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 Asura.Kingnobody
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-02-22 09:14:42  
Gathering all the potential Flower-head posts together for a simple, single response:

Lakshmi.Ryanx said: »
fantastic film it shows the curuption of medical and how vaccines are dangerious for you. Wake up and see the truth do not fall for all this brain washing. There are more people with cronic illneses these days then there where 100 years ago. Just look around. Main cause GMO,Pharma company's cashing in on selling people drugs and vaccines so they can sell you more drugs and more vaccines . quote "If a lie is told long enough and loud enough people will believe it as fact"
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With all this vaccine talk and measles running rampant, I figured people must be dieing in the thousands..... Turns out nobody has died from the measles in an entire decade. Shocking I know! Even more shocking over 100 people have died from the measles vaccine during the same decade.. Crazy stuff huh.. All this fear mongering and everyone demanding to make even more things mandatory to actually live in this so called free country I figured on seeing much higher numbers on both sides of the spectrum.

http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/zero-u-s-measles-deaths-in-10-years-but-over-100-measles-vaccine-deaths-reported/

Where exactly do we draw the line, or do we just force everyone to get vaccinated for every single thing? Are vaccines forcing more virulent strands of the very thing they are suppose to prevent, similar to antibiotics? The Flu shot has been losing its popularity because it has become less effective. Hell, its difficult to even look up how many people die from getting the flu vaccine. Does that not bother anyone?

Not saying don't get vaccinated from dire disease, just think about all the repercussions that could possibly happen if you do or don't.
First off, that movie is riddled with errors and analysis failures.

For example, here is a quote from the movie:

"Where does the government get their data? From the people who make the drugs, and that's dangerous."

Let's look at that sentence seriously for a moment.

Only one group of people knows how to make the medicine. But that doesn't mean that another group cannot take the medicine and separate the components down to specific chemicals. The FDA asks the pharmaceutical companies to provide the data of the medicine and checks the medicine itself before releasing it to the public.

Pharmaceutical companies are one of the most heavily regulated companies in the world. The reason behind this is because of the apparent health risks associated with lack of regulation, so this is one of those rare cases where heavy regulations, even excessive regulations, are good for the community and good for the companies.

If anything in that film is true, then you would see a whole lot more deaths and disabilities from medicine than you currently see. Except you don't. Why is that? Because that movie is a scare tactic for those who are weak minded enough to fall for ***like this.

Now, to the vaccine argument. People have attributed 100 deaths to vaccines, and rightly so. But considering that there are billions of vaccinations occurred within that timeline to create 100 deaths, which was over a decade, you are looking at a risk rate of .000001%.

Now, there are 145,700 deaths from measles in 2013. That was in 1 year. That means, using the 100 per decade stat, there were 1,457,000 deaths during that entire time. Every single one of these deaths did not have the vaccine given to the person prior to their death. Altima has proven that for us by his statement quoted above.

Also during that time, the vaccine has prevented an estimated 15.6 million deaths. These were people who would have died, not just who would have contracted the disease.

So, yes, vaccines work. Vaccines are a better risk to a person than taking a chance with measles.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-02-22 09:22:20  
You are never going to convince them King.

All you have is facts.

They have beliefs.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-22 09:22:58  
Chaos: I was alluding to this line:



Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
The only scam going on in regards to vaccines are flu shots. Unless you really think that humans can be protected against all strains flu and ignore the stronger and stronger waves of flu viruses that circulate every year now.

The human race brought down trying to protect itself from the common cold to increase profits. Very poetic.


the flu is not the cold, and that's not even attacking your assertion that anyone is trying to stop all strands of the flu with one flu shot, as that is not the case. Also not even addressing the part of the "stronger and stronger" bit, as lol...
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By fonewear 2015-02-22 09:23:37  
That still doesn't explain the unsolved mysteries of...unsolved mysteries !
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-02-22 09:25:31  
should probably destroy the sun too so people won't get skin cancer
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-02-22 09:27:04  
Altimaomega said: »
With all this vaccine talk and measles running rampant, I figured people must be dieing in the thousands..... Turns out nobody has died from the measles in an entire decade. Shocking I know! Even more shocking over 100 people have died from the measles vaccine during the same decade.. Crazy stuff huh.. All this fear mongering and everyone demanding to make even more things mandatory to actually live in this so called free country I figured on seeing much higher numbers on both sides of the spectrum.

http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/zero-u-s-measles-deaths-in-10-years-but-over-100-measles-vaccine-deaths-reported/

Where exactly do we draw the line, or do we just force everyone to get vaccinated for every single thing? Are vaccines forcing more virulent strands of the very thing they are suppose to prevent, similar to antibiotics? The Flu shot has been losing its popularity because it has become less effective. Hell, its difficult to even look up how many people die from getting the flu vaccine. Does that not bother anyone?

Not saying don't get vaccinated from dire disease, just think about all the repercussions that could possibly happen if you do or don't.

You can twist data to support almost any conclusion, but you have to follow the data to a conclusion, not lead it there.

A product of that same fallacious line of thinking...
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By fonewear 2015-02-22 09:34:05  
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-22 09:35:58  
Jetackuu said: »
Chaos: I was alluding to this line:



Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
The only scam going on in regards to vaccines are flu shots. Unless you really think that humans can be protected against all strains flu and ignore the stronger and stronger waves of flu viruses that circulate every year now.

The human race brought down trying to protect itself from the common cold to increase profits. Very poetic.


the flu is not the cold, and that's not even attacking your assertion that anyone is trying to stop all strands of the flu with one flu shot, as that is not the case. Also not even addressing the part of the "stronger and stronger" bit, as lol...
I take it you have no actual argument for flu shots then?
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By fonewear 2015-02-22 09:36:24  
Flu shots are government mind control !


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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-22 09:38:14  
fonewear said: »
Flu shots are government mind control !


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By fonewear 2015-02-22 09:38:59  
That was a great episode.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-02-22 10:25:39  
Odin.Jassik said: »
A product of that same fallacious line of thinking...
Huh, so that explains why I have an uncontrollable craving for Dilaudid at all times. It wasn't the opioid benefits, it was that evil MMR.

No, wait, the other thing... I took one of the most powerful opioids available to medical science for a severe skull and brain injury, then walked out of the hospital (well, I was wheeled out, stupid liability nonsense) and didn't even both filling my scrip for oxycodone.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-22 10:38:33  
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Chaos: I was alluding to this line:



Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
The only scam going on in regards to vaccines are flu shots. Unless you really think that humans can be protected against all strains flu and ignore the stronger and stronger waves of flu viruses that circulate every year now.

The human race brought down trying to protect itself from the common cold to increase profits. Very poetic.


the flu is not the cold, and that's not even attacking your assertion that anyone is trying to stop all strands of the flu with one flu shot, as that is not the case. Also not even addressing the part of the "stronger and stronger" bit, as lol...
I take it you have no actual argument for flu shots then?
they're cheap/free
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-02-22 10:55:18  
Jetackuu said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Chaos: I was alluding to this line:



Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
The only scam going on in regards to vaccines are flu shots. Unless you really think that humans can be protected against all strains flu and ignore the stronger and stronger waves of flu viruses that circulate every year now.

The human race brought down trying to protect itself from the common cold to increase profits. Very poetic.


the flu is not the cold, and that's not even attacking your assertion that anyone is trying to stop all strands of the flu with one flu shot, as that is not the case. Also not even addressing the part of the "stronger and stronger" bit, as lol...
I take it you have no actual argument for flu shots then?
they're cheap/free
By that logic everyone should be smoking crack, taking heroin, and giving away their name and address on every pop up for a contest they see as all those things are cheap/free.
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-22 11:06:10  
Since when has heroin or crack been cheap and/or free?
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By fonewear 2015-02-22 11:09:15  
Both heroin and crack are relatively inexpensive. He is saying just because something is cheap or free. Doesn't mean you should get it.
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-22 11:11:14  
Again, since when has crack and heroin been cheap or free?

here it's 20 bucks for half a gram.

In comparison, smoking is cheap, free if you bum a smoke from someone generous.
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By fonewear 2015-02-22 11:12:58  
Saying flu shots are cheap or free doesn't mean it is a good argument to get them.

Just like saying drugs are cheap you should get them.
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-22 11:14:34  
Keep in mind there are other associate costs with illegal drug use - fines, prison, selling ***for an addiction, desperation etc. where as a vaccine is once every 4 months and helps to protect people from diseases, viruses, and certain bacterial infections, provides herd immunity, and saves money through preventative measures.

Equating the two to being similar is a stretch I used to think only Lordgrim would be capable of. Guess Chaos can make that stretch as well.
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By fonewear 2015-02-22 11:15:55  
I don't think getting a flu shot is for everyone personally. Normally old and very young are recommended to get them.
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By Bloodrose 2015-02-22 11:18:59  
If people actually went and spoke with their doctors about their medical history, general localization of incoming flu strains, etc. they'd be able to make a better, more informed decision on whether or not a particular vaccine is going to do them more harm then good.

But you know, read the absolute trite *** on the internet and assume you're smarter than your doctor.
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By fonewear 2015-02-22 11:22:10  
Due to Obamacare your doctor is this:

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By Bloodrose 2015-02-22 11:24:07  
>.> you may be ignoring the assertion that there were many doctors like that BEFORE Obamacare.
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By fonewear 2015-02-22 11:24:47  
Before Obama America was a third world country !

Homophobic racist lazy etc !
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-22 12:33:10  
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Chaos: I was alluding to this line:



Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
The only scam going on in regards to vaccines are flu shots. Unless you really think that humans can be protected against all strains flu and ignore the stronger and stronger waves of flu viruses that circulate every year now.

The human race brought down trying to protect itself from the common cold to increase profits. Very poetic.


the flu is not the cold, and that's not even attacking your assertion that anyone is trying to stop all strands of the flu with one flu shot, as that is not the case. Also not even addressing the part of the "stronger and stronger" bit, as lol...
I take it you have no actual argument for flu shots then?
they're cheap/free
By that logic everyone should be smoking crack, taking heroin, and giving away their name and address on every pop up for a contest they see as all those things are cheap/free.

Last I checked, none of those other things prevented you from getting a particular strain of the flu virus, plus you were the one who came to your conclusion, not I.
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-22 12:35:18  
fonewear said: »
I don't think getting a flu shot is for everyone personally. Normally old and very young are recommended to get them.

People who are around/live/work with young/old etc should be getting them as well.

Some companies require employees to get flu shots or wear face masks on the property.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-02-22 12:46:51  
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Shiva.Onorgul said: »
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EMF radiation
I'll bite... have a citation for this one? From a peer-reviewed source, please?

I mean, there's a part of me that can believe radio waves bouncing off a device I wear on my hip might be problematic. But just saying "EMF" is probably showing a distinct lack of what constitutions electromagnetic frequencies. For instance, every human, ever, in the whole of our history, even going back to our anthropoid ancestors and beyond, at least 'til the emergence of land-bound life, has been subjected to a form of EM radiation that causes DNA damage and consequent cancer, in addition to lesser problems like burns and vitamin overdose. But I feel certain that can't be what you're referring to.
Basically this, I don't think that most people understand that we get a dose of constant radiation just for being on this planet, and from different types.
So naturally occurring radiation exist and therefore man made amplified radiation is fine.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-02-22 12:54:45  
How much radiation do you get from regularly eating GMOs?
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By Valefor.Endoq 2015-02-22 12:59:39  
Bismarck.Ihina said: »
How much radiation do you get from regularly eating GMOs?
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By Jetackuu 2015-02-22 13:03:05  
Valefor.Endoq said: »
So naturally occurring radiation exist and therefore man made amplified radiation is fine.

There's all kinds of radiation, and yes it exists in nature.

But the disconnect that you just created in your brain is astounding.

Non-Ionizing radiation is virtually harmless. (due to a lack of potency really).

Ionizing radiation you don't want to be blasted with, but still it would take a good bit of it to do any real harm, usually over time.

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