News From The War On Drugs

Late breaking history actually.

Report: Aide says Nixon's war on drugs targeted blacks, hippies
CNN

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The full article goes into greater depth.

Damn hippies.

It was during the cold war and the various peace movements were being funded by the Soviets. It wasn't just about "jail then blacks and hippies" but about breaking up pro-communist cells before they caused a socialist revolution. Those same leaders and groups were pushing a "tear down the US government, destroy those evil capitalistic ***" line with the intent of starting another civil war. The Soviets plans were to then use such a civil war as a reason to deploy military to the USA and "stabilize" the situation, while also converting the "liberated" territory into a communist state. The administration knew this was a problem and their solution was to use a mixture of social influence and recreational substance criminalization to stop the dissent from organizing. It worked but had long reaching negative consequences because nobody knew the true purpose. Moves and counter moves.

Of course with the dissolution of the USSR and the end of the cold war, this all become unnecessary yet by then the damage had already been done and there was great resistance against full legalization.

Go figures it takes economic reasons to overcome the social paranoia and get it fully legalized.

Times sure have changed...

Most of what's happening now is just the home grown variety of dissent and not being organized by a major enemy of the USA. The soviets were actively targeting the US's ability to conduct military operations by exploiting our open political system to foster dissent and subversion. We weren't the only ones they were doing this to. This is why you never saw "peace protests" against the communist bloc countries.

I just figured those protesters got shot.

Well any protesters would get shot, but the Peace Movements done during the cold war were largely funded by the Soviet World Peace Counsel and targeted exclusively at Western powers. Unknown to most people, the vast majority of the KGB's spending was on subversion and fostering dissent and not on espionage to steal technology or military secrets. Their methodology involved weakening a country from the inside and having a large able bodied population ready to assist them in meeting their goals.

Much of the ideology of the progressive left is leftover from this era. Soviets pushed a anti-military, anti-industrial, anti-development and anti-capitalistic ideology aimed at weakening a countries military, economy and social systems with the ultimate goal of destabilizing that country and thus making it an easy target for a socialist revolution.

That would also explain the absolution in the progressive left's thinking. Also why loyalty is praised and rewarded more than effort or ability with the progressive left.

Sorry Saevel but the CPUSA was pretty much a non factor from 1957 on.

Wilipedia

Its almost death knell came when the FBI withdrew all its double agents from the party 1977, reducing party membership by almost 1/2.

But operation solo, the main infiltration initiative, ended in 1966, a few years before Nixon.

social engineering never ends well.

Communism != socialism

war on drugs? I think the bad guys (your government) won that war... that is why almost everyone is on drugs nowadays, why there are so many drug advertisements on TV, why they are multi billion (trillion?) dollar industries, its why the shadow government is so powerful (the ones who bring the drugs into countries), why the good "drugs" that would help people are illegal / unavailable and why we have wars and why so many people get sick / hurt / die. :3

And yet every communist state has the word "socialist" written all over it's ideology.

Communism is the economic theory that communal ownership of property is a better state of society then private ownership of property. In a communist society there is no need for currency as there is no barter or trade since everyone owns everything. Socialism the mechanism of progressing from capitalism into communism through ever encroaching communal ownership of private institutions.

Socialist at it's zenith is communism. No state's ever made it that far as human nature and incentive breaks down and you end with a centrally managed tyranny where the socialist party leadership funnels all communal property into themselves.

No amount of world play or post-modern redefinition will change the reality of what socialism and communism are.

It's also why they would rather focus their resources on attacking industry and the economy rather then cleaning up environments or social programs.

Imagine if they focused the massive resources of the Liberal Democrats into social programs for the disadvantaged or education programs? Focus those resources into environmental cleanups or conservation. There is a ***ton that could be done and very little funding available for it, yet the Democrats seem hell bent on attacking Republican power sources and making industry as non-competitive as possible. Instead of trying to force the minimum wage to $15 USD an hour they could setup a social program, funded by Democrats, that people who made less then that could apply to for additional assistance. The tax incentives would make it more economically viable then raising the minimum wage to force private industry to pay for that assistance.

It's like every time there is a "environment conference" to discuss cutting fossil fuels, at gun point if need be, they all fly private jets and ride in rented limousines. Live in large homes and waste ***tons of energy, all while doing "token" gestures for publicity.

That seriously has to be the most backwards post I've ever read. Night is day. Up is down. What is happening?

I'll have some of whatever this guy is on!

Let's all hop on the ole...

Reading Saevel's posts feels a bit like listening to those people who present crystal healing power using quasi-scientific words to manipulate the less knowledgeable people.

He has great oratory skills, by all means, I envy them. If only the content was as good as the fluff.

This isn't news to any black person. We already knew the government was targeting our communities specifically to break then up and make it harder for them to succeed. It is what it is. It's not a complaint that many people claim black people are just complaining. This was an orchestrated effort to subject groups of people to mass incarceration for merely petty crimes. What's funny is, for years people have been saying the war on drugs was a huge and utter failure, but there was no response to end it. Suddenly, now that the war on drugs started affecting more whites than initially intended, they are talking about ending it. Coincidence? That right there tells me that it was a system put in place to disenfranchise a community and use the media to shame them.

You've heard people say "the man always trying to keep us down". It's a comment that invokes a bit of humor, but is not without truth. That phrase originally came from blacks and minority groups who always felt targeted by the government's and law enforcement. This only confirms what people have been thinking forever.

Also,

Accurate indeed. Prescription Thugs. Good drugs are banned and regulated, the not-so-good ones are extremely expensive and monopolized, with a huge laundry list of side effects.

what would be the point of that? just out of curiosity.

ok...so we are all evil corporate capitalist scum, driven solely by greed.... fine. but so then where is the profit to be made in keeping the black community down/poor/incarcerated? post nixon, let's say.

if you don't "succeed" then you can't afford to buy our stuff and things... seems counterproductive.

and then also if was the "governments doing" why hasn't this oppression and community targeting been reversed in the last seven years?

I'm not saying that it didn't happen or it isn't continuing...I guess I just want to know the stock symbols are of the companies that are making out like bandits off this deal so I can get in on it...

Don't you own stock in private prison companies Nik?

If not why not?

they're tanking.

prison stocks fall

Prison-industrial complex...

Because Private Prisons is big business. Its not counterproductive at all. Keeping a group poor/oppressed/incarcerated is a dual-purpose method: It gives people a group to blame when there is a problem. Blame the poor people when crime rises. Blame the poor people when taxes increase, because they're sucking up all the resources. Blame the...you get the idea. Even quoted above, Nixon's aide clearly said the objective was to use the media to vilify the minority groups who weren't for the war/black. Its a system, and it absolutely does make money to keep one group of people at the bottom so that those at the top level can keep stealing from them. And then when they speak out against it? "You're just complaining! get a job and stop being lazy".

But I want to be clear here. I'm not concocting some government conspiracy, I'm just stating plain facts. You can choose to believe it or not, even though the articles above affirm as much. But the oldest trick in the book by governments or people of power is to isolate groups on the bottom away from each other and keep them busy fighting each other, while the guy at the top is getting over on both of them. And the war on drugs is just a system to criminalize normal behavior amongst citizens.

I read the article and I understand the theory but I don't see the big profits looking at the stock market and a few of the for profit prison corporations that I checked quickly...

CCA, the example I posted earlier, their stock is tanking and their profits suck.

I'm not saying you are a conspiracy theorist. I'm looking for some hard data in the form of dollars and cents to back it up.

stock ticker symbol, company name, web site link, anything at all really.

You could just as easily do a google search of "Private Prison Owners/revenue" to find that data. Just in two searches I found these sites:

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/20880-for-profit-prisons-eight-statistics-that-show-the-problems

And the top revenue ranked companies benefitting from Prisons:
http://www.attn.com/stories/941/who-profits-from-prisoners

The articles on truth and motherjones also indicate that prison inmantes are forced into labor which, in short, produces many items for the military and beyond for practically pennies. Basically slavery. Yes, the 13th amendment never really abolished that, since the Prison system works in tandem with it.

You'd have to either be extremely blind or blatantly ignorant to not see the billions of dollars being attributed to mass incarceration. Not saying you're either of those. You seem to be an information digger just looking for metrics. If you find any, share :D