Trump Talk™

I can't really say that the Clinton Foundation is a scam. They care about more foreign events than domestic, but that's their core.

What's really the issue is that you can't attack somebody on a personal level without attacking the exact same thing with a different name on them.

What's really the issue is that you can't attack somebody on a personal level without attacking the exact same thing with a different name on them.

Ehhhh. Like I said. I just don't think they're the same thing.

That's where the "personally scammed" part comes in.

Did he personally take their money or did he promise the people who attended his seminars money-back guarantee?

The answer to both questions is no.

So what if he owned 95% of the company? He most likely had a statement that every single "student" signed that said that results will vary depending on XXX, and that results are not guaranteed.

He gave lectures. Kindof how Clinton gives speeches, whereas the only real difference is that people put value on his words and individually pay to hear him talk about his "secrets to his success" while Clinton just collects money from speeches she gives by whoever is hosting the event.

In case you haven't realized yet, 1 event that works for one person doesn't always work for another. Salesmen/women don't just pop out of the ground and become successful overnight. And they certainly don't depend solely on one person's viewpoint on how to make money.

Which is the real scam: Get rich schemes that the speaker isn't the one at fault, it's the listeners who actually believe him. If you know that you are buying a viewpoint, you don't depend on it fully, just as a reference.

He didn't give lectures he wasn't even there.

"We're going to have professors and adjunct professors that are absolutely terrific people, terrific brains, successful. We are going to have the best of the best... and these are people that are handpicked by me."
But a CNN investigation finds that Trump and others involved in the school admitted under oath that some promises made to students just didn't happen.
In Trump's own deposition this past December, Trump failed to recognize the name of a single presenter or teacher at his real estate seminars. He also confirmed he had nothing to do with the selection process of instructors who taught at the school's events or mentors for the school's "Gold Elite" programs.
A review of Trump University presenters and so-called real estate experts found many with questionable credentials and inflated resumes. Court documents show background-checks conducted during the hiring process could not determine whether some instructors even graduated high school.

In a recently released deposition taken on July 25, 2012, Sexton, stated under oath: "None of our instructors at the live events were handpicked by Donald Trump."
Asked by attorneys if anyone at the Trump Organization was involved in the curriculum for the three-day real estate workshops, Sexton answered, "No."

"The president that U.S citizens must vote for is not that dull Hilary...but Trump who spoke of holding direct conversations with North Korea"- DPRK Today

Promises that weren't kept

This article basically covers it.

Folks familiar with Donald Trump’s masterful manipulation of the media will likely note that he picked Tuesday -- the day the court said it would release the documents -- to host a hugely contentious press conference in which he angrily berated the media for more than 40 minutes.

In doing so, he virtually guaranteed that news stories about the dubious practices of Trump University would be sharing space with stories about Trump claiming the media is completely biased against him.

Strangely, the Trump University “curriculum” offers no classes on media manipulation.

~fiscal times.

If he doesn't win he's got a bright future in public relation and damage control.

So?

Congratulations, you confused an opinion piece for news. Way to go! Want a cookie?

I wonder how much money the clintons have raised to veterans.

Akson does it everyday.

He didn't make a mistake, at no point did he present his post as news. He posted a blog that he agreed with.

King, you are one of the best researchers here. Why are you SO FRICKING BLIND to the fraud that was Trump U?

He promised things that he did not deliver. Like he was going to hand pick every instructor for a start. But he didn't pick a single one. But that's just #1. There are so many other fraudulent points.

It didn't teach Trump's real estate secrets, those were inheriting a fortune and invaluable contacts. Which can't be taught. Nor could it teach his strategy which was to owe so much money that he became to big to foreclose on.

The story of the Trump Shuttle is a perfect example of his operating strategy if not in real estate. Buy stuff with other people's money, stiff them with the tab when things fail, walk away smelling like a rose.

I mean its great, but ... well ... if he had stared Trump shuttle a bit differently, with understanding of his market, there might still be a Trump shuttle today.

Let me tell you why this whole event is not fraud:

1) Nobody went to his "university" because Trump handpicked instructors or not. If he promised to reveal the secrets of real estate but all it talked about was pizza, then that would be fraud. He made no promises about the services he was selling that he didn't deliver. He was selling real estate advice, that's what people got.

There are 3 assumptions in those 4 sentences that you can't back up at all. The fact that he has already had to testify that he did not in fact deliver on major parts of his promises is a much stronger argument that Trump U was a fraud than your dismissive attitude about it.

You do not get to define what "very minor" broken promises are. Especially when millions of dollars were spent. Your definition of "very minor" is obviously very different than what the courts say, it doesn't even follow common sense.

And stop talking about Clinton, she has no relevance to the Trump U case.

So, what is taking money in exchange for a service he didn't actually provide called?