Vaccine / Health Care Scam Exposed.

...For one. A TV show for your analogy.. My wife watches that isn't there like 80yr olds running around. One for sure that I know of, the one from harry potter.

It cute how you credit vaccines for living longer and not the better and cleaner way of life of the last century. Not to mention that Penicillin was discovered in 1929 by Alexander Flemming. If people should be praising anything it should be antibiotics, vitamins, plumbing...

Again, not saying all vaccines are bad. But talking about forcing all vaccines on people is asinine to say the least.

I should show this to all my physician friends. They like a good laugh at "science" a 5th grader could refute.

Rates of disease and the variety of diseases we suffer have been increasing in the same period that we've been vaccinating. Surely that's proof that vaccinations are killing us! It couldn't possibly be related to the fact that we're not all dying before our 40th birthdays.

Anyone watch BBC's Downton Abbey? It portrays upper class Britain a mere 100 years ago and it tends to kill off two major characters per season, which makes it frighteningly accurate of life expectancy back when my grandparents were being born. The only character who has managed to be diagnosed with a chronic disease, the kind we have a lot of these days, is the family dog (cancer).

Finally someone provided some data in this thread.

WHO statistics, centre for desease control, etc. yeah, looks like the agencies you guys normally quote for evidence in defence are now a bunch of useless 5 graders. Not to mention the creator is a Ph. D senior advisor for the First Nations centre. But what does he know compared to your friends right?

In the U.S. swine flu scare of 1976, President Gerald Ford was confronted with a potential swine flu pandemic. The vaccination program was rushed, yet plagued by delays and public relations problems. Meanwhile, maximum military containment efforts succeeded unexpectedly in confining the new strain to the single army base where it had originated. On that base a number of soldiers fell severely ill, but only one died. The program was canceled, after about 24% of the population had received vaccinations. An excess in deaths of twenty-five over normal annual levels as well as 400 excess hospitalizations, both from Guillain-Barré syndrome, were estimated to have occurred from the vaccination program itself, illustrating that vaccine itself is not free of risks. The result has been cited to stoke lingering doubts about vaccination. In the end, however, even the maligned 1976 vaccine may have saved lives. A 2010 study found a significantly enhanced immune response against the 2009 pandemic H1N1 in study participants who had received vaccination against the swine flu in 1976.

It cute how you credit vaccines for living longer and not the better and cleaner way of life of the last century. Not to mention that Penicillin was discovered in 1929 by Alexander Flemming. If people should be praising anything it should be antibiotics, vitamins, plumbing...

Again, not saying all vaccines are bad. But talking about forcing all vaccines on people is asinine to say the least.

Where's the data?

So far only Altimaomega has provided any.

So if I'm reading this correctly, you're attributing greater longevity with advances in medical science and modern technology, but you're leaving vaccines off that list because... reasons?

Yeah, and it was false data, as usual. Feel free to provide as much data as you want Chaos.

Toss out some "real" data for us. Oh.. wait... That would require actually contributing to a thread. Can't have that from you now can we.

That... has nothing to do with what my statement. I'm very aware that you're throwing that bolded sentiment around as some sort of disclaimer while simultaneously throwing around "data" from anti-vaccination idiots.

Its like you are looking in the mirror when trying to address me. Its really adorable. Everything you try to allege about everyone else on this site is only attributable to you. Looking in this thread, everything you have posted has been thoroughly disproven, most of the time by your own links that you fail to understand. But please, keep trying to post for our entertainment.

That would require actually contributing to a thread. Can't have that from you now can we.

If you don't care enough about your own health or the health of your family's to make thoughtful, informed decisions, that's fine. No one cares.

I care. Just because someone's father is an idiot makes ill-informed decisions doesn't mean they should suffer disease with possible complications and death.

Yeah, and it was false data, as usual. Feel free to provide as much data as you want Chaos.

If flu shots are beneficial, then the burden of proof is on those who think they are.

You provided data showing that they're beneficial, though...

How can you provide the data you want and then demand that someone refute your opinion that isn't even based on your own data!?

Finally someone provided some data in this thread.

In the article you base all your anti-flu shot ***, the "genius" journalist cites an article as (supposedly) debunking 2005 estimations of the shots reducing the mortality caused by the flu in 50%. Like you she probably didn't read the full article, which says that the mortality reduction was overestimated, but one of their conclusions is also this:
It is important to note, however, that if high vaccination coverage had been achieved during the 1968 pandemic and the following decade, many of the approximately 130 000 influenza-related deaths that occurred in this period among people aged 45 to 74 years might have been prevented.

Stop spreading *** please, you can show your grades and whatever (biology is your lowest grade as I can see, though), saying that the flu vaccine is like taking vitamins shows perfectly your level of understating on the subject.

Supposing the worst estimates there are 270 ppl/y in the US injured by flu vaccine (and a fraction of them die). Supposing that all of them die, it would take 481 years to equal the deaths of that decade.

Lol, yeah, a tantrum.

Not vaccinating has serious ramifications for others. If you don't care enough about your own health or the health of your family's to make thoughtful, informed decisions, that's fine. No one cares. It's everyone else that deserve the concern. That thought hasn't quite percolated in yet, but hopefully you'll get it.

Tolerate and affirm my lifestyle choices you hatefilled bigot!

This data that Altimaomega provided?