Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
There is no 100% driver
Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
I think you are asking for a 100% answer again Altima.
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: » There is no 100% driver Asura.Floppyseconds said: » I think you are asking for a 100% answer again Altima. I'm kind of torn on the whole thing. If the driverless cars are shown to be statistically superior in terms of accident prevention, it wouldn't make much sense to oppose it. Additionally, if the programmers are approaching this correctly and utilize things like Bayesian artificial intelligence, the programs would actually get "smarter" the more they're used, driving the accident rates down even further and perhaps even making driverless cars safer by several orders of magnitude.
On the other hand, the biggest problem with this technology is, well, people. Trying to program this in a bubble is difficult but, as Altima said, holy crap will there be lawsuits whenever anything goes wrong in the real world. Security will also be an issue, as there will always be jackwads trying to hack your car or finding ways to exploit the systems. It's a huge risk for investors. Offline
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It's a huge risk for everyone. For what? So you can nap while "driving"..
Bahamut.Ravael said: » If the driverless cars are shown to be statistically superior in terms of accident prevention, it wouldn't make much sense to oppose it. Car companies have already had issues with malfunctioning cars that have maimed and killed people through no fault of the driver.
Those car companies still exist. Security is -and always will be- an ongoing issue in every industry that utilizes any type of technology. Airlines, pacemaker companies, credit card companies, and garage door companies have all had to deal with this. Those companies still exist. Altimaomega said: » Asura.Floppyseconds said: » There is no 100% driver This what insurance is for. Altimaomega said: » It's a huge risk for everyone. For what? So you can nap while "driving".. Bahamut.Ravael said: » If the driverless cars are shown to be statistically superior in terms of accident prevention, it wouldn't make much sense to oppose it. Bahamut.Kara said: » From your OP Quote: Turns out, though, their accident rates are twice as high as for regular cars, according to a study by the University of Michigan’s Transportation Research Institute in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Driverless vehicles have never been at fault, the study found: They’re usually hit from behind in slow-speed crashes by inattentive or aggressive humans unaccustomed to machine motorists that always follow the rules and proceed with caution. The problem is humans. Offline
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Bahamut.Kara said: » Car companies have already had issues with malfunctioning cars that have maimed and killed people through no fault of the driver. Those car companies still exist. And it has cost them millions if not billions of dollars. You really think that cost hasn't been past down the line? Offline
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Bahamut.Kara said: » Altimaomega said: » It's a huge risk for everyone. For what? So you can nap while "driving".. Bahamut.Ravael said: » If the driverless cars are shown to be statistically superior in terms of accident prevention, it wouldn't make much sense to oppose it. Bahamut.Kara said: » From your OP Quote: Turns out, though, their accident rates are twice as high as for regular cars, according to a study by the University of Michigan’s Transportation Research Institute in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Driverless vehicles have never been at fault, the study found: They’re usually hit from behind in slow-speed crashes by inattentive or aggressive humans unaccustomed to machine motorists that always follow the rules and proceed with caution. The problem is humans. Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. Bahamut.Milamber said: » This what insurance is for. Altimaomega said: » Bahamut.Kara said: » Car companies have already had issues with malfunctioning cars that have maimed and killed people through no fault of the driver. Those car companies still exist. And it has cost them millions if not billions of dollars. You really think that cost hasn't been past down the line? Do you think we should stop driving cars because people sue? Offline
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Bahamut.Kara said: » Altimaomega said: » Bahamut.Kara said: » Car companies have already had issues with malfunctioning cars that have maimed and killed people through no fault of the driver. Those car companies still exist. And it has cost them millions if not billions of dollars. You really think that cost hasn't been past down the line? Do you think we should stop driving cars because people sue? Altimaomega said: » Bahamut.Kara said: » Altimaomega said: » It's a huge risk for everyone. For what? So you can nap while "driving".. Bahamut.Ravael said: » If the driverless cars are shown to be statistically superior in terms of accident prevention, it wouldn't make much sense to oppose it. Bahamut.Kara said: » From your OP Quote: Turns out, though, their accident rates are twice as high as for regular cars, according to a study by the University of Michigan’s Transportation Research Institute in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Driverless vehicles have never been at fault, the study found: They’re usually hit from behind in slow-speed crashes by inattentive or aggressive humans unaccustomed to machine motorists that always follow the rules and proceed with caution. The problem is humans. Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. Quote: The problem is humans. Altimaomega said: » Bahamut.Kara said: » Altimaomega said: » Bahamut.Kara said: » Car companies have already had issues with malfunctioning cars that have maimed and killed people through no fault of the driver. Those car companies still exist. And it has cost them millions if not billions of dollars. You really think that cost hasn't been past down the line? Do you think we should stop driving cars because people sue? Sure, all car companies get lawsuits. But as it stands they're not held liable for each and every crash. When it's their systems doing the driving, it's going to get more tricky. I'm not saying it's impossible to make it work, but it's certainly not the status quo as you seem to be implying.
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Bahamut.Kara said: » Yes.... Quote: The problem is humans. Bahamut.Ravael said: » Sure, all car companies get lawsuits. But as it stands they're not held liable for each and every crash. When it's their systems doing the driving, it's going to get more tricky. I'm not saying it's impossible to make it work, but it's certainly not the status quo as you seem to be implying. However, ignoring -for example- VW having cars in the 70's combust or goodyear tires cause accidents in the 90's -that would otherwise not have happened- to illustrate that driverless cars will somehow have new lawsuits is ignoring a lot of cases where car companies/tire companies have already been at fault for causing damage, maiming, and death. I'm not saying driverless cars will not undergo lawsuits (of course they will), but acting like this will be anything new (car companies held accountable for mistakes in their design) is silly. Altimaomega said: » Bahamut.Kara said: » Yes.... Quote: The problem is humans. Humans caused the accidents get not the driverless cars. The human drivers involved got the tickets or were sued, not the driverless car companies. Offline
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Bahamut.Kara said: » I'm not saying driverless cars will not undergo lawsuits (of course they will), but acting like this will be anything new (car companies held accountable for mistakes in their design) is silly. Acting like it isn't something new is unbelievable. Two humans get in an accident, one or both is responsible. One AI car kills a human, or worst yet causes a massive pile-up and multiple deaths. Who is responsible for that? Saying the owner of the AI car is unacceptable. Offline
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Bahamut.Kara said: » Quoting a stat that driverless cars have twice as many accidents as normal cars but not pointing out the stat that they have never been at faul is -at best- misleading. Humans caused the accidents get not the driverless cars. The human drivers involved got the tickets or were sued, not the driverless car companies. Why do you not understand that if those driverless cars had a real driver, NO accident would have even occurred! Why does this not register in your mind? Altimaomega said: » Bahamut.Kara said: » Quoting a stat that driverless cars have twice as many accidents as normal cars but not pointing out the stat that they have never been at faul is -at best- misleading. Humans caused the accidents get not the driverless cars. The human drivers involved got the tickets or were sued, not the driverless car companies. Why do you not understand that if those driverless cars had a real driver, NO accident would have even occurred! Why does this not register in your mind? Offline
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Bahamut.Milamber said: » Because it is an utterly unsubstantiated claim? You could just as well have said that all of the incidents would have ended in fatalities. Altimaomega said: » Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. Bahamut.Milamber said: » all of the incidents would have ended in fatalities. Bahamut.Milamber said: » is an utterly unsubstantiated claim Altimaomega said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Because it is an utterly unsubstantiated claim? You could just as well have said that all of the incidents would have ended in fatalities. Altimaomega said: » Altimaomega said: » Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. Bahamut.Milamber said: » Ravael, want to take this one? Correlation, causation, false comparison, etc. I was holding off on that one until I actually knew what the reasoning behind the double rate was. If none of those accidents were caused by the driverless cars, that's a very good sign. I know I've avoided accidents simply because of human intuition, though. It'll be interesting to see how they deal with random acts of unpredictable human stupidity. Bahamut.Ravael said: » It'll be interesting to see how they deal with random acts of unpredictable human stupidity. I'm surprised that the accident rate isn't at least quattuordecuple the rate. Bahamut.Ravael said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Ravael, want to take this one? Correlation, causation, false comparison, etc. I was holding off on that one until I actually knew what the reasoning behind the double rate was. If none of those accidents were caused by the driverless cars, that's a very good sign. I know I've avoided accidents simply because of human intuition, though. It'll be interesting to see how they deal with random acts of unpredictable human stupidity. I really don't care if there's more accidents as long as those accidents result in fewer fatalities and serious injuries. Fender benders dealing in little to no serious-to-fatal injuries are a system that can be hammered out and tweaked until it's right. But the second the system actually becomes one that keeps our goods and people moving and is less lethal it's a system worth adopting. Ramyrez said: » I really don't care if there's more accidents as long as those accidents result in fewer fatalities and serious injuries. I'm clearly discussing use in a practical fashion similar to the way we already utilize vehicles. -.-;
Ramyrez said: » I'm clearly discussing use in a practical fashion similar to the way we already utilize vehicles. -.-; If the technology is made standard itd be totally amazing: But until then, youll have driverless cars senselessly being the targets of accidents cause people are still at the wheel of their car being inept as *** on how to operate a motor vehicle.
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