Trump Talk™

Oh how quickly we forgot poor Cecil. Better shoot another lion.

Every time I think of Cecil I imagine a Lion with a Dark Knight helmet on.

Funny that I mentioned this, there's a show mentioning this on History Channel atm.

Somehow this is oddly appropriate for Trump talk.

TLC, History, Science...all stations intended for learning and enrichment, the endless possibilities of expanding knowledge available to them.

And they instead devolve into reality television and utter nonsense because that's what the viewing public prefers.

Is it any wonder this is what our election looks like?

Ugh.

You mean 'divulge' right?

But yeah, I don't mind American Pickers because they throw in history when the show items. Pawn Stars does that occasionally. But it's the conspiracy ***and 24/7 Bible stuff one week followed by 24/7 apocalypse stuff the next. I get a bit annoyed.

TLC hasn't been The Learning Channel in years, instead they just rake in the cash exploiting little people, fat people, that transgender girl, and the dude with a 260 pound scrotum.

I actually watched that last one.

Having this framed as "nicest thing ever said about me on an internet forum"

I didn't even have to crawl through broken glass to get this compliment!

And here he goes again....

Trump Slams Mika Brzezinski as 'Neurotic,' 'Not Very Bright'
Twitter fight comes day after campaign says he doesn't use personal insults

No distinction in the article between legal and illegal immigrants. You cannot apply for benefits as an undocumented worker. No documents = no welfare. Like, wtf.

Exactly what specific jobs do we not want to do?

All of them, if you're ramy or one of union buddies in the international brotherhood of communist pigfuckers local 86 in podunk, pa

I guess I can't link to a direct portion of the article. They can't apply for welfare, but they can still receive it through anchor babies and average $5,692 per household annually.

So U.S. citizens are eligible for welfare? ¡Escandalo!

How do children apply for welfare?

I don't think it's a special process, but I don't know the specifics. It doesn't matter. As natural-born citizens, the children of illegal immigrants are entitled to those benefits.

Fair enough, and as foreign-born illegal immigrants, the parents are entitled to be deported.

Farmwork. Every year the farmworker's union holds a "Take our jobs please" event in CA. IIRC last year they had 6 people show up.

The other industry I know that cannot exist without the undocumented is slaughterhouses. The largest kosher slaughterhouse in the country died after an ICE raid a few years ago.

Of course we are talking wages / effort here. If they paid a living wage they could get American workers.

I think.

And then there is the fact that Trump just can't find an American woman who will marry him.

I see Slaughterhouse workers as 62% natural born citizens and 38% foreign born citizens? I don't think I would necessarily call that a job that American's won't do.

The farming rate is much higher than I thought.

The original point was to debunk the saying that illegal immigrants are taking the jobs that American's won't do. Pew studies show that of the illegal immigrant workforce, only 3-4% of them are in farming, fishing and forestry. I think the main point still stands, that they are taking more jobs that citizens would compete for. Although I didn't realize they had such a hold on farm labor. I'm surrounded by tons of farms here and every one of them that I know, use American labor. I didn't expect the numbers of illegal immigrants to be so high nationally. Very interesting.

Then lead off with that next time ***..

and do it in the right thread ~Random p&r

It's not like I'm pro illegal immigration. I do think immigrants make convenient targets when they're mostly just regular people trying to work and raise families. I also don't believe that obtaining the proper documentation is going to magically change some people's negative views of immigrants, legal or otherwise, especially given the nationalist sentiment that comes with it. There always has to be some metaphorical bottom rung on the societal ladder and today's immigrant Latinos are yesterday's Italians or Irish.

Around here, WA state, when its harvesting time the farms put up hiring signs in Spanish.

And even on dairy farms, which are year round employment with a fair degree of skilled knowledge, the majority of the workers are Mexican Americans. I mean ascentless English. Never asked for papers save on the puppies I was looking at there.

OK, Where are Trump suits made? Or Trump ties? Or Ivanka's dresses and plagiarized shoes?

China which probably has zero illegal immigrwnts.

Wrong on two counts.

Trump ties are made in Mexico and China has illegal immigrants.

They are definitely people just trying to work for their families. I see it everyday. The problem still exists that they don't pay income tax and are never hunted down by the IRS to pay tax because all of their funds come from straight cash. They also will receive sometimes medical attention at a hospital if needed and will not have to pay a cent. Though the overall cost of this isn't as big as you'd think considering the government pays the hospitals the bare minimum. They also partake in other social aspects that costs the tax payers money.

Anyway, the only problem is most of them don't pay income tax and they offer cheaper labor because of that making it hard for legitimate people to work. This only applies to more manual jobs but a legal roofer will have a lot harder time find working than some guy at Home Depot who knows how to roof.

I've also been through the immigration process and it was roughly 1500 to run through it. We missed a meeting that we got the dates confused and called the office the same day. We were declined. I then had to run through the process again spending another 1500 and we did get my wife a green card in the end.

The process also takes forever. 4-6 months to review my wife's case and she was from canada with no record. A decision like that should take 10 minutes and should cost very little.

I think we should crack down on illegals and either deport them or get them through the system and make sure they are paying income taxes.

We should send all the illegal immigrants to work for FFXIAH. Then maybe we can get an edit button !

How about they stay in their own country and work to make it better. Instead of coming here to take advantage of our tax dollars ?

You want to solve illegal immigration? Start going after the businesses that keep hiring people under the table... I never see people really complain about them all that much which surprised me... Why dont you complain about them not paying taxes associated with their employees? I guess it's alright because they're American?