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By Triffle 2016-03-19 10:51:55
The Democrats don't have an ideological position that is at odds with the modern world. I'm not a dem or gop supporter. I like and dislike them equally.
I can tolerate the things I dislike about the Democrates because their policies don't put my life, and that of my children, in danger.
I can't sleep easy at night about the things the republicans are trying to push through because it will mean WWIII, a neo-feudal age of ignorance, "1984", an end to civil liberties and a return to race wars.
WWIII? Just like with the other world wars, I guarantee it won't be the U.S. that starts it, Republican president or not.
Neo-feudalism? Might want to check how well our current Democrat president is doing with narrowing the wealth gap.
1984? Who's advocating for forced equality and speech restriction the most?
End to civil liberties? Remind me which side fights the hardest to preserve the constitution.
Return to race wars? Donald Trump didn't start that. Try looking at our racially-divisive president's rhetoric first.
Your president did quite well considering he was barely able to do anything with the current GOP who tried to stop anything he sets in motion. Back in the day both parties at least came up with things that both sides could work on, but in Obama's last two terms every thing he proposed was attempted to be blocked with a hissy fit by the baby brigade. Why bother trying to improve on stuff when you can throw a tantrum right?
Hell they shut down your government for a while because they didn't get their way. Wonder why that is with only your current President?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-03-19 11:02:10
Hell they shut down your government for a while because they didn't get their way. Wonder why that is with only your current President?
List of modern government shutdowns:
•2013 (President Barack Obama): Oct. 1 to Oct. 17 - 16 days
•1995-1996 (President Bill Clinton): December 5, 1995, to January 6, 1996, - 21 days
•1995 (President Bill Clinton): Nov. 13 to 19 - 5 days
•1990 (President George H.W. Bush): October 5 to 9 - 3 days
•1987 (President Ronald Reagan): December 18 to December 20 - 1 day
•1986 (President Ronald Reagan): October 16 to October 18 - 1 day
•1984 (President Ronald Reagan): October 3 to October 5 - 1 day
•1984 (President Ronald Reagan): September 30 to October 3 - 2 days
•1983 (President Ronald Reagan): November 10 to November 14 - 3 days
•1982 (President Ronald Reagan): December 17 to December 21 - 3 days
•1982 (President Ronald Reagan): September 30 to October 2 - 1 day
•1981 (President Ronald Reagan): November 20 to November 23 - 2 days
•1979 (President Jimmy Carter): September 30 to October 12 - 11 days
•1978 (President Jimmy Carter): September 30 to October 18 18 days
•1977 (President Jimmy Carter): November 30 to December 9 - 8 days
•1977 (President Jimmy Carter): October 31 to November 9 - 8 days
•1977 (President Jimmy Carter): September 30 to October 13 - 12 days
•1976 (President Gerald Ford): September 30 to October 11 - 10 days
I didn't know Barack Obama had that many names.
By Blazed1979 2016-03-19 14:01:10
The Democrats don't have an ideological position that is at odds with the modern world. I'm not a dem or gop supporter. I like and dislike them equally.
I can tolerate the things I dislike about the Democrates because their policies don't put my life, and that of my children, in danger.
I can't sleep easy at night about the things the republicans are trying to push through because it will mean WWIII, a neo-feudal age of ignorance, "1984", an end to civil liberties and a return to race wars.
WWIII? Just like with the other world wars, I guarantee it won't be the U.S. that starts it, Republican president or not.
Neo-feudalism? Might want to check how well our current Democrat president is doing with narrowing the wealth gap.
1984? Who's advocating for forced equality and speech restriction the most?
End to civil liberties? Remind me which side fights the hardest to preserve the constitution.
Return to race wars? Donald Trump didn't start that. Try looking at our racially-divisive president's rhetoric first.
I don't want to go into a history lesson here, so lets just look at the most recent example of the Republicans "defending" the constitution; didn't they just threaten to ***-block whoever Obama nominates as a justice in the supreme court? Despite it being the constitutional duty of the executive branch to do such?
Was it Obama that introduced the patriot act? The single worst assault on the american constitution ever.
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By Odin.Slore 2016-03-19 14:24:39
The Democrats don't have an ideological position that is at odds with the modern world. I'm not a dem or gop supporter. I like and dislike them equally.
I can tolerate the things I dislike about the Democrates because their policies don't put my life, and that of my children, in danger.
I can't sleep easy at night about the things the republicans are trying to push through because it will mean WWIII, a neo-feudal age of ignorance, "1984", an end to civil liberties and a return to race wars.
WWIII? Just like with the other world wars, I guarantee it won't be the U.S. that starts it, Republican president or not.
Neo-feudalism? Might want to check how well our current Democrat president is doing with narrowing the wealth gap.
1984? Who's advocating for forced equality and speech restriction the most?
End to civil liberties? Remind me which side fights the hardest to preserve the constitution.
Return to race wars? Donald Trump didn't start that. Try looking at our racially-divisive president's rhetoric first.
I don't want to go into a history lesson here, so lets just look at the most recent example of the Republicans "defending" the constitution; didn't they just threaten to ***-block whoever Obama nominates as a justice in the supreme court? Despite it being the constitutional duty of the executive branch to do such?
Was it Obama that introduced the patriot act? The single worst assault on the american constitution ever.
Joe Biden rule was a democrat push to block supreme court nominees in an election year that actually had the support of then Sen. Obama. Now when it is used against democrats they cry about the same damn thing they did to Bush...... the irony is outstanding
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By Altimaomega 2016-03-19 14:25:58
Anyone else notice that all the left leaning people the past page and a half have zero clue wtf they are talking about?
It is pretty damn scary tbh.
I had some rebuttals typed up but.. What good will they do when these people seem to actively try and not understand anything other than their own personal biased rants.
This is exactly why Trump is leading right now, because the right would rather have ANYONE that does not have a (D) behind their name as President. Since you all want to compare Trump to Hitler and Mussolini. If you put them both on a ticket and ran them against a Hillary/Bernie ticket they would probably win in this political climate.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-03-19 14:26:39
The Democrats don't have an ideological position that is at odds with the modern world. I'm not a dem or gop supporter. I like and dislike them equally.
I can tolerate the things I dislike about the Democrates because their policies don't put my life, and that of my children, in danger.
I can't sleep easy at night about the things the republicans are trying to push through because it will mean WWIII, a neo-feudal age of ignorance, "1984", an end to civil liberties and a return to race wars.
WWIII? Just like with the other world wars, I guarantee it won't be the U.S. that starts it, Republican president or not.
Neo-feudalism? Might want to check how well our current Democrat president is doing with narrowing the wealth gap.
1984? Who's advocating for forced equality and speech restriction the most?
End to civil liberties? Remind me which side fights the hardest to preserve the constitution.
Return to race wars? Donald Trump didn't start that. Try looking at our racially-divisive president's rhetoric first.
I don't want to go into a history lesson here, so lets just look at the most recent example of the Republicans "defending" the constitution; didn't they just threaten to ***-block whoever Obama nominates as a justice in the supreme court? Despite it being the constitutional duty of the executive branch to do such?
Was it Obama that introduced the patriot act? The single worst assault on the american constitution ever.
There is nothing unconstitutional about a blanket rejection of whoever Obama nominates. It is Obama's duty to select someone and the Senate's job to say yea or nay. Is what they're doing petty? Absolutely. Welcome to Congress.
As for the Patriot Act, it really doesn't matter who introduced it. Why? Because there was overwhelming bipartisan support for it. Party lines started to divide on the issue long after the fact. If it was just a Republican/Democrat thing the Dems would have done away with it as soon as Obama took office. Instead, Obama keeps extending it. Who seems to be fighting the hardest against it? Republican Rand Paul.
By Altimaomega 2016-03-19 14:27:23
Joe Biden rule was a democrat push to block supreme court nominees in an election year that actually had the support of then Sen. Obama. Now when it is used against democrats they cry about the same damn thing they did to Bush...... the irony is outstanding
No sense arguing with these people they have zero clue what they are talking about. They would argue that the sun is cold if it fit their agenda.
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By Altimaomega 2016-03-19 14:28:52
Rand Paul for Presid... wel. fu... Guess we are voting Trump.. fml..
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2016-03-19 16:31:43
whoever we get we're *** we either get crazy teeth sanders, molten gelatinous fat pocket clinton, or the guy who will likely give us leaps and bounds in fiscal recovery only to end the u.s lol
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2016-03-19 16:53:55
all the left leaning people the past page and a half have zero clue wtf they are talking about No sense arguing with these people they have zero clue what they are talking about.
Move along guys, just Altima thinking he's winning the internet again.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2016-03-19 17:05:28
Quote: No sense arguing with these people they have zero clue what they are talking about. They would argue that the sun is cold if it fit their agenda.
isn't this the sort of post that you were bitching about democrats etc getting away with and that if you posted it the ffxiah gestapo would ban you instantly?
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By Odin.Slore 2016-03-19 17:21:11
Quote: No sense arguing with these people they have zero clue what they are talking about. They would argue that the sun is cold if it fit their agenda.
isn't this the sort of post that you were bitching about democrats etc getting away with and that if you posted it the ffxiah gestapo would ban you instantly?
He does have a point though. People complaining about Republicans doing the exact same thing democrats did and the liberals see no problem with it. It makes me wanna smash things when I read hypocrisy like that. Like do a little research and make sure your party hasn't done exactly what your bitching about the other party doing now.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2016-03-19 17:31:20
to be fair i'm not affiliated with any party they are all equally inept in my eyes and the true reason why democracy has no chance in hell of ever working
By Altimaomega 2016-03-19 18:26:43
Quote: No sense arguing with these people they have zero clue what they are talking about. They would argue that the sun is cold if it fit their agenda.
isn't this the sort of post that you were bitching about democrats etc getting away with and that if you posted it the ffxiah gestapo would ban you instantly?
Very little, if any hypocrisy is coming from the right leaning posters on this site. The left keeps bringing up the same old proven wrong multiple times arguments over and over hoping for a different outcome.
Answering your question. Yes, it sort of is the kind of post I was bitching about. I guess with reading so much hypocrisy, it has rubbed off. Although, it is not near as vulgar as the posts coming from our tolerant left thinking posters.
It makes me wanna smash things when I read hypocrisy like that. +20
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-03-19 20:40:21
Quote: No sense arguing with these people they have zero clue what they are talking about. They would argue that the sun is cold if it fit their agenda. isn't this the sort of post that you were bitching about democrats etc getting away with and that if you posted it the ffxiah gestapo would ban you instantly? He does have a point though. People complaining about Republicans doing the exact same thing democrats did and the liberals see no problem with it. It makes me wanna smash things when I read hypocrisy like that. Like do a little research and make sure your party hasn't done exactly what your bitching about the other party doing now. It is far from the exact same thing. Sure Dems filibustered Alioto, but they had the hearings and eventually approved him.
The GOP refuses to consider any Obama appointee.
Obama REALLY should have made a recess appointment of a fine, but known liberal, jurist, preferably retired.
By Altimaomega 2016-03-19 23:22:28
Lets wait and see if they actually don't hold the hearings. You say the GOP like they all are in lock step, which is far from the case.
If Obama would have made a recess appointment in the brief time that was available, not even before the body was in the ground it would have been political mayhem. Which is exactly why he didn't. He did exactly what anyone with half a brain expected him to do.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2016-03-20 00:28:02
Lets wait and see if they actually don't hold the hearings. You say the GOP like they all are in lock step, which is far from the case.
If Obama would have made a recess appointment in the brief time that was available, not even before the body was in the ground it would have been political mayhem. Which is exactly why he didn't. He did exactly what anyone with half a brain expected him to do.
They're not all lock step, but doing anything seen as Obama-positive will ruin you. Just ask Christie. He was the darling candidate but after Hurricane Sandy he's done as a popular Republican.
By Altimaomega 2016-03-20 00:47:08
lmao no, he wasn't. Why are you even bringing up Christie he has nothing to do with anything being discussed here? smh..
By Altimaomega 2016-03-20 00:57:15
No, for the hundredth time, you cannot have my babies Seha.. Stop stalking me!
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2016-03-20 01:57:55
lmao no, he wasn't. Why are you even bringing up Christie he has nothing to do with anything being discussed here? smh..
Christie was being asked to run in 2012, a LOT, as the better alternative to the clowns running.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/01/how-chris-christie-lost-his-way/448989/
But then Christie started cozying to the democrats, and you just can't do that with the current Republican party.
If he hadn't become so unpopular in the last couple of years he would've been seen as the "sensible" version of Trump.
And the reason I mention him is because you talk about Republicans not being lockstep behind the party, but if you try to get along with the Democratic party the Republicans will tell you to *** right off and Christie is a prime example of that.
By Altimaomega 2016-03-20 11:48:20
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but when I speak of Republicans not being lockstep I am speaking of Conservatives like Cruz.
Cristie is and always has been part of the GOP establishment, sorry that you are not able to see that. Obama and sandy just helped show people exactly how he operates.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2016-03-20 14:42:16
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but when I speak of Republicans not being lockstep I am speaking of Conservatives like Cruz.
Cristie is and always has been part of the GOP establishment, sorry that you are not able to see that. Obama and sandy just helped show people exactly how he operates.
Not being able to work with democrats is FROM the Cruz part of the Republican party. So while R's aren't all lockstep on all issues, when it comes to working with the D's they absolutely are lockstep, and that's from the Tea Party.
By Altimaomega 2016-03-20 18:34:21
You've lost me....
We Conservative Republicans (Ted Cruz) do not want to work with Democrats or the GOP, which Christie has always been a member of.
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By Odin.Slore 2016-03-20 18:37:56
Trump is still the best option of working together.
By Altimaomega 2016-03-20 18:39:59
Which is why I would rather back Cruz.
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By Odin.Slore 2016-03-20 19:09:28
You want more of the same?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-03-20 19:12:17
What's wrong with working together?
I mean, our current divide can be attributed to Obama and his lack of leadership. Why can't we, you know, change that?
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By Odin.Slore 2016-03-20 19:21:41
That is why I favor Trump, I would consider myself "to the right" but I am far from tea party. I like alot of Trumps positions on things like abortion, Immigration and trade. Only downside I would say about him is he needs to release more info, like economic plan etc.
By ScaevolaBahamut 2016-03-20 19:52:42
all the left leaning people the past page and a half have zero clue wtf they are talking about No sense arguing with these people they have zero clue what they are talking about.
Move along guys, just Altima thinking he's winning the internet again.
Let's dispel with this fiction that the liberals in the past page and a half know what they are talking about.
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Alabama Republicans File Bill To Take Away Food Stamps If You Own A Car
Occupy Democrats - Liberal if you hadn't guessed.
The article has links.
Quote: Alabama Republicans are escalating their war against the poor, wasting precious state resources in a relentless campaign to make life harder for the people of Alabama. Sen. Arthur Orr (R-Decatur) has just proposed a new bill that would prevent people from receiving food stamps or financial support if they own cars and caps the number of years for assistance from five to three. “We want to get people working back in the workforce and not hanging out for public benefits because they can” drawled Orr, perpetuating the cruel myth that welfare recipients are simply lazy moochers – where in fact, two out of three welfare recipients are children, single mothers, or elderly. It would also require new photo IDs for EBT cards, the cost of which would run more than $10 million, and adds another layer of hoops for potential recipients to jump through before they can receive benefits – so much for small government.
The astonishingly heartless move was met with horror from Senate Democrats, one of whom, Sen. Roger Smitherman (D-Birmingham) was literally pounding the table in fury. “I’m going to do whatever I can to stop this. I am not going to let you do this to these people. I am not going to let people starve” he railed.
It’s particularly hurtful because it would force families to choose between being able to take their kids to school or being able to feed them. Worse, the bill assumes that people are simply waiting for jobs – but with a state 6.2% unemployment rate and some county rates reaching a shocking 15.3%, the jobs simply aren’t there. Possibly because – shocker – Republican rule has utterly gutted the budget with tax cuts and they now face a $200 million hole, which they are now trying to fill by cutting public services (like closing 31 DMVs in black areas) and killing government jobs.
Kimble Forrister, the executive director of nonprofit Alabama Arise points out that the bill won’t actually save any money, and does nothing but shame the poor and make their lives worse. “If you save money on benefits, all you can do is spend the money on other TANF recipients” she said.
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