional arrests include 1,684 prosecutors and judges and 1,019 members of the police force.
1,200 troops have since been released, the government said.
The country's PM has also told state-run news agency Andalou of its intentions to disband Turkey's elite presidential guard unit.

About 1.5% of the army were involved in the July 15 coup attempt according to a statement made by the Turkish Armed Forces, TRT reported Wednesday.
The statement also broke down the use of military inventory used by coup plotters including:

35 jets
37 helicopters
246 armed vehicles
3 ships
3,992 weapons



Turkish authorities have issued 47 new arrest warrants for journalists, managers and former staff of the Zaman newspaper, the government said Wednesday. An official from Erdogan's office called the newspaper "the Gulen Movement's flagship media organization."

CNN has reached out to Zaman for comment but they had not responded by time of publishing.
This is the latest crackdown on individuals suspected of having ties to alleged coup plotters including cleric Fethullah Gulen, whom Erdogan has repeated cited as the mastermind behind the coup attempt on July 15. Gulen lives in self-imposed exile in the U.S. and has denied any involvement.
"The prosecutors aren't interested in what individual columnists wrote or said. At this point, the reasoning is that prominent employees of Zaman are likely to have intimate knowledge of the Gulen network and as such could benefit the investigation," the official said.
Previously, 42 warrants were issued on similar grounds Tuesday. A total of 89 warrants have been issued for journalists in the country to date. Meanwhile, Turkey's broadcasting authority has revoked licenses for 24 radio and television companies believed to have links to Gulen, Anadolu has reported.

In addition to mass arrests, Turkish authorities have fired or suspended at least 60,000 people from various institutions, including some from state-run organizations, according to Andalou. Among those affected:

42,767 people in the Ministry of Education including 21,738 suspended government workers and 21,029 public staff education members
8,777 Ministry of Interior personnel
2,745 judges and prosecutors have been listed for detention
1,700 soldiers -- including 87 generals
1,577 university deans have been asked to resign
1,112 officials removed in the Presidency of Religious Affairs
673 staff members at the Ministry of Food, Agriculture and Stockbreeding
599 officials from the Family and Social Policies Ministry
560 Ministry of Science, Industry and Technology personnel
529 Ministry of Transportation officials
500 officials at the Ministry of Finance
300 Ministry of Energy and Natural Resources staff
300 TRT employees
257 officials removed from duty in the Prime Minister's Office
265 Ministry of Youth and Sports workers
262 military judges and prosecutors
221 officials Ministry of Forestry and Water Affairs
211 Turkish Airlines contracts have been terminated
184 Ministry of Customs and Commerce officials
180 Ministry of Labor and Social Security personnel
167 staff members at the Ministry of Environment and Urbanisation
110 Ministry of Culture and Tourism employees
100 Turkish intelligence service personnel
86 people removed at the Banking Regulation and Supervision Agency
86 staff dismissed at Ministry of Foreign Affairs including removal of Central Ambassadors Gurcan Balik and Tuncay Babali
82 Development Ministry workers
51 people at the Istanbul Stock Exchange while 36 have been terminated at the Capital Market Council
36 Energy Market Regulatory employees
29 Radio and Television Supreme Council workers
22 employees at the Housing Development Administration of Turkey
21 Turkish Statistical Institute workers
15 Ministry of Economy staff members
2 general directors, 1 deputy director general, and 5 department heads at Treasury


Turkey has closed more than 2,000 institutions they say are linked to Gulen.

Suspects can be detained for up to 30 days without charge under a new presidential decree issued in the wake of the foiled revolution. The directive also allows the government to listen in on all conversations suspects have with their legal representation. A state of emergency has also been sanctioned.

Federal Appeals Court Rules New NC Voting Laws Intended To Discriminate

Has NC always been this awful? Here's a link to the opinion in case anyone suspects the article of exaggeration - http://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Published/161468.P.pdf

I'm going to argue about everything KN says, just because.

That is a very harsh published opinion by the Appellate Court.

It's almost like Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton wrote it for the judges....