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By Altimaomega 2015-12-07 23:54:35  
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
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Just use cash dude.
I'd have to look it up, but did you know there's actually a bunch of politicians who want to remove the use of cash?

Would it happen to be the same group that want to remove the use of guns?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-12-08 00:02:50  
Altimaomega said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
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Just use cash dude.
I'd have to look it up, but did you know there's actually a bunch of politicians who want to remove the use of cash?

Would it happen to be the same group that want to remove the use of guns?
There may be some overlap.
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By Altimaomega 2015-12-08 00:07:06  
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-12-08 02:19:16  
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
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Just use cash dude.
I'd have to look it up, but did you know there's actually a bunch of politicians who want to remove the use of cash?
I'm not sure any politicians endorse it but there have been several papers written by prominent economists that recommend it. example

Politicians who endorse monitoring all transactions for terrorism (data mining) will probably endorse it.

So, that pretty much covers both major political parties.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-12-08 02:32:23  
It may have been a similar news article I saw and business that are trying to cashless too.

I'm sure politicians that would endorse it would claim that it would help fight terrorism too though.
 
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By Jetackuu 2015-12-08 07:14:04  
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Clearly it is part of it.

As always though Jet. I like you and we just have different opinions.
However, you do *** all at standing by your claims besides essentially a "that's how it is".
I've been busy.
 
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-12-08 10:33:27  
Lakshmi.Zerowone said: »
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I still don't know how regulations on new gun sales will effect guns that people current own and the ones already out there.

A database of people who own guns... isn't that like creating a database of people who practice a specific religion?
More like a database on what you buy at the grocery store based off product scans.
This exists. And the FBI collects it from POS terminals in real time.

Altimaomega said: »
Just use cash dude.
Again, we agree.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-12-08 14:22:38  
People are being silly if they fear that their information about what they purchase really matters to the government. Or by making such purchases with a credit card, they are automatically in some database where the government will use that information to blackmail use it against them later on in life.

Who the *** cares what sort of information the government has on you? As long as it's not illegal, why bother? Even if it is illegal, why aren't you arrested yet?
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By Altimaomega 2015-12-08 14:30:27  
Why does the government have the right to collect any information on me at all? The whole illegal - legal does not matter. Letting simple freedoms go to the government only invites them to further degrade them in the future.

The word fear is also being misused here, angry would work better.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2015-12-08 14:39:41  
Altimaomega said: »
Why does the government have the right to collect any information on me at all? The whole illegal - legal does not matter. Letting simple freedoms go to the government only invites them to further degrade them in the future.

The word fear is also being misused here, angry would work better.

While I'm loathe to agree with Altima, I can see his point to some degree. However Terrorism - In order to hold information on people who are risks, they need to hold info on everyone to avoid discrimination laws, it also helps their programmes define outside of Normal results for "flagged people" so they can ID them quicker.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-12-08 14:48:13  
Altimaomega said: »
Why does the government have the right to collect any information on me at all? The whole illegal - legal does not matter. Letting simple freedoms go to the government only invites them to further degrade them in the future.

The word fear is also being misused here, angry would work better.
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While I'm loathe to agree with Altima, I can see his point to some degree. However Terrorism - In order to hold information on people who are risks, they need to hold info on everyone to avoid discrimination laws, it also helps their programmes define outside of Normal results for "flagged people" so they can ID them quicker.
To answer both of you at the same time:

The US government has more information from you that you voluntarily give than what they get from 3rd parties (aka credit card banks and the such).

Filed a tax return? Got your information.
Was born in the US? Got your information.
Applied to college? Got your information.
Got a drivers licence? Got your information.
Worked for anyone? Got your information.

The federal government already have all the goods on you regardless on what you use to buy ***, so why bother altering your lifestyle because you are afraid (and yes, I'm using the word correctly here) that they might care enough to look at what you buy.

It's the same irrational fear people have for using GPS in their vehicles, afraid that the government is keeping tabs on them. Like anyone gives a ***.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2015-12-08 14:51:52  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Why does the government have the right to collect any information on me at all? The whole illegal - legal does not matter. Letting simple freedoms go to the government only invites them to further degrade them in the future.

The word fear is also being misused here, angry would work better.
Cerberus.Conagh said: »
While I'm loathe to agree with Altima, I can see his point to some degree. However Terrorism - In order to hold information on people who are risks, they need to hold info on everyone to avoid discrimination laws, it also helps their programmes define outside of Normal results for "flagged people" so they can ID them quicker.
To answer both of you at the same time:

The US government has more information from you that you voluntarily give than what they get from 3rd parties (aka credit card banks and the such).

Filed a tax return? Got your information.
Was born in the US? Got your information.
Applied to college? Got your information.
Got a drivers licence? Got your information.
Worked for anyone? Got your information.

The federal government already have all the goods on you regardless on what you use to buy ***, so why bother altering your lifestyle because you are afraid (and yes, I'm using the word correctly here) that they might care enough to look at what you buy.

It's the same irrational fear people have for using GPS in their vehicles, afraid that the government is keeping tabs on them. Like anyone gives a ***.

I personally have no issue if they know my information, I work in <Some sector> where I don't have to fear my government, namely because lolCameronisapussy.

Now if they wanted my Penis size, I'd have an issue.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-12-08 14:52:46  
Cerberus.Conagh said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Altimaomega said: »
Why does the government have the right to collect any information on me at all? The whole illegal - legal does not matter. Letting simple freedoms go to the government only invites them to further degrade them in the future.

The word fear is also being misused here, angry would work better.
Cerberus.Conagh said: »
While I'm loathe to agree with Altima, I can see his point to some degree. However Terrorism - In order to hold information on people who are risks, they need to hold info on everyone to avoid discrimination laws, it also helps their programmes define outside of Normal results for "flagged people" so they can ID them quicker.
To answer both of you at the same time:

The US government has more information from you that you voluntarily give than what they get from 3rd parties (aka credit card banks and the such).

Filed a tax return? Got your information.
Was born in the US? Got your information.
Applied to college? Got your information.
Got a drivers licence? Got your information.
Worked for anyone? Got your information.

The federal government already have all the goods on you regardless on what you use to buy ***, so why bother altering your lifestyle because you are afraid (and yes, I'm using the word correctly here) that they might care enough to look at what you buy.

It's the same irrational fear people have for using GPS in their vehicles, afraid that the government is keeping tabs on them. Like anyone gives a ***.

I personally have no issue if they know my information, I work in <Some sector> where I don't have to fear my government, namely because lolCameronisapussy.

Now if they wanted my Penis size, I'd have an issue.
Odds are, they already have it, especially if you posted it on Facebook.
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By Ramyrez 2015-12-08 14:54:40  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
It's the same irrational fear people have for using GPS in their vehicles, afraid that the government is keeping tabs on them. Like anyone gives a ***.

This is really the crux of it for me.

NSA is on my phone or computer? Congrats, you're watching the porn I like and I hope you enjoy listening to a bunch of eclectic *** music while I play video games, because that's what's on tap.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2015-12-08 15:02:09  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Odds are, they already have it, especially if you posted it on Facebook.

Damn it, I knew I shouldn't have gotten that tattoo across the side of it and then shared it.
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By Ramyrez 2015-12-08 15:03:39  
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It is not possible to monitor everyone. Which is what people think the government is doing. People aren't that special and need to relax. No one is watching porn with you even though it is a great bonding experience. :P
Look how they couldn't even monitor someone radicalized for awhile before even going off on a rampage.
Too many fish in the net.

Well obviously.

Point is, even if they turn it to the Rammie Channel, they're going to be more uncomfortable than I am as we mutually take part in my perfectly legal, morally bankrupt lifestyle.
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By Altimaomega 2015-12-08 15:08:41  
Cerberus.Conagh said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Odds are, they already have it, especially if you posted it on Facebook.

Damn it, I knew I shouldn't have gotten that tattoo across the side of it and then shared it.

So that is where you got the tattoo of a foot long ruler.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-12-08 15:18:11  
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Asura.Floppyseconds said: »
It is not possible to monitor everyone. Which is what people think the government is doing. People aren't that special and need to relax. No one is watching porn with you even though it is a great bonding experience. :P
Look how they couldn't even monitor someone radicalized for awhile before even going off on a rampage.
Too many fish in the net.

Well obviously.

Point is, even if they turn it to the Rammie Channel, they're going to be more uncomfortable than I am as we mutually take part in my perfectly legal, morally bankrupt lifestyle.
Would you show your mother your porn history? Why or why not?
 
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By Ramyrez 2015-12-08 15:23:54  
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Would you show your mother your porn history? Why or why not?

Well she inadvertently saw a time or two when I was younger anyhow, but that's one of the joys of having grown up before internet smut. Some guys forget to close browser windows, some guys neatly tuck their skin mags in a sock drawer and mom decides to be nice and put their clothes away for them.

Ehh. It was a different time.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-12-08 15:24:45  
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Would you show your mother your porn history? Why or why not?

Well she inadvertently saw a time or two when I was younger anyhow, but that's one of the joys of having grown up before internet smut. Some guys forget to close browser windows, some guys neatly tuck their skin mags in a sock drawer and mom decides to be nice and put their clothes away for them.

Ehh. It was a different time.

So I'll take that as a no?
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By Ramyrez 2015-12-08 15:25:38  
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No one, including the government. Cares about anyones porn history.

MindGeek cares. MindGeek cares a lot.

Look into them sometime.

There is a real secret power in the world.
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By Ramyrez 2015-12-08 15:26:56  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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Would you show your mother your porn history? Why or why not?

Well she inadvertently saw a time or two when I was younger anyhow, but that's one of the joys of having grown up before internet smut. Some guys forget to close browser windows, some guys neatly tuck their skin mags in a sock drawer and mom decides to be nice and put their clothes away for them.

Ehh. It was a different time.

So I'll take that as a no?

The entire concept is a bit flawed. But if it's "yeah, she sees this or something big nasty and bad happens," fine, whatever. She can see my browsing history in it's full, boob-laden entirety if she really wants.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-12-08 15:37:03  
Ramyrez said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Would you show your mother your porn history? Why or why not?

Well she inadvertently saw a time or two when I was younger anyhow, but that's one of the joys of having grown up before internet smut. Some guys forget to close browser windows, some guys neatly tuck their skin mags in a sock drawer and mom decides to be nice and put their clothes away for them.

Ehh. It was a different time.

So I'll take that as a no?

The entire concept is a bit flawed. But if it's "yeah, she sees this or something big nasty and bad happens," fine, whatever. She can see my browsing history in it's full, boob-laden entirety if she really wants.
In all honesty, she might want to know where it came from so she can go look up some good ***herself.

At least, that's how my father is.

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By Phoenix.Erics 2015-12-08 15:48:45  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Would you show your mother your porn history? Why or why not?
I wouldnt actively force her to look at it but i wouldnt care if she knew what i looked at, because i'm a grown up and there's nothing shameful about sexual exploration/kinks. I do believe people should make important decisions based on if their parents/person(s) they respect would approve. However, i don't believe this should be used as a shaming technique to make people rethink harmless things they enjoy.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-12-08 15:50:00  
If you don't do anything illegal you shouldn't care about what the government knows about you. If anything you should be glad they know everything about those who do illegal things.

If you do illegal things too...well, good riddance.
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