Random Politics & Religion #08

You're confusing debt with deficit. Also, what I'm looking at shows a $17 billion deficit, not a $11 billion surplus.

It's a problematic situation no matter how you approach it. I'll take your solution over "bomb the Middle East until it stops causing problems" because that's never really going to work and it will just cause more problems.

But I feel like saying "Well, the Islamic world needs to get their own house in order" is...well, it's not "wrong" in theory, but "the Islamic world" is a false entity. It's not a thing. It's dozens of nations and billions of people that are not one solid unit.

Try getting the Catholics, Methodists, and Evangelists to come up with an agreed-upon set of rules for Christianity and then get every other of the plethora of other Christian denominations worldwide to agree upon exactly what's going on during Communion.

Now multiply that difficulty by a factor of about a thousand.

You can't let these *** keep killing people around the globe, but trying to stop them with brute force -- from without or within -- simply will not work, so what do you do?

That is why we elect officials to think for us. I'm tired of thinking all the time !

Look, there is no diplomatic solution to be made with radicals like ISIS. So, we are left with other options:

1) Kill them all, make them martyrs, and justify the next group of terrorists.
2) Do nothing, watch them make the world burn.
3) Gather all of the world together to fight them. See #1
4) Try to open dialog with them. Be seen as weak and negotiate with terrorists. Justify the next group of terrorists.

Like I said, the only peaceful solution is to have the community that drives those terrorists to change them from the inside. It's not kicking the can down the road, it's solving the problem with the least amount of bloodshed. That also doesn't mean that the US isn't involved in such talks.

I'll help you out: Vote for Trump.

That sounds like exactly what we don't want in the situation I'm describing.

Look, there is no diplomatic solution to be made with radicals like ISIS. So, we are left with other options:

1) Kill them all, make them martyrs, and justify the next group of terrorists.
2) Do nothing, watch them make the world burn.
3) Gather all of the world together to fight them. See #1
4) Try to open dialog with them. Be seen as weak and negotiate with terrorists. Justify the next group of terrorists.

Like I said, the only peaceful solution is to have the community that drives those terrorists to change them from the inside. It's not kicking the can down the road, it's solving the problem with the least amount of bloodshed. That also doesn't mean that the US isn't involved in such talks.

I don't disagree. But the majority of attacks that have taken place in europe have been by European nationals of Arab/Middle eastern origins. Some of them 3rd generation europeans.

We've been doing a lot to combat terrorism, and we have advised several times on how to tackle the problem. You can't use tactics like war. You need to win the argument! You need to starve them of recruits. How do you do that? by educating people.

Our BEST BET for winning this war are Muslims who can out-flank their crazy insane mullas and leaders. There are tons of them out there speaking day and night, but you won't read about or hear about it in the mainstream media. Because its just not sexy. Its not shock-and-awe material. Its lengthy discourse that educates the audience. Its not a newsentertainment. And lets face it, judging by this RNC, unless things are packaged like a WWE summerslam, no one gives a ***or watches it.

As long as people are lazy and say "kill em all" and "keep mulsims out" "Islam is the reason" we might as well all be shooting our owns elves in the foot whenever the enemy aims at you/us.

Your failed attempt at humor is duly noted.

Rather have the war in the ME than fight them at home.

A police operation is underway after gunfire erupted at a shopping center in Munich Friday. CNN affiliate NTV reports several are dead and others are wounded. Authorities shut down public transportation and warned people to stay home or seek protection.
Here's what we know so far:
• At least one shooter is still on the loose after a shooting inside a McDonald's across from the Olympia shopping mall, police spokeswoman Claudia Küntzel said. "There could be several dead and one or even several shooters are on the loose," Küntzel said. The shooting at the McDonald's happened around 5:50 p.m. (11:50 a.m. ET), she said. It's unclear whether shootings have occurred at other locations, and whether the gunfire has stopped.

• Gunfire also broke out inside the mall, witnesses said.

JUST IN: Twitter video shows people running from scene of shooting at German shopping center https://t.co/rI3HVFMiav pic.twitter.com/59Pf70D5cF
— CNN (@CNN) July 22, 2016

• On Facebook, police said gunfire was reported in several locations, and that witnesses report seeing three different people with firearms.
• "At the moment, we have not been able to arrest any perpetrators. The manhunt is underway at high speed," police said. "Because of the unclear situation we ask all people in the city area to stay at home or to look for protection in any nearby building. The operation of public transportation service has been stopped."

The suspects are still on the run. Please avoid public places. #munich #oez #gunfire
— Polizei München (@PolizeiMuenchen) July 22, 2016

We haven't left.

Rather have the war in the ME than fight them at home.

With Hillary in charge you can be assured we will be cowards...more then we are now.

Realistically, I can't see the world being mature and wise enough to try and disarm ISIS and the likes through an argument. So maybe you guys are right... maybe our governments should just issue all willing citizens an rifle, couple of thousand rounds, a jeep and be like
"Ok borders are open, go get ISIS".

I'd go.. and probably close to 100 million others from the region would go to. If the Governments declared the second form of Jihad (mandatory war of defense, first form being battling your desires) on ISIS, you would have the moderates take up the call.

About 75% of them would then continue the march on Israel....

That might be what is necessary. There is a cancer that will devour Islam and regurgitate out a corruption there of, if Islam doesn't destroy it first.

So, what is it that Obama is doing against ISIS that you hate so much? Because right now, we are employing option #1.

Times like this is why I kinda eye roll anyone cites *billions* of Muslims like there's any unity other than a loose belief in the same God. Wouldn't this be a time to call jihad and every able-bodied male to be drafted into God's army to crush some *** that most everyday Muslims think are fakes and phonies?

Nah, *** that. I'm not going on some adventure in Syria against crazy *** ISIS fighters. Nevermind these people have legit hijacked the most important thing to anyone religious. But I guess it's difficult for me as an areligious person to understand.

And thus the entire 'billions' of Muslims, like 'billions' of Christians amounts to nothing.