First Official GOP President Announcement

You know, I just don't see a lot of people with any reasonable degree of intelligence comparing any of the European nations who practice a degree of socialism to Stalin's Russia, or Mao's batshit insane regime. In fact, those aforementioned European nations are constantly rated some of the happiest and least-stressed on the planet. Not to mention their civil freedoms...

you don't hear them complaining because they round up all the undesirables and put them inside a huge outdoor prison like *** Freetown Christiania

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That's not even worth a response dude. You're trying to argue with someone that isn't me.

What part of "ethical debate" fails to grok for you? Your usual rambling misunderstood tangents are just sad at this point. It's seriously as though English is a foreign language for you.

Uh-huh. Keep telling yourself that.

Keeping pretending you believe in personal freedoms and liberty for all.

Because you are full. of. ***.

What debate is there to have?

You're essentially boiling things down to "is life isn't worth living if it is hard?". Where is it written that it is suppose to be easy? There is no massive pandemic of children starving to death in the country. People aren't starving to death.

I mean I was picked on as a kid, at times it felt like misery and torture. Would my life have been better if I was aborted?

No one said it's supposed to be easy, but your kind twist that into a battle cry and justification to make it as hard on everyone else as humanly possible.

By not wanting to the government to take my money which I work for at the threat of imprisonment and give it to them to not work for pennies on the dollar?

[insert gratuitous eye rolling here]

Computer says yes.

/dodecafacepalm

For the record, read that carefully. Those are my motivations.

Are you sure it just wasn't uncomfortable? You know like waterboarding and drowning.

C'mon man, I though it only had to feel like torture to count?

Nope. You do seem to be the one who likes to throw around the word feel all the time though. lol...

First off, I was posing a hypothetical, not making an observation. I'd ask why you can't comprehend the concept of a thought experiment, but I already know why: it requires having a thought.

Secondly, the premise was not "This is what is going to happen," the premise is, "This is the result of what can happen if we follow the logic of the current far-right wingnuts in Congress." Again, the voting record is very clear: make it virtually impossible to avoid conception/birth by dismantling access to contraception and abortion AND make life for those undesired spawn harder by removing social welfare.

Here's the big problem, since I know the hidden belief is that more dead poor people, both children and adults, is somehow a net good: increased poverty directly correlates with increased crime, both violent and property. And the surest way to wind up in poverty is to have another mouth to feed. You're too young to realize just how much crime there was in the 70s and probably too short-sighted to see why Roe v. Wade had a direct and measurable impact in reducing that problem.

In fact...

You know what the best answer to that is? KILL *** BABIES! Strangle them, abort them, light them on fire and use them to cook your dinner. Dead people don't collect welfare.

Better question: if you don't want to provide a cent of your money to a stranger's well-being, why are you so vehemently opposed to letting them die? You keep avoiding the ethics question I posed even though literally both answers serve your own stated political motivations.

Just as an aside, why shouldn't it be?

The odd thing is that we've deliberately made life hard. Hunter-gatherer societies worked, on average, about 5 hours a day to live very comfortably. They spent their free time on hobbies like story-telling, woodworking, and decorative art. The introduction of agriculture allowed us to develop a food surplus and thereby pool enough brainpower together to invent technology, so I'm in no way decrying that we're no longer living on the savannah in grass huts, but that also created class systems whereby all but the ruling elite worked 12+ hours a day at a similar or worse level of comfort.

Why should anyone need to toil for 8-10 hours or more per day to maintain a modest lifestyle? Why shouldn't we have the time and energy to devote to other things? Do you think your life is any richer, fuller, or better for having to toil? Maybe you like your career and, if so, I'm envious of you. Most people endure their career. Very few of us go skipping in the door to work thinking, "Hurrah, another day of pouring cement!" or "Thank you, Jesus, I can't make it through the day without putting red covers on my TPS reports!"

All the time huh?

lol

What's amusing is all these people who blame things on "feels" and say "feels" are a bad thing...are literally just expressing their contrary feels...

1st, total horseshit no one is denied access to multiple forms of birth control. One only needs to travel down to the CVS and pick up any number of them. Birth control is not restricted from anyone.

2nd, poverty and crime have a degree of relation, but one is hardly the cause of the other. Regardless is your solution to high crime rates really to kill unborn babies?

3rd, Or we could reform welfare so that we give less of it out and thereby foster an environment where people are less dependent on the government, because they have to be.

4th, In typical shortsighted fashion you seemingly cannot comprehend that one can simultaneously wish people well (not partake in the attitudes of misanthropy), without advocating for their death. I know its a tough concept, but maybe smoke a joint and expand your mind a bit. There's a difference in helping someone out and being coerced to help someone out.

5th, you can't have it both ways. Life is far more comfortable today than it was in huts on the savannah. We live longer and in more wealth than any other time in recorded history. I think you obviously know this, because you haven't yet thrown off your modern shackles and gone to live in those huts. People used to worry about where their next meal was coming from. I doubt any of us have seriously known that worry, ever.

6th, If no one toils in the TPS caves, who's gonna make those TPS reports we're gonna need for our great new workers paradise? You're just whining about having to work. I know that feel bro, there's always those huts on the savannah.

Mmmm. So it's just a complete coincidence -- a total causality error -- that destitute urban neighborhoods just happen to be the source of a near-endless fount of gang activity, drugs, theft, and violent crime. And the fact that this scene has played out worldwide nearly constantly in the modern era is a total anomaly?

Do you really doubt that there are countless examples of people who grew up impoverished and yet haven't committed a single crime?

Everyone knows the only way to get rich is to be a criminal mastermind. Who knows if you're lucky you might even end up running a bank, or a politician.

If that's how you think people get rich........

Yep, can't tell anymore if that's sarcasm either

Responses like that are how we know you lack a sense of humor.
Same goes for Nazi

With some people, it's hard to tell if it's sarcasm or not.

That's why there's sarcasm tags...

Ignoring the obvious nitpick that everyone is guilty of a crime on some level -- speeding, littering, loitering, giving a *** in some states, whatever -- that's like saying that being shot doesn't kill people because so many people are able to survive being shot.

You're being purposefully obtuse. Where poverty flourishes, so does crime. It's a simple fact. Whether you want to say it's "the" cause or simply a major contributing factor, it remains true that it contributes in a big way.

First, if we're all guilty of a crime on some level as you say, then crime has nothing to do with poverty.

Secondly, no correlation does not equal causation.

In theory feelings matter in theory !

It is one of many proven paths to riches.

And like all the others except being born rich, it requires work, luck, and charisma.

O.T. Mods, don't you think this thread has been sufficiently derailed to lock?