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 Bismarck.Nobunobu
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By Bismarck.Nobunobu 2015-04-06 23:45:35
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Sylph.Systematicchaos said: »
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I saw a SS that pops both legs and body NM. Any1 know how they have done it?

Perfidien:
5 Magic Kills (We use Water on Fire Elementals)
5 Magic Bursts
1 4 Step Skillchain

Plouton:
10 Magic Kills (We use whatever the elemental is weak to)
5x Double Magic Bursts (Try to be around 5k damage, but we did less at times- 2 People Magic Bursting the same skillchain)
1 6 Step Skillchain

Also, just repeat Jinpu for skillchains as it chains infinitely.

hmm, I meant how to carry both ki to pop both NM same run?
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By Asura.Shiraiyuki 2015-04-07 00:55:28
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You can have both the Ashen wings as wel as the False King KIs at the same time.

Killing Pervy grants you the False King KI, if you are not entering the run you don't lose the Ashen wings KI.
Only the person entering the group will have their KI changed.
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By Bismarck.Dubai 2015-04-07 01:25:40
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Bismarck.Nobunobu said: »
I saw a SS that pops both legs and body NM. Any1 know how they have done it?

We just did this a few hours ago.

First we went ahead and popped the Body NM then proceeded and continued to do the requirements for Legs NM.

It's the same way you do each NM and exit. Just combine them and you'll be fine.
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 Sylph.Jeanpaul
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2016-10-01 00:05:18
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Evidence suggesting that Brash Gate's pillar *** is tied to the day of the week (upon entry) and the race of the alliance leader (gender uncertain, but probably applies). As a Hume Male, entering on Darksday was successful with 6 > 5 > 3. We're probably gonna do more tests on this, but I suggest other people keep track of their leader's race and the day you enter.
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By Bismarck.Phaded 2016-10-01 01:37:01
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Interesting, will try to post some data up next time we do Vagary.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2016-10-01 04:42:47
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It's random. I don't think SE would make it so we can figure it out to have a 100% success rate. Not impossible, but I would be highly surprised if it was made that way. A theory til proven otherwise.
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2016-10-01 13:59:19
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Cerberus.Kylos said: »
A theory til proven otherwise.
That's why I want people to report their experiences. This has never failed for me on Darksday since I've started doing it.
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By Cerberus.Kylos 2016-10-01 14:49:14
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Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
Cerberus.Kylos said: »
A theory til proven otherwise.
That's why I want people to report their experiences. This has never failed for me on Darksday since I've started doing it.

Interesting! Ok you got me, I'll post my findings every Tuesday night after our run.
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By Nocki 2016-10-02 20:35:34
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Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
Evidence suggesting that Brash Gate's pillar *** is tied to the day of the week (upon entry) and the race of the alliance leader (gender uncertain, but probably applies). As a Hume Male, entering on Darksday was successful with 6 > 5 > 3. We're probably gonna do more tests on this, but I suggest other people keep track of their leader's race and the day you enter.

Attempt 1:
Entered on Hume Male SCH, 7 people, darksday
Had a Hume F pick pillar 6 and got leeches, so I left because I thought it might be race of person picking pillars rather than race of person who entered zone.

Attempt 2:
Entered on Hume Male SCH, 7 people, darksday
6 > 6 > 4
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 Asura.Carrotchan
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By Asura.Carrotchan 2016-10-02 20:37:35
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Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
Evidence suggesting that Brash Gate's pillar *** is tied to the day of the week (upon entry) and the race of the alliance leader (gender uncertain, but probably applies). As a Hume Male, entering on Darksday was successful with 6 > 5 > 3. We're probably gonna do more tests on this, but I suggest other people keep track of their leader's race and the day you enter.

What evidence?
-SR
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By Afania 2016-10-02 20:50:30
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Is it possible to post the job and subjob you enter on? Thanks. Hume Male on darksday didn't work.
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 Asura.Carrotchan
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By Asura.Carrotchan 2016-10-02 20:59:33
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Afania said: »
Is it possible to post the job and subjob you enter on? Thanks. Hume Male on darksday didn't work.

It sounds very far fetched that it would be so intricate as to check for the race, job, day, etc when determining the layout. This would be the same as if the lamps in Nyzul behaved this way.

I would want to assume that the layout is randomly selected during the loading of the instance. I am open to the idea if there is any real evidence though as initially stated.
-SR
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2016-10-02 21:38:07
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The evidence was just that I repeatedly had entered on Darksday and found that same sequence to carry me through on multiple separate occasions.
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By Nocki 2016-10-02 21:41:11
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Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
repeatedly ... multiple separate occasions.

Wow, such specific numbers.
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By Asura.Carrotchan 2016-10-02 22:23:29
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Nocki said: »
Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
repeatedly ... multiple separate occasions.

Wow, such specific numbers.

Well Jean is very good with these things IMO. It be a nice thing to know too.

Unfortunately as soon as you said that you also were a hume male on darksday and didn't get the same order then it was out the window.

-SR
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2016-10-02 22:30:17
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My free time hasn't lined up with Darkday lately, and the other times I was running full clears for my LS. Darksday was consistent, and I only went with race as another modifier cuz my friend was testing on Elvaan M. We discussed how, supposedly, Limbus was affected by race/day so we figured it was plausible that Vagary worked similarly.
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By Asura.Ladyofhonor 2016-10-02 22:49:23
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Asura.Carrotchan said: »
Nocki said: »
Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
repeatedly ... multiple separate occasions.

Wow, such specific numbers.

Well Jean is very good with these things IMO. It be a nice thing to know too.

Unfortunately as soon as you said that you also were a hume male on darksday and didn't get the same order then it was out the window.

-SR

Didn't you ban yourself from these forums?

If I ever get into farming Vagary again I'll try to remember to document day. We should assume this is specific to who enters and not who is breaking things, right?
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By Leviathan.Brotherhood 2016-10-02 23:57:24
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Elvaan Male Main Job PLD 99.9999% of all events. Ice day of the week I more often than not get 6 2 4, Darksday I get 5 3 5, There are many times I pick 2 and 5 with no success no matter what day. Probably only have done 150~200 runs but only remember common orders not the exceptions
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2016-10-03 15:22:03
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Well heres a couple more questions:
Is the NM's location's pre-determined by the columns even if the day changes?
Is this presumed pattern based on the alliance leader or the person clicking the columns?

Its worth noting which columns spawn NM's and seeing what emerges. If anything, keep track of which columns spawn NM's under what conditions for your own character and attempting to repeat it if possible.
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