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By Ramyrez 2016-07-25 14:35:54  
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Has a liberal ever been banned from any of these p and r threads?
Topic banned I believe.

Lordgrim has been temp banned for about a year, but I don't think anyone can claim him to be either liberal or conservative, that's far gone he is.

Spicy!

Still not sure what he did, but.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-07-25 14:36:54  
He tried to blow up the FFXIAH fuel depot. Something about the Vana'diel Tea Party, Constitution, liberty, rockets red glare.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-07-25 14:37:36  
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Seriously, his rhetoric is worse than anything Nausi and Aman has ever posted.

I miss them 2, ban the banhammer we are all adults here.

Has a liberal ever been banned from any of these p and r threads?

Nausi and Aman aren't banned. I don't think.
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By Ramyrez 2016-07-25 14:39:15  
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Damn it, now I have to order pizza today!

/calls Papa Johns.

/waits for the commentary against Papa Johns.

It isn't the best in the world but not bad for a chain pizza place.

Random Politics & Takeout #8.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-07-25 14:40:09  
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So coming to prominence on a racist birther wave, calling Mexicans rapists and drug dealers while proceeding to trash pretty much every major non-white group is liberal?
I'm sorry, but Trump never said that all Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers. He wasn't even referring to all illegal immigrants as rapists and/or drug dealers either.

Also, the whole "trashing pretty much every major non-white group" is again, commentary of people reporting what he said.

See, if you actually listened to what he said and not what other people said what he said, you would understand the difference....

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Trump has a hardon for Putin and anyone who bullies their way across leadership. How he waxes with delight that he could one day suppress media, attack people with no consequence and do as he pleases all while his rabid base of '*** political correctness...so long as it cuts my way' boosts him to new heights of narcissism.
Obama has a hard on for Ho Chi Mihn, that doesn't make him a communist, now does it?

Obama also respects Mao Zedong. Again, does that make him somebody who would spread communism in this country?
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By Ramyrez 2016-07-25 14:42:05  
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That's rich coming from a guy who cheated on his wife.

"Marriage is about one man and one woman until I see a new woman I like more."
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By Odin.Slore 2016-07-25 14:42:45  
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Seriously, his rhetoric is worse than anything Nausi and Aman has ever posted.

I miss them 2, ban the banhammer we are all adults here.

Has a liberal ever been banned from any of these p and r threads?
Yup. I'm seen as a liberal here and I've been banned quite a few times...

So yeah... What trump policies do you like? You said that you did in a previous post but never stated which policies...

I am pro life to an extent, I like Trump beleive that if its rape, incest or going to take life of baby/mother or extreme disability of baby then yes I will support that for abortion. I do not think that it should be used as a form of birth control and I absolutely do not support late term abortion.

I am pro legal immigration. My mother did it with herself and us (I had dual citizenship because my father was Navy my mom was Scottish) I do not support anchor babies, although I hate that term. I support every immigrant that comes here legally like my mom. Do it the right way.

I do not support more gun laws against law abiding citizens. I have owned guns all my life as has my 15 year old son. Daughters never got into shooting. I hunt alot and you do need bigger caliber guns for hunting ie. 30-30, 5.56 etc. Unless you are a expert marksman with every single shot your not really gonna hunt deer with a 243.

Like Trump, beyond what you think from Liberal Media talking points Trump is not anti gay rights. As long as you are not molesting children what you do in your own bedroom is your own damn business. Only thing I ask is keep it appropriate in public, I do not maul my gf in public I would appreciate if others didn't as well.

Need more? I can get into trade deals, social security, police, military etc if needed.
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By fonewear 2016-07-25 14:46:33  
The most important thing is Trump is going to fire Obama. Obama probably has never been fired and Trump has the balls to do it !
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By Blazed1979 2016-07-25 14:49:34  
Take this you Feminists.
and this!, THIS too!

sorry, I just love the entire "women and men are the same" BS that's being shoved in our faces by some very stupid people who skipped biology in high school.

So to summarize SCIENCE SAYS as a male, my health improves with the more sexual partners I have, while as a woman, you go batshit crazy, eventually.

Edit/remove this post if you think Science is sexist, feminists!


Ghostbusters sucked by the way.
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By fonewear 2016-07-25 14:50:52  
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Take this you Feminists.
and this!, THIS too!

sorry, I just love the entire "women and men are the same" BS that's being shoved in our faces by some very stupid people who skipped biology in high school.

So to summarize SCIENCE SAYS as a male, my health improves with the more sexual partners I have, while as a woman, you go batshit crazy, eventually.

Edit/remove this post if you think Science is sexist, feminists!


Ghostbusters sucked by the way.

So you are telling me Science wants me to have sex with a bunch of women...(married or not)where was that during all my Science classes !
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2016-07-25 14:55:37  
I'm pro life too though I do not think there should be any exceptions to the rule... It never made sense to me when people say that abortion is actual murder then go on to say that it's ok to murder an unborn child under certain circumstances... It does make sense to me when people who don't think it's murder to think it's ok whether it is or isn't and no matter how detestable it may be it does serve a purpose in our society...

I'm pro legal immigration too... There is the reality though that there is a large amount of people who have lived here for months or years upon years and serve a purpose in society now... You can't just say get rid of all the illegals without a plan and funds to make it happen. Saying I'll build a wall or I'll get rid of all illegals without actuall saying how is just empty promises... You have to deal with the issue in a real, logical and implementable way...

I support gun ownership but I do also support some laws restricting certain types of gun ownership such as say trends launchers or other weapons like that and also things like 30 round clips and the like... I think sensible gun laws can be put into place to make things altogether better... If we sat down and worked on a compromise that is... Getting rid of all guns is silly and a pipe dream but it's rivaled in silliness by opposing all legislation limiting some gun sales...

Beside him saying that gay people love him idk that he has taken a stance on gay marriage or anything like that related to lv to rights... I'm personally not a fan of the pda but I don't see why people should not be allowed to do that not would I seek some kind of legislation or even ask them to stop...

I would like you to tell me what trumps policies are.. So far you've only told me what you believe in and quite honestly trump has contradicted some of those beliefs at one time or another or at the very least hasn't said how he would accomplish anything just made statements like I will build a wall and Mexico will pay for it r I will deport all illegal aliens but has failed to address how he would do it how long it would take or what it would take/cost...
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-07-25 15:01:40  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Obama has a hard on for Ho Chi Mihn, that doesn't make him a communist, now does it?

Obama also respects Mao Zedong. Again, does that make him somebody who would spread communism in this country?
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By Blazed1979 2016-07-25 15:10:07  
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2016-07-25 15:26:29  
Odin.Slore said: »
Like Trump, beyond what you think from Liberal Media talking points Trump is not anti gay rights.
He's been a consistent proponent of "traditional" marriage (presumably the belief that marriage is between one man and one woman and two divorcees) and has said he would appoint judges who would overturn Obergefell v. Hodges. At one point he was against bills supporting LGBT discrimination (aka, bathroom bills), but has reversed on that recently.

Not sure how that is construed as not being against gay rights when his own stated beliefs say otherwise.
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By Phoenix.Xantavia 2016-07-25 15:29:34  
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Strange, 7 years ago the liberals/democrats had a supermajority in Congress.
I'm sure you'll go Ha-ha Huffing post, butabout that supermajority
So? And somehow, this means what again? My argument is that the Republicans couldn't do a damn thing in the first 2 years of Obama's tenure because they had next to no power to do anything, and yet, it seems like everyone is blaming the Republicans for everything that happened in 2009 and 2010.

I'm sure you are going to argue with me about that too, aren't you? Because, in your version of reality, the Republicans had the supermajority and also passed Obamacare and a bunch of ***since then....
No, what I'm saying is that the Democrats didn't have supermajority for the first two years either, so they didn't steamroll anything through either.
 
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-07-25 15:34:11  
And now for something completely different

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(NaturalNews) One of the world's leading geneticists wants to bring back an extinct human species by cloning it from reconstructed DNA, then implanting the resulting embryo into the womb of a human woman.

"Now I need an adventurous female human," said George Church of Harvard Medical School. "It depends on a hell of a lot of things, but I think it can be done."

Church wants to resurrect Neanderthals, which went extinct 33,000 years ago. Although popular culture has portrayed Neanderthals as stupid, brutish and wild, evidence suggests that they were probably as intelligent as our own species.

Major ethical concerns

Church is one of the originators of the Human Genome Project that mapped the human genetic code. He is also one of the foremost developers of the field of synthetic biology.

He says that he has collected and analyzed enough Neanderthal DNA from bone fragments to create an artificial reconstruction – yes, just like the artificial reconstruction of dinosaur DNA at the center of the plot of Jurassic Park. Church would then inject this DNA into human stem cells, and later inject those stem cells into a fertilized human embryo. Church believes that the stem cells – with Neanderthal DNA – would hijack the DNA of the embryo and lead to the development of a Neanderthal instead of a human.

The embryo would be implanted into a human surrogate to develop in utero.

"It is hard to know where to begin with the ethical and safety concerns," responded Philippa Taylor of the Christian Medical Fellowship.

In an interview with German magazine Der Spiegel, Church sets out his tenuous rationale for the project.

"Neanderthals might think differently than we do. They could even be more intelligent than us," he said.

"When the time comes to deal with an epidemic or getting off the planet, it's conceivable that their way of thinking could be beneficial."

Of course, Church completely ignores or glosses over the massive safety and ethical implications of his genetic tampering. Experts have raised concerns about the possibility of genetic errors producing deformity in the cloned Neanderthals, while others have noted that a 33,000-year extinct species would have no immunity to modern diseases.

Bioethcist Bernard Rollin notes that cloning an extinct human being poses particular ethical challenges. How can Neanderthals consent to being brought back from extinction into a human-dominated world?

"I don't think it's fair to put people... into a circumstance where they are going to be mocked and possibly feared," Rollins said.

Church's plan may actually be illegal, as nearly all countries on earth, including his native United Kingdom, ban human reproductive cloning. Yet, because Church plans to clone Neanderthals and not modern humans, some governments might decide that those laws do not apply.

Mad science rolls on

Church's plan may sound like mad science, but it's part of a growing trend of genetic engineers increasingly setting their sights on the human genome.

In 2015, Chinese scientists became the first to admit that they had performed human "germline modification" – that is, they had modified the DNA of a human embryo.

Modern genetic therapies target only adult cells, giving them limited impact. But modifications to sperm, egg or embryonic cells affect the entire organism and are inherited by future generations.

Experts worldwide have called for a moratorium on human germline modification, citing diverse and significant ethical concerns. But the call has gone unheeded. In February of this year, the United Kingdom's Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA) gave the Francis Crick Institute permission to perform genetic modification experiments on human embryos.

"The HFEA now has the reputation of being the first regulator in the world to approve this uncertain and dangerous technology," said Anne Scanlan of the nonprofit group LIFE. "It has ignored the warnings of over a hundred scientists worldwide and given permission for a procedure which could have damaging far-reaching implications for human beings."

Wonder how much they're offering?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-07-25 15:34:17  
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No, what I'm saying is that the Democrats didn't have supermajority for the first two years either, so they didn't steamroll anything through either.

They steamrolled Obamacare through. How many Republicans voted for that again?
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-07-25 15:37:12  
Steam rolled it so good that Republican legislators that followed can't get rid of it despite all their ridiculously expensive efforts.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-07-25 15:41:34  
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
And now for something completely different

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(NaturalNews) One of the world's leading geneticists wants to bring back an extinct human species by cloning it from reconstructed DNA, then implanting the resulting embryo into the womb of a human woman.

"Now I need an adventurous female human," said George Church of Harvard Medical School. "It depends on a hell of a lot of things, but I think it can be done."

Church wants to resurrect Neanderthals, which went extinct 33,000 years ago. Although popular culture has portrayed Neanderthals as stupid, brutish and wild, evidence suggests that they were probably as intelligent as our own species.

Major ethical concerns

Church is one of the originators of the Human Genome Project that mapped the human genetic code. He is also one of the foremost developers of the field of synthetic biology.

He says that he has collected and analyzed enough Neanderthal DNA from bone fragments to create an artificial reconstruction – yes, just like the artificial reconstruction of dinosaur DNA at the center of the plot of Jurassic Park. Church would then inject this DNA into human stem cells, and later inject those stem cells into a fertilized human embryo. Church believes that the stem cells – with Neanderthal DNA – would hijack the DNA of the embryo and lead to the development of a Neanderthal instead of a human.

The embryo would be implanted into a human surrogate to develop in utero.

"It is hard to know where to begin with the ethical and safety concerns," responded Philippa Taylor of the Christian Medical Fellowship.

In an interview with German magazine Der Spiegel, Church sets out his tenuous rationale for the project.

"Neanderthals might think differently than we do. They could even be more intelligent than us," he said.

"When the time comes to deal with an epidemic or getting off the planet, it's conceivable that their way of thinking could be beneficial."

Of course, Church completely ignores or glosses over the massive safety and ethical implications of his genetic tampering. Experts have raised concerns about the possibility of genetic errors producing deformity in the cloned Neanderthals, while others have noted that a 33,000-year extinct species would have no immunity to modern diseases.

Bioethcist Bernard Rollin notes that cloning an extinct human being poses particular ethical challenges. How can Neanderthals consent to being brought back from extinction into a human-dominated world?

"I don't think it's fair to put people... into a circumstance where they are going to be mocked and possibly feared," Rollins said.

Church's plan may actually be illegal, as nearly all countries on earth, including his native United Kingdom, ban human reproductive cloning. Yet, because Church plans to clone Neanderthals and not modern humans, some governments might decide that those laws do not apply.

Mad science rolls on

Church's plan may sound like mad science, but it's part of a growing trend of genetic engineers increasingly setting their sights on the human genome.

In 2015, Chinese scientists became the first to admit that they had performed human "germline modification" – that is, they had modified the DNA of a human embryo.

Modern genetic therapies target only adult cells, giving them limited impact. But modifications to sperm, egg or embryonic cells affect the entire organism and are inherited by future generations.

Experts worldwide have called for a moratorium on human germline modification, citing diverse and significant ethical concerns. But the call has gone unheeded. In February of this year, the United Kingdom's Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA) gave the Francis Crick Institute permission to perform genetic modification experiments on human embryos.

"The HFEA now has the reputation of being the first regulator in the world to approve this uncertain and dangerous technology," said Anne Scanlan of the nonprofit group LIFE. "It has ignored the warnings of over a hundred scientists worldwide and given permission for a procedure which could have damaging far-reaching implications for human beings."

Wonder how much they're offering?

Woo! IDK, man. Are you sure you want to put yourself on the table, considering things are still up in the air as far as uterus transplants?

Maybe you can be a threefer? Mull it over.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-07-25 15:43:29  
Haha wasn't asking in that regard. Meant more like what is the profit motivation they're offering up to the female host.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-07-25 15:43:44  
Phoenix.Xantavia said: »
No, what I'm saying is that the Democrats didn't have supermajority for the first two years either, so they didn't steamroll anything through either.
Argument was that GOP shut down a program that could have prevented the shootings at Dallas and Baton Rouge 7 years ago.

Counterpoint was that Republicans had next to no power to shut down any programs. Especially those that pertain with the executive branch of the federal government.

You are arguing something completely different. When you want to discuss the argument at hand, then by all means, please do so.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-07-25 15:45:01  
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No, what I'm saying is that the Democrats didn't have supermajority for the first two years either, so they didn't steamroll anything through either.

They steamrolled Obamacare through. How many Republicans voted for that again?
Didn't you hear? Obama was against Obamacare, but he had to sign it under gunpoint. He is really out for the good of the people, not to throw something out there and pass it as a signature law, even though most of the country hated it.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-07-25 15:47:19  
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
Haha wasn't asking in that regard. Meant more like what is the profit motivation they're offering up to the female host.

I couldn't resist the potential for this joke:



Considering how much you can get for egg donation and that this is completely uncharted territory, who knows?
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By Siren.Mosin 2016-07-25 15:50:56  
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"Now I need an adventurous female human," said George Church of Harvard Medical School.EVERY DUDE EVER
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-07-25 15:52:06  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Phoenix.Xantavia said: »
No, what I'm saying is that the Democrats didn't have supermajority for the first two years either, so they didn't steamroll anything through either.
Argument was that GOP shut down a program that could have prevented the shootings at Dallas and Baton Rouge 7 years ago.

Counterpoint was that Republicans had next to no power to shut down any programs. Especially those that pertain with the executive branch of the federal government.

You are arguing something completely different. When you want to discuss the argument at hand, then by all means, please do so.

Except for how the backlash by House Republicans to those findings of that departments study ended janet napolitano's political career during this mythical era.
 
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By Blazed1979 2016-07-25 15:56:00  
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Blazed... Eeyeah, no. Don't use InfoWars as an attempted factual source, m'kay? Alex Jones is why LG is so batshit insane even I blocked him.
You didn't watch the video.
and agree on Alex Jones, David Icke is less crazy. Even those crazy Mexican UFO documentaries are timid compared to Alex Jones.
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