Random Politics & Religion #05

Pretending, even.

What the *** is prentending. I don't even know.

BUT *** IT. DO THAT TOO.

Ooooo~ Good call on that one!

/reads last page

Getting a little pointed in here, and I'm too busy to wrangle y'all today. Reel it in.

Same here on voting. I still dunno how our Governor keeps getting reelected. No one here likes her. I mean, I'd rather ***be ran by Donald Trump than Michael Bloomberg....but I'd rather ***be ran by Michael Bloomberg than Mary Fallin.

If Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann were to somehow get together and produce a child, not only would I like to watch but I'd prefer that child to run ***instead of Mary Fallin.

I'm looking at those names and wondering if what you just proposed didn't, in fact, happen...

Are you saying that Obama had nothing to do with the FY2009 budget, besides signing it?

Are you that ignorant, or just being willfully inserting your head into your own *** to realize that Obama had some say in that budget, regardless of who submitted that budget.

Another thing: Is that budget that Bush submitted the exact same one that Obama signed? Can you answer that?

Remember, 1 change associated with Bush's budget, and it's no longer his budget.

Let's get real, here. The Bush to Obama transition when it came to budgets and the like wasn't clear-cut. We can't blame everything on either one of them, but the people who are hyping up Obama here are basically the equivalent of air fresheners in a freshly-used bathroom. Spray all you want, it's still just going to smell like flower-scented crap in there.

The only thing I can point to and say for sure that Obama was largely responsible for was the ACA, and since its introduction my health insurance has gone to crap and my premiums have skyrocketed. So yeah, thanks for the lower deficit that you may or may not have been responsible for Obama, but screw you anyway.

The ACA was brought up, proposed, etc. by Bush, Obama brought it back up and Congress went back and forth, demanding changes to the plan until it was heavily altered in a way that they could *** about it for years.

Obama championed the final version, forcing it through Congress with zero Republican votes. Do not even for a second pretend that this is somehow George Bush's fault.

First I heard about that.

I knew of a healthcare proposal submitted by Bush, but it wasn't anything near the abomination that is Obamacare.

I say "Obama is solely responsible for the 2009 budget."

You say "no he is not solely responsible that it's an extension of Bush's budget."

I now say "so you're saying Obama has nothing to do with it?"


[Mod Edit: You started off fine but devolved into personal attacks. Don't do that. - AnnaMolly]

How is presenting the reality of the situation "hyping up Obama"?

It isn't, it's Congress's fault. Once you spend so much time pushing for something that both sides have come to many compromises throughout the process, simply ending it after an agreement has been reached and a compromise has been made is unfair. It's like when a kid picks up his toys and goes home because the other kids don't want to play the games he wants to play with said toys, it's shitty. He didn't have a choice at that point, he was damned if he did, damned if he didn't.

I can't help you since I don't understand your version of reality.

"Compromise"? What compromise? Not a single Republican voted for the final draft. That doesn't fit any definition of "compromise". Democrats decided it was good enough to push through and they did it. They clearly didn't need any Republican help to pass it, so if they wanted to make it better they could have. I'm more than willing to do blame-sharing for a lot of our government's mistakes, but this is not one of them.

ACA had almost no compromises associated with it.

It was rushed through the system in a way that prevents actual discussion on the merits of most of the law and the impacts it would have had to the economy and society as a whole. It was not through out through so it wouldn't have any legal challenges associated with that law.

ACA was a project made by the democrats for one thing: To see how well a law can be shoved down society's throats and withstand all sorts of legal challenges associated with it.

Cheap non-answer says it all.

Thought out through.

Damn it Rooks!

Real issues? In P&R? You must be joking...

If random p n r had a official vehicle it would look like this:

Alright, page cleaned up and sent some ideas to Ack and Rooks.

W set the timetable for withdrawal. And Iraq told us to leave, go away, do not pass go, do not collect our ******* oil.

Admittedly W had few options other than ... well other than the one we used in Viet Nam and the USSR used in Afghanistan, which is to say assassination and installing a puppet. But Obama had the same choice.

And had we not invaded there would be no ISIS. So I refute your concept that Obama is the father of ISIS but I will state that W is its birth mother.

It was a painful delivery.