Are Men Going Their Own Way? (MGTOW)

Uhh..women had the task of protecting the camp and working in it so ancestral agriculture was their thing. Men had to hunt, scoop for materials and explore. Moving on from cavemen eventually, as producing became easier than hunting men started being closer and closer, taking up also the roles of defenders and workers as there was more necessity in the settlement than on the outside. Women became more relegated to nurturers.
As today the world is very different, and most cultures have also evolved, both roles require to change. Men shouldn't need to sacrifice as much, while women should be able to join in the workforce doing equal tasks. Problem is not everyone's mentality has evolved with the times and you have mysoginists and social climbers in the opposite sides who didn't notice we're not in the middle ages anymore and still expect ancient roles to be fulfilled in that same manner.

This is an incredibly dumb generalization.

Men leave women too. Shocking, I know.

And this too. As a matter of fact I've seen here many MANY more situations in which it's the man who denies the woman to go out while he can do whatever he wants. Actually, it's so common here that it's considered by many a normal thing that a woman has to ask her man for permission if she wants to see a friend or leave the house for non work or grocery related activities. And it's really sad.

I didn't know there were such bad living conditions in US. Over here both sexes are required to work for 8 hours a day on any normal fulltime job.

All in all just another emotionally-driven, mysoginistic drivel.
But of course I will be labeled as one of these feminists just for disagreeing, disregarding all of the critiques I've already expressed a multitude of times against the freaking neo-movement.
This is why discussing it is so inconclusive, cause some people just have no scope of reality. Both the neo-feminists and these guys like Ivlilla and Saevel.

I just wanted to say thank you, Sparth. I actually was thinking of playing this game today, remembered this line and thought, "***. I SHOULD HAVE USED THAT THE OTHER DAY!"

I figure I add nothing of value to a thread that will devolve into woman bashing and men preening on about how superior a construct they are.

She drains my money!
She's not worth the time I spend with her!
*** does nothing but complain and whine, can't she be happy with me?
*** *** *** *** this broad is so annoying!
Feminists!!!!!!!!

4000 years ago men set out on a journey to hunt and provide for these worthless females, risking life and limb to spear a mammoth in his stomach. Many of our fellow men met cruel ends at the hands of sabertooth tigers, pterodactyls and giant millipedes.

Where were the women? At home counting shells. Giggling while their men were being ripped to shreds by the cruel environs of reality.

Never forget those men who died to stabilize the experiment known as civilization.

Men, stop picking shitty women.
Women, stop picking shitty men.

Men are such jerks! They don't understand sensitivity.
(And yet you continue to pick up bros and dudes that fall within a narrow spectrum.)

Women are such money hungry leeches.
(And yet you continue to pick up princesses that refuse to add anything of value to a relationship.)

It's all good guys. Your anecdotal relationships define all humanity.

Who's saying that they aren't?

But let's ask this then: What is the longevity of careers on average per sex?

What about the level of experience?

I would like for somebody to find a specific job, with 2 specific people (1 male, 1 female) with equal number of years experience, equal level of education, from equal backgrounds, and compare their income levels. Problem is, you can't really use salaried positions for this comparison, because salaries are negotiated, not given. So, you have to compare hourly rates, which in most cases, are minimum wage or slightly higher. But you know what? You will not find gender inequality in those positions, because those rates are static, regardless of the gender....

Why did you quote that part of my post which has nothing to do with wages? I mentioned that in my previous post and I didn't even say either is higher than the other.

Or maybe they had a relationship but are burned from having been with a shitty person.

Believe it or not guys, both males and females can be horrible people.

Anecdotal bad experience of your life shouldn't be basis for anthropological analysis.

I think he's referring the little plus that women get just because they have a vagina (no sexual atmosphere needed).

I've seen several women allowed to go back home (day being paid full) because they had their periods or just felt down in general.
I've seen women get up to 36 paid sick days a year, on top of their 34 paid holidays.
I've seen men get a few favors like that, obviously, but men were close friends of the management, the women were allowed those advantages because the management was scared to be accused of being misogynistic and what not. One side gets a free pass no matter what, the other side won't.

As much as free misogyny is bad and I'm not fond of it (unless it's a harmless joke), it's plain wrong to deny that women have advantages in life just because they happen to have a vagina (and not just at work, far from it). And it's wrong to deny that some women will effectively work less than their immediate coworkers due to specific situations that are excused for women and unheard of for men.

Those are just examples obviously, far from a generality, but the problem at hand is that it's a possibility for women to have these situations happen whereas for men, they will never be excused of anything because they have a penis.

While I agree with most of your post, care to expand on the bolded?

I really hope you're not thumbing your nose at areas of study and professions again when you have complained about not being able to get a job that you may have been, realistically, underqualified for, and blamed one skeezeball incident in another thread for not seeking other employment opportunities to, at the very least, establish a reliable work history.

Have you even had to "knuckle-down" and "suck it up" with a shitty retail, customer service or serving job during your undergrads yet? Have you had to pay rent, utilities or insurance yet?

I apologize if this comes off condescending, but, because of your problems, I can understand why having to deal with the general public would tie you in knots, but everyone has to start somewhere, and you might be the one leaving yourself in the dust at this point if you keep perpetuating this kind of attitude towards other people's professions when you have yet to start yours even at a minimal capacity.

I'm talking about the lowest paid professions here. People with degree in languages and things that give you a teaching only option(history, philosophy, math) are the ones paid the worst. Psychologists and architect instead suffer from being too many for too little demand and most of them have a lot of trouble because of this.

Stop bringing personal stuff into this, especially when all you do is making assumptions based on your idea of me.

still waiting for my sammich ladies...

So I have one page left on my paper on genocide as a logical conclusion to western thought. Is there anyway I can ultimately pin the reason on women?

I already included a thing about liberty and equality as the battle ground of genocide, but right now I'm trying to tweak the definition to point to atrocities caused by war and how war is inevitable as long as ideals are the driving force behind liberalism and because liberalism promotes equality and liberty the battles will always occur. I almost tried to label previous war atrocities (before WWII) as being genocidal, independent of western thought, but realize I was writing for the Chinese and carefully deflected to tweaking the definition and thought I end up with a Taoistic conclusion that since western thought has always been around, there's no way to know for sure, therefore ultimately... women are to blame?

I spent about three years living with two anthropologists, and took anthro classes at University. The problem with Anthropology is it has been completley infected by political correctness, to the point that a text will in the same paragraph, state that there are genetic differences between different human populations that can be used to identify which population of humans a person is most likely to have descended from, yet that race is a social construct that doesn't it.

The VERY FACT that YOU consider FEMINIZATION to be PROGRESS speaks volumes. The fact that you consider "feminine good, masculine bad" basically tags you for what you are: a worthless person who the world would be better off without.

Just a side note, but this is why more places need to change their labor laws to be like Manitoba. Got rid of that salaried=unlimited hours stuff years ago.

You still have "salary" positions, but they are calculated based on a 40 hour work week. If you are told to put in extra hours you get overtime based on what the overtime rate would be for the time you put in. Employers that refuse to pay the overtime you work are forced to cover any backpay owed. It's not perfect as not everyone can afford to file a complaint against an abusive employer (as it usually means finding another job) but it's a lot better than the boss having unlimited power to set your work hours without pay.

Holy ***, you're absolutely nuts.

>Disagree with me
>>You don't deserve to exist.

Impressive logic there ***.

There is a difference between the sort of horticulture that could be practiced by ancestral humans in their hunter-forager state, and intensive agriculture. The fact that you don't understand or know that there is a difference between "gardening" and "farming" really, really amuses me.


Well, it is about women, isn't it?

Women initiate divorce around twice as often as men do.

And where I live, it's the exact opposite thing. And when the "menfolk" do get together, we're almost constantly interrupted by the "womenfolk", and they get angry if we get angry about this, when if we were to do the same thing to them, how dare we! This is THEIR time!

You might want to actually look at some Department of Labor statistics. Even in the same job, in the same field, men work longer hours, and in less desireable shifts. Women take more "flex" time, more sick days, more vacation days. Meanwhile, men are expected to man up and not let little things like broken limbs, major illnesses, or other such slight, petty things stop them from toiling.


The problem that yo udo not understand is you are so heavily brainwashed, and our society in general has so been overtaken by the enemies of free thought, and so strictly regimented by political correctness, that merely DISAGREEING with feminist rhetoric (which is often outright lies, or, at best, manipulating and massaging statistics) gets you labeled a misogynist.

I don't hate women. As much as you want to say otherwise, I don't. The problem I have is that Truth is my first loyalty, and the world is full of people who have decided that the best way to remain in power is to lie about a problem existing, promise that they'll fix the problem, which makes the people who allegedly experience said problem feel good, so the "problem solver" keeps getting reelected, or keeps getting donations, or booked for speeches, etc.

I've been more deeply involved with "feminism" that most of the human population is. I've volunteered for a Rape Crisis center, gone to the Take Back the Night Rallies, read the literature, assumed that the reason I couldn't understand why I was such an evil misogynist shitlord pig who constantly oppressed women no matter what I did simply by existing was because as an evil misogynist shitlord pig who constantly oppresses women no matter what I do simply by existing my privilege is invisible to me.

And then one day I woke up and realized that I wasn't the problem. And that the only thing you get by constantly beating and berating men with the idea that they're all rapists, everything bad in history is their fault simply because they were born with a penis (which you will happily have mutilated for them without their consent or ability to even understand what is going on because otherwise it'd be icky), that women don't need to be taught to be responsible and think of their own safety but that we need to teach "men not to rape" instead, well, I realized I wasn't the problem.

The problem is that the people who are running the show have invested in a political belief system that is completely and totally divorced from reality. Most of them even refuse to believe that there is such a thing as an objective reality. And you can't argue with those people, let alone have a discussion. Discussion and debate require mutual agreement upon a common framework, and people who reject objective reality, there is no common frame work there. You either agree with them, or you're a rapist shitlord and they hope you get what's coming to you.

This is basically how I feel whenever a "feminist" opens his or her mouth near me:



Or maybe it's this:



Oh no, wait. It's this



No no, wait, it's this.



Could be this



or maybe it's actually this



Wait. Pretty sure it's this



The simple fact of the matter is that we don't live in a patriarchy. That's why people want to quite literally make it illegal to criticize or question feminism.

Feminism is the worst of sophist solipsism. Something bad happens to women? Patriarchy. Something good happens? Patriarchy. Something bad happens to men? It's not "misandry" or "reverse sexism" or anything like that, you stupid shitlord, it's STILL PATRIARCHY.

I'm the ***? Someone tells me that I am literally evil and that PROGRESS is getting rid of me and anything like me, and I'm the ***.

Or how else do YOU interpret "Things becoming more feminine is good"? 'cause if "More feminine is good" then we can conclude that "less feminine is bad" and therefore that "feminine is good and masculine is bad".

Seriously.

The problem with you people is that you have made a religion of "feminism" and "progressiveness"

Edit "impressive logic there ***"

Person A: Will feminization be the downfall of America?
Person B: Feminization is progress.
Person C: If Femnization is progress, and progress is a good thing, then to be more female is to be better. To be most female is best, and to be completely unfemale is worst. If Masculine is the opposite of feminine, then Female Good, Male Bad. If Progress is getting rid of the male and masculine, then the only conclusion a logical person could draw here is that men have no place in society and must be done away with. For progress sake. Did I get that right?
Person D: omfg you crazy *** how dare you question the sacred feminine

More worthless stereotypes. Brb need to bake a pizza cause I'm Italian.

Good. It's a cultural matter, and more retrograde cultures have different problems.

I can only speak for my country, and I reiterate, any individual man or woman is required to work 8 hours a day on a fulltime job with a regular contract.

If I was I'd be living by the same standards that are taught here: a woman should just be a housewife. And instead I don't. Even my grandmas and to a lesser extent my mom have tried to instill this way of thinking in me since early childhood, but thankfully I'm capable of thinking for myself and pursue my own lifepath.

Lol. Get over yourself.

You are. Like I said multiple times I strongly distance myself from the feminist extremists that are becoming popular now, but you running the exact same show on the other side don't help at all.

Yeah, like you. Since you keep making gross generalizations about women, how they all supposedely think like these tumblr idiots.

The amount of women in the US government are:

U.S. Senate 20 (14D, 6R - 20% of 100 seats)
U.S. House 84 (62D, 22R - 19.3% of 435 seats)
Governor 6 (3D, 3R - 12% of 50 seats)
Mayors 245 (17.6% of 1,392 cities over 30,000)

All 44 Presidents have been men.




Whatever you say buddy.

Again, holy ***you're *** nuts.

BOLDED: You sure *** are. If you includes anyone that thinks society is just peachy and nothing is wrong at all, then yes, you do need to be pushed off to the side.

You do deserve to exist though, if only so you can be an example of how people shouldn't be.

I love how treating everyone the same is suddenly progressive...

You can present the most logical, rational argument possible, backed by numbers and scientific evidence, and they will still stick their fingers into their ears and call you a rapist, misogynistic shitlord. It's why it's so fun poking them, I don't need to make them look bad, they will do that on their own, I just need to provide the material to incite their progressive post-moderdist "my feelz are the most important" minds into a rage. Their cognitive dissonance, blind discrimination and refuse to accept objective reality will do all the work for me.

What's the saying? All it takes to go from being liberal to conservative is 20 years? All it takes to go from being a Democrat to a Republican is being mugged? "All it takes to go from being a Feminist to a Realist is being immersed in Feminism long enough and not being completely devoid of reason or self-honesty?"

Doesn't quite seem to have the same ring to it.

What exactly is the end game of feminism?

All I keep hearing about is skewed statistics and fake or staged youtube videos.

Equality you say?

How are women not equal or greater than men already?

I don't get it. The talking points don't even make sense.