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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-03-20 14:01:27  
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all you need to become an officer is a bachelor's degree. for awhile you didn't even need that, you could have an associates and during your lieutenant years would do degree completion.

Err, I've never heard of a branch allowing an associates degree to be used for obtaining a commission, especially while someone is allowed to collect officer pay and benefits.

Maybe 50 years ago when less people went to college, even then I'm pretty sure it was requirement, at least in the Air Force.

It's also competitative to get into certain branches as an officer and your degree matters.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-03-20 14:02:09  
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Why do you choose to identify as such?
Because, after extensive research (yes, actual research written by peer reviewed sources such as The International Journal of Accounting and Finance and such) about events and business practices that prove the things that the conservatives (mainly businessmen and accountants such as myself) have said over and over and over time and again about the cause and effects of governmental and business practices, I find myself strongly into the conservative camp more than any other.

Non-*** answer: I strongly believe that businesses have helped dictate society far better and more efficient than government has. And I have seen the evidence and reasoning behind such assertions. No matter what anyone here will say, that research has been done and has been shown effective.

I guess my biggest issue is the voice of the conservative party, mainly the elected officials, who open their mouths and insert their feet in it so often, I think they developed the taste of leather and whatever ***they walked in that day.
You missed my point entirely.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-20 14:03:17  
Leviathan.Protey said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Leviathan.Protey said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Leviathan.Protey said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Seriously, I have no clue what you just said.

For an example: you can call yourself the slowest runner on earth. you then go and run faster than someone else. through your actions you have acted contrary to the definition of what you called yourself and therefore cease to be what you called yourself.
Question: Do you still call yourself the slowest runner on earth when you run faster than even one person?

Answer: No.

Therefor, No True Scotsman fallacy does not exist in that statement.

However, what you said doesn't apply here. Christians believe in the devil long before you were even born, and they are still Christians. By your definition, they wouldn't be Christians because they believed in the devil.

There is no checklist of being a conservative. I am a conservative, I know I'm a conservative, I don't have to prove to you that I'm a conservative. I don't have to abide by your standards of a conservative, and you should not expect anyone to do so, because your standards of a conservative is different than mine.

No I didn't. where are you guys even getting this. where did I say if you believe in the devil you cease to be a a christian? nowhere.
Worship the devil. AKA believing s/he/it exists.

no, they are not the same, nor have I said otherwise. Why would anyone think they are the same?
In order to worship something, you have to first believe it. If you don't believe in it, then what are you worshiping in?

They are synonymous to each other. AKA they require each other to exist.

Sure, you can say you can believe in it but not worship it, but you still have to believe in it in order to worship it.
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-03-20 14:03:43  
Bahamut.Kara said: »
Leviathan.Protey said: »

all you need to become an officer is a bachelor's degree. for awhile you didn't even need that, you could have an associates and during your lieutenant years would do degree completion.

Err, I've never heard of a branch allowing an associates degree to be used for obtaining a commission, especially while someone is allowed to collect officer pay and benefits.

Maybe 50 years ago when less people when to college, even then I'm pretty sure it was requirement, at least in the Air Force.

It's also competitative to get into certain branches as an officer and your degree matters.

the Army allows this for sure, I remember back when I was a lieutenant having a fellow lieutenant show up in his civilian clothes. I asked him what he was doing, and he said that he was doing degree completion. He then went on to explain to me how he only had an associates degree and that he was not allowed to make captain until he finished his bachelor's.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-20 14:04:07  
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
Why do you choose to identify as such?
Because, after extensive research (yes, actual research written by peer reviewed sources such as The International Journal of Accounting and Finance and such) about events and business practices that prove the things that the conservatives (mainly businessmen and accountants such as myself) have said over and over and over time and again about the cause and effects of governmental and business practices, I find myself strongly into the conservative camp more than any other.

Non-*** answer: I strongly believe that businesses have helped dictate society far better and more efficient than government has. And I have seen the evidence and reasoning behind such assertions. No matter what anyone here will say, that research has been done and has been shown effective.

I guess my biggest issue is the voice of the conservative party, mainly the elected officials, who open their mouths and insert their feet in it so often, I think they developed the taste of leather and whatever ***they walked in that day.
You missed my point entirely.
I thought you were asking a serious, direct question, not a rhetorical one.
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-03-20 14:07:40  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Leviathan.Protey said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Leviathan.Protey said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Leviathan.Protey said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Seriously, I have no clue what you just said.

For an example: you can call yourself the slowest runner on earth. you then go and run faster than someone else. through your actions you have acted contrary to the definition of what you called yourself and therefore cease to be what you called yourself.
Question: Do you still call yourself the slowest runner on earth when you run faster than even one person?

Answer: No.

Therefor, No True Scotsman fallacy does not exist in that statement.

However, what you said doesn't apply here. Christians believe in the devil long before you were even born, and they are still Christians. By your definition, they wouldn't be Christians because they believed in the devil.

There is no checklist of being a conservative. I am a conservative, I know I'm a conservative, I don't have to prove to you that I'm a conservative. I don't have to abide by your standards of a conservative, and you should not expect anyone to do so, because your standards of a conservative is different than mine.

No I didn't. where are you guys even getting this. where did I say if you believe in the devil you cease to be a a christian? nowhere.
Worship the devil. AKA believing s/he/it exists.

no, they are not the same, nor have I said otherwise. Why would anyone think they are the same?
In order to worship something, you have to first believe it. If you don't believe in it, then what are you worshiping in?

They are synonymous to each other. AKA they require each other to exist.

Sure, you can say you can believe in it but not worship it, but you still have to believe in it in order to worship it.

they are not synonymous. just because it goes one way doesn't mean the reverse is true. just because you believe in something doesn't mean you are worshiping it. nowhere did i say just because you believe in something you are worshiping it. i believe you exist, talking to me now, doesn't mean i am worshiping you. i just acknowledge your existence.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-03-20 14:07:44  
Leviathan.Protey said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Leviathan.Protey said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
A TRUE conservative would have made the money of his own volition without ANY help from the federal government that he decries out of the other side of his own mouth for wasting valuable tax dollars on government programs

you sir are a hypocrite. good day.

I did earn the money of my own volition without any help from the federal government. I did not get any pay that I did not work for. It just happens that the pay came from the government. I do not decry the federal government, I decry people getting things that they do not earn.

So go spout your nonsense elsewhere.

So, was your pre-collegiate education private or public?

EDIT: Did you receive your Bachelors from a public or private university?

it was a public university.

Which receives subsidies from the state. So...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-20 14:09:05  
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Leviathan.Protey said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Leviathan.Protey said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
A TRUE conservative would have made the money of his own volition without ANY help from the federal government that he decries out of the other side of his own mouth for wasting valuable tax dollars on government programs

you sir are a hypocrite. good day.

I did earn the money of my own volition without any help from the federal government. I did not get any pay that I did not work for. It just happens that the pay came from the government. I do not decry the federal government, I decry people getting things that they do not earn.

So go spout your nonsense elsewhere.

So, was your pre-collegiate education private or public?

EDIT: Did you receive your Bachelors from a public or private university?

it was a public university.

Which receives subsidies from the state. So...
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-03-20 14:10:16  
Leviathan.Protey said: »
I decry people getting things that they do not earn.

Oh ok so now you are the arbiter of whether or not people earned things....

that's swell... >.>
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-20 14:10:37  
Leviathan.Protey said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Leviathan.Protey said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Leviathan.Protey said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Leviathan.Protey said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Seriously, I have no clue what you just said.

For an example: you can call yourself the slowest runner on earth. you then go and run faster than someone else. through your actions you have acted contrary to the definition of what you called yourself and therefore cease to be what you called yourself.
Question: Do you still call yourself the slowest runner on earth when you run faster than even one person?

Answer: No.

Therefor, No True Scotsman fallacy does not exist in that statement.

However, what you said doesn't apply here. Christians believe in the devil long before you were even born, and they are still Christians. By your definition, they wouldn't be Christians because they believed in the devil.

There is no checklist of being a conservative. I am a conservative, I know I'm a conservative, I don't have to prove to you that I'm a conservative. I don't have to abide by your standards of a conservative, and you should not expect anyone to do so, because your standards of a conservative is different than mine.

No I didn't. where are you guys even getting this. where did I say if you believe in the devil you cease to be a a christian? nowhere.
Worship the devil. AKA believing s/he/it exists.

no, they are not the same, nor have I said otherwise. Why would anyone think they are the same?
In order to worship something, you have to first believe it. If you don't believe in it, then what are you worshiping in?

They are synonymous to each other. AKA they require each other to exist.

Sure, you can say you can believe in it but not worship it, but you still have to believe in it in order to worship it.

they are not synonymous. just because it goes one way doesn't mean the reverse is true. just because you believe in something doesn't mean you are worshiping it. nowhere did i say just because you believe in something you are worshiping it. i believe you exist, talking to me now, doesn't mean i am worshiping you. i just acknowledge your existence.
So, do you worship what you don't believe in?

Also, do you fear the devil? Isn't that a type of worship?
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By Bloodrose 2015-03-20 14:12:04  
Fear of the Devil is similar in significance to the Worship of God.

Hence, they are synonymous, as they are very much alike in meaning and significance.
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-03-20 14:15:40  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
So, do you worship what you don't believe in?

Also, do you fear the devil? Isn't that a type of worship?

I only worship God. I do not fear the devil, my faith assures me that there is no need to fear him.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-20 14:19:30  
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So, do you worship what you don't believe in?

Also, do you fear the devil? Isn't that a type of worship?

I only worship God. I do not fear the devil, my faith assures me that there is no need to fear him.
If the devil was to pop up right next to you and challenge you to a fiddle match, what would you do?
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-03-20 14:20:04  
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the Army allows this for sure, I remember back when I was a lieutenant having a fellow lieutenant show up in his civilian clothes. I asked him what he was doing, and he said that he was doing degree completion. He then went on to explain to me how he only had an associates degree and that he was not allowed to make captain until he finished his bachelor's.
That sounds very weird.

If he was commissioned and he showed up in civilian clothes unless that was required for his job he was out of uniform. Which makes no sense if he was already an officer.

And being allowed to go up two ranks (second lieutenant --> first lieutenant --> captain) before completing the degree...is odd.
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By Bloodrose 2015-03-20 14:20:26  
Does Protey live in Georgia?

Because I heard the devil was looking for a soul to steal.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-20 14:21:36  
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
So, do you worship what you don't believe in?

Also, do you fear the devil? Isn't that a type of worship?

I only worship God. I do not fear the devil, my faith assures me that there is no need to fear him.


My lack of faith assures me the same. It's funny how intangible ideas only pose a threat if you believe they do.
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-03-20 14:21:41  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Leviathan.Protey said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
So, do you worship what you don't believe in?

Also, do you fear the devil? Isn't that a type of worship?

I only worship God. I do not fear the devil, my faith assures me that there is no need to fear him.
If the devil was to pop up right next to you and challenge you to a fiddle match, what would you do?

having nothing to do with him Charlie Daniels Band.
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-03-20 14:23:45  
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Leviathan.Protey said: »
the Army allows this for sure, I remember back when I was a lieutenant having a fellow lieutenant show up in his civilian clothes. I asked him what he was doing, and he said that he was doing degree completion. He then went on to explain to me how he only had an associates degree and that he was not allowed to make captain until he finished his bachelor's.
That sounds very weird.

If he was commissioned and he showed up in civilian clothes unless that was required for his job he was out of uniform. Which makes no sense if he was already an officer.

And being allowed to go up two ranks (second lieutenant --> first lieutenant --> captain) before completing the degree...is odd.

http://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/pdf/r621_1.pdf

page 12.
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By Bloodrose 2015-03-20 14:25:07  
You're giving up on some of the greatest music ever played.

He's a Country/Bluegrass, Southern Rock musician, steeped in many conservative values.

But if you're going to have nothing to do with the Charlie Daniels Band, you'd also have to give up on literally dozens to hundreds of other musicians he's played with, worked with, or worked for.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-03-20 14:27:25  
Wanted to check what's up with this thread as it's so long, then I saw this scrolling up
Leviathan.Protey said: »
I only worship God. I do not fear the devil, my faith assures me that there is no need to fear him.
*steps back out*
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-03-20 14:28:12  
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That sounds very weird.

Well he leaves out about 9/10ths the story and then accuses you of having poor reading comprehension....
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-03-20 14:28:30  
Bloodrose said: »
You're giving up on some of the greatest music ever played.

He's a Country/Bluegrass, Southern Rock musician, steeped in many conservative values.

But if you're going to have nothing to do with the Charlie Daniels Band, you'd also have to give up on literally dozens to hundreds of other musicians he's played with, worked with, or worked for.

And straw hats with embroidering on the front! Who wants to give that up?!
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-03-20 14:28:33  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I thought you were asking a serious, direct question, not a rhetorical one.
I was very clearly asking why you would choose to label yourself, not why you chose a specific label. Seriously, is today "I can't read" day for you?

Protey making No True Scotsman claims about conservatives is very much in line with how our culture approaches the use of labels. So why use a label when you're going to argue that the checklist of attributes doesn't apply to you yet you still want to be under the umbrella? And, as a corollary, would you change your views to better fit under the umbrella of a label? Spoiler: you've already done the latter (everyone does).
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By Leviathan.Protey 2015-03-20 14:32:20  
Bloodrose said: »
You're giving up on some of the greatest music ever played.

He's a Country/Bluegrass, Southern Rock musician, steeped in many conservative values.

But if you're going to have nothing to do with the Charlie Daniels Band, you'd also have to give up on literally dozens to hundreds of other musicians he's played with, worked with, or worked for.

i said have nothing to do with the devil (him).
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By fonewear 2015-03-20 14:32:21  
This thread is worse than the trans gender congrats I guess ?
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By Bloodrose 2015-03-20 14:33:33  
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Leviathan.Protey said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
So, do you worship what you don't believe in?

Also, do you fear the devil? Isn't that a type of worship?

I only worship God. I do not fear the devil, my faith assures me that there is no need to fear him.
If the devil was to pop up right next to you and challenge you to a fiddle match, what would you do?

having nothing to do with him Charlie Daniels Band.

This is what you actually said.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-03-20 14:33:50  
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I thought you were asking a serious, direct question, not a rhetorical one.
I was very clearly asking why you would choose to label yourself, not why you chose a specific label. Seriously, is today "I can't read" day for you?

Protey making No True Scotsman claims about conservatives is very much in line with how our culture approaches the use of labels. So why use a label when you're going to argue that the checklist of attributes doesn't apply to you yet you still want to be under the umbrella? And, as a corollary, would you change your views to better fit under the umbrella of a label? Spoiler: you've already done the latter (everyone does).
I'm not defining what a conservative is. I'm letting each individual determine their view of what a conservative and what a liberal are, because we all have different viewpoints.

I place myself under the label because I want to make sure that people know how I identify myself instead of letting them guess it themselves. Because sometimes they are wrong (see: Altimaomega).

I rather deal with information than guesswork. Plain and simple.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-03-20 14:34:44  
Shiva.Onorgul said: »
I was very clearly asking why you would choose to label yourself

I label myself evil... and I have never had anyone argue that I wasn't....
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By fonewear 2015-03-20 14:35:19  
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