Non-Patriotic Organizations And Businesses

I think Sevourn has as much right to post on this topic as anyone else. This is a FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM, and he plays FINAL FANTASY XI! If you wanted Americans onry, you should've posted on a site that doesn't allow non-Americans.

EDIT: Nevermind, I take that back. His Iranian flag is obviously a joke, or something.

Fixed that for yah.

Don't care to touch on real service or whatnot, but the latter portion, I wholeheartedly agree with..

The flag of any country is just a symbol. A mascot. Not loving the country's flag doesn't make you any less patriotic. If Sevourn felt like setting every flag he could reach on fire, I wouldn't give a second's pause in the face of his defending the country and our lives in service.

If you have to cling to something, cling to the ideals, not to the symbols.. If you're truly a patriot, go out and show that you're using the freedoms you have. Proclaim those from the rooftops, not attaching a piece of cloth and a silly set of rules attached to it..

Here's the truth: If a squad dies protecting the flag, and in the end, the flag is still standing? We lost. It's the men and women of a nation, holding to its ideals that should be held up for all to see, not a piece of cloth.

As for 9/11.. It happened. The people truly affected by it feel it every day, and probably don't give a damn if the nation 'understands' their pain for one day. I'm sure their load is lightened knowing that some company is posting record profits today on flags that these 'patriots' will hold as the only way to show you care for the country..

You want to show you care? Do your job, live your life, and hold dear the things your country stands for, not whether someone has a flag lapel pin, or whether someone is doing this or that with their flag.



Heh, Little... If you're to tell Sevourn to stop judging by whether or not he served more or less than any other.. Why are you judging the patriotism of those you see, simply because they aren't waving their flag in just the manner you are?

My flag is better then your flag.

i heart you

Yes and on that note, WTF is this ***doing on FFXI forum anyhow? Go post on reddit or Digg or some place where this may get some real attention and conversation. Some of you people/kids amaze me with the ***you think.

Classy!

remember kids, if you can't win on the facts, just resort to ad-hominem attacks!

The topic is allowed to be here, it is in the off-topic section that is not related to FFXI.

If anyone else doesn't agree with the thread, then do not post and continue on.

Thanks :)

i absolutely agree. i got paid for what i did. i'm not asking for gratitude. only reason i mentioned the military is because littledarc asked me why i cared about his topic. usually i don't even mention it.

Omg they don't have flags. Let me go cry rq.

You know this arguement over patriotism is sickening. People have their rights. We believe in patriotism to a certain degree. Some of us who have/are serving our country have our opinions too, but we sign that line to do what our country asks. Yes we're not as tough as those who served WWII and have those that don't deploy or don't perform like their peers. That all gets dealt with. At least in my branch we have people that'll just get out of the military because they see it as a joke to have weak people mooching of the benefits.

I'm getting waaaay off track, but I for sure am satisfied that I have provided my part to ensure civilians can practice the freedoms I and many others protect.

What others do to the flag is what they do. It does disgust me when they disrespect it and claim it's their freedom. I'm sorry, but I didn't go volunteer to sit out in the middle of nowhere and watch dead bodies and wounded come in on a daily basis. Those people are the ones that are the embodiment of our flag. I view our flag as more than just a piece of cloth. It's the symbol of those who put their lives at risk to make this country what it is today. From the first day of the revolution to today. I'll always see the faces of those who through the hardships of this country sacrificed their lives so I can have the life I do today.

Deployed or not I don't care and calling out others over something so stupid doesn't make you more of a man or patriot. How would you know their job doesn't require them to deploy? I know plenty in my branch of service that the closest they'll get to war is the humanitarian missions now being ran in Africa. Should they be lynched? Hell no!

Now settle the F--- down and figure out why you're saying you are more patriotic when you talk about the symbol of our nation is just a piece of cloth. You are just as worthless as the ones you call "Deployment Dodgers".

You wanna know what branch I'm in, what deployments I've been on or what I even do? Good Luck with that pal. I only share my stories with real soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines.

you're cute when you get defensive

all i'll say is its really amusing how quick those people who didn't deploy are to assure everyone that they're still like totally a patriot.

i honestly can't say i'm interested in your stories

Youngling for sure.

QFT. In the end does all your guys bitching about how high a flag is make one shed of difference? If you feel so goddamn patriotic go enlist. I garuantee your views will change alot.

I have, hence my Korpg type post.

Good for you. It gives you no right to say anything bad about people who don't place a peice of clothe to your liking. Half the time guys I worked with in Navy didn't even know why we were hanging the flag at half mast when we did

But a symbol has only the weight that is attached to it.. For example, from the ages of 2 to about 11, I lived in the same house.. I consider that house to be a pretty resounding symbol of my childhood. Well, a couple of years back, it was paved over for a couple of stores. Seemingly, my childhood remains intact.

A symbol can be destroyed without the slightest adverse effect on what it symbolizes.

As for service and whatnot.. I couldn't serve because of an accident I had when I was young.. I was backed over by a garbage collection truck at the age of 18 months, which, while it left no significant impairment, kept me from enlisting when I turned 18. Does that make me any less patriotic?

Do not post offensive content in here.

Keep it in a civil manner please.

Thanks.

You have a relic bouncer club

The stigma I've seen from the loudest bunch of servicemen is "I enlisted, therefore I am patriotic. You didn't enlist, therefore you aren't."

So apparently, yes, you are less patriotic.

If symbol has meaning to you then you would feel resentment to lose it.

Everyone has there reasons why they couldn't enlist or have enlisted, but have the "cook" job. Not every job in the military is on the front lines. For the sake of stupidity the military doesn't cut down on each other because of jobs. It's the idiots that think they're the ***because a bullet was shot at them or they killed someone. Big picture people!

Signing the line and taking the oath is what I follow. If it means that I have to be a "Fobbit" then that's how it is and I deal with the fact that I can't be out there. If it means I'll never deploy then that's how it works as long as I know how I'm contributing to the big picture.

look, this is exactly how i feel. dasva is right. i really don't know how else i can phrase it.

You'd be suprised what you can have and still get in if you just lie or get wavers

But but... I even heard there's no respawn point in RL !

Action replay duh

I got denied during the physical... giant scar on my back from surgery didnt help lol.

pretty sure i've said repeatedly i have no problem at all with fobbits. i've got no problem with people who don't enlist.

i have a problem with armchair patriots who don't do anything, and then call out others for not being patriotic enough

yah just gotta make sure you use iraq-app