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Who specifically did I trash? I stated facts and opinions, not once did I target one specific person and use profanity. As for your contribution to society, I'm sorry maybe I was wrong maybe you do contribute alot to society but your short nasty comments really didn't change my opinion any.

Can we get back to how Ted Cruz wasnt one of the Founding Fathers of the Government Shutdown of 2013?

That was rather entertaining at least.

They call it a government shutdown and it scares everyone but we were still operational at the post office at least. I really can't answer that though because I know little about such matters my primary concern is foreign policy and homeland security.

lol, can anybody quote the "facts" that sayomi allegedly posted?

If you're trying to consider being the forum police now as your contribution to society I think there are already mods and admins in place >.< Post office is actually hiring check out Usps.com/Careers if your interested though.

So... no facts?

Gotcha.

No thanks, I am just trying to find anything you posted that is factual. All you have done is post a bunch of unsubstantiated opinions and outright lies, while pretending that everyone else is the bad guy.

You're so cute.

Haters will hate as usual, keep spewing that fire.

We also haven't had any facts from the OP.

You have had plenty, but what do you wish to know?

1) Ted Cruz is a candidate for president
2) He has my support
3) He is eligible to run

See i can post facts.

Jassik, liberals are evil scum cause they repress the true history that the founding fathers were puritanical champions of conservatism. True patriots that fought off the oppression of the radically progressive minded imperial Monarchies of their era. They championed the conservative spiritual traditions of Martin Luther and John Calvin against the likes of leftist leaning and god hating institutions of Catholicism and Anglicanism. They would never do some pussy *** Deistic ***; like signing and ratifying a peace treaty with a Muslim nation containing an article declaring that 'Murica wasn't founded on the Christian Religion.


When you live in a world with rose tinted shades like that it's really hard to have civil discourse without breaking down into a jolly good time on the intrawebz.

Ok I want to try my best to answer some questions directly. The catch is I want to ask a question directly to all of you.
In other words respond to this post with a Simple, Direct question. Make it like a simple 1 sentence question, it can be multiple questions, that is ok.


How do others perceive the Tea Party? don't hold back

A misguided group of patriots dissatisfied with the direction the country is headed who were cooped by a group of ultra-rich oligarchs as a political distraction to push through judicial nominations and legal actions on their behalf.

Short answer, they're patsies in a political pyramid scheme.

Wow.

Only response I can give is the truth. That truth is who I am. I have never actually donated money to any organization or candidate(though I plan on volunteering for and donating to Ted Cruz). I claim to ally myself with the Tea Party because I like there views(maybe I am naive and its what I 'think' they stand for that I actually like). I have not had the oppurtunity to attend any actual Tea Party meetings nor do I actually receive or read anything from the mail from them.

So I can not actually say what the Tea Party is all about, all I can do is post this
Our mission is to bring awareness to any issue
which challenges the security, sovereignty or
domestic tranquility of our beloved nation,
The United States of America. - See more at: http://www.teaparty.org/#sthash.uYdNYrLT.dpuf

from there official site, and I can also say how I feel about it personally.

I believe that we have a debt that is out of control
I believe there is too much entitlement
I believe in federalism, that states have the right to pass things that the federal government needs to stay away from.
I believe the borders need to be secured before the topic of amnesty and immigration is even brought forth to the table.
I believe the department of education is ruining our schools
I believe the IRS is not needed
I believe there needs to be Term limits on Congress
etc...

Now back to the Tea Party.

I believe the base Republican Party that exists inside Washington right now is too moderate. On a Scale of 1-100 I believe that there exists a general 30-70 range.

I believe that 'similarity' is a BAD thing. I believe that TOO many laws get passed. I believe that the wider the Ideological differences that exist in Congress the better. Bigger gaps create more debate.

End of the day they're like every other party:

constituents back mouth pieces that pander to their fears and wildest desires. Said mouthpiece usually doesn't deliver anything promised to said constituents. Yet, somehow they manage to deliver on everything they promise to the billionaire campaign contributors.

There was a moment when it's heart was in the right place, but then there were these guys, (who happen to be billionaires who never worked an honest day in their lives aka inherited wealth), said hey you know what!? we need to get on this and channel this emotion to drive our agenda. Ever since then it's been a clusterfuck of hypocrisy and angry people as Jassik mentioned above.

For instance, you got politicians trying to push an agenda to reverse Roe v. Wade because they feel that it was overreach by the Federal Government, as well as violating their personal religious core. Yet somehow ignore the blatant irony in the reality that manifests when you make something "illegal" and how the government needs to expand in order to enforce its new law. Let alone the violation of 1st amendment rights in creating a law to punish people who do something you don't spiritually agree with.... just some food for thought.

I am done defending the Tea Party as a whole, the honest truth is I do not know enough about the organization as a whole or the people who 'run' it. I just know what I believe.

My belief on abortion is that, personally, I don't think it should happen. However, I understand there are exceptions to any rule.

I believe that you should not be able to just randomly get an abortion(maybe this shows my naive yet again). Basically IF it were to be allowed, it should be first 3 months ONLY and it should require something similiar to a prescription/referal from a M.D. Some reasons that would allow for it are Incest and if it can be proven to be a Danger to the life of the Mother.

Clueless twits who lack any understanding of reality, show blatant animosity towards real intellect, and would like to regress back to a U.S. that only ever existed in their addled minds.

hmm, nothing worth replying to here.

Oh oh! I still haven't gotta a straight answer to this: If all fetuses are considered innocent "life", why is there an exemption for rape/incest and a danger to the mother? It's inconsistent with the pro-life viewpoint.

That question may be hard to answer if I was defending the Tea Party, but I am not.

The answer is things are not black and white, there are exceptions. When it comes to those two specifically it is the genetic abnormalities associated with incest.
I didn't mention rape because I do not know about that one enough. All I know on a 'rape baby' is that the 'justification' for aborting it is the hatred the mother may feel towards the father, and as a result the baby. However, I feel physically there is no actual danger to either the baby or the mother, so in a situation of Rape, giving the baby away is still a very real possibility.

And danger to mother... it is justified here because why should an unborn's life be more valuable than the mothers?

In their defense Pleebo, they haven't actually expressed the pro-life argument.

If I read them correctly they did say it should be available but feels that a person shouldn't be getting them on a regular basis. More than likely wouldn't utilize the service themselves.

Which really is far more sensible than "pro-life"

I'm sorry, but if you think the majority of republicans are too moderate, you have no understanding of how the 2 party system is supposed to work.


Bill Clinton said it well: Abortions should be safe, available, and rare.

Hmm, I actually like that quote from Clinton. Emphasis on the Rare part. Rare but not completely unavailable.

And yes I do believe alot of Republicans are moderate (or what we like to call RINO). I am neither going to argue against you or agree with you. Let's just say that's my opinion and let me keep it, please and thank you.

It's only inconsistent if you view social topics in black and white. Which, knowing you, wouldn't surprise me.

Did somebody seriously copypasta a John Hawkins article into this thread?

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It's a couple pages back. I never thought I'd see any of his garbage used in an actual argument, but I guess somebody out there had to be taking him seriously.

shoulda quoted it with your reply.. oh well^^

Oh well indeed. Back to arguing. When's sheriff Joe heading out on a "fact checking" mission about Ted Cruz's true birth certificate?