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 Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-03-12 18:35:30  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
I was hoping that Pleebo would answer your question for you. I know that herd immunity is something worth considering for all vaccines, including flu.
I did. It's a working hypothesis with little evidence supporting it so far, but it makes sense with regard to adaptive response since greater herd immunity exerts greater selectional pressure. HOWEVER, the idea posited by the link as false (that greater immunity creates stronger pathogens) is not supported.

So, yeah, I have no idea how this relates to Chaos's point and I imagine neither does he. People who would like to reduce their risk of getting the flu should get a flu shot. I mean, it's braindead logic yet it's being argued against.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-12 18:39:07  
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The notion that vaccination can do that latter strikes me as very unlikely (note: I've got enough medical training that this isn't blind opinion). MRSA and other super-bugs are a result of exogenous antibiotics, not endogenous antibodies.

As for developing herd immunity to influenza, I strongly doubt it's possible with current medical tech. The virus is far too effective at mutating and there's far too many strains of it. HOWEVER, scientists have discovered a novel way of "vaccinating" against herpes simplex viruses that... I'd have to look up the specifics, but it uses a very different method than traditional vaccines. It's entirely possible we'll find a similar novel method that can block the rapid mutations of influenza and rhinovirus, too. The FDA is starting trials of a functional cure for HIV (note: it's a cure that functions for retroviruses, so it wouldn't be immediately adaptable to standard viruses), a virus that we've already got so well-controlled that infection no longer reduces life expectancy. Give medical science some credit: we're making strides in anti-viral techniques that will eventually render current vaccines obsolete.
Finally a start!

Wow. I mean it's riddled with a snarky attitude, and started off as me almost ignoring it as I almost thought you missed the point again, but I think we finally made some progress.
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 Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-12 18:40:41  
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
It's a working hypothesis with little evidence supporting it so far
Success again!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-03-12 18:42:51  
I think Ono may be the route to go though, as he actually took the time to explain things. Let me get back to you on this tomorrow.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2015-03-12 19:12:26  
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
I think Ono may be the route to go though, as he actually took the time to explain things. Let me get back to you on this tomorrow.
Aww, I heard that the Pleebo ending was what people usually aimed to get!
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By Lakshmi.Ryanx 2015-03-18 17:54:12  
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I could care less about troll's out there. Best I can do is try to educate the few intelligent people out there.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-03-18 18:28:23  
Lakshmi.Ryanx said: »
I could care less about troll's out there. Best I can do is try to educate the few intelligent people out there.
If you're going to claim to be intelligent, learn how to type in English, you twerp.

"I couldn't care less about trolls out there." Also, use of a duplicate phrase in two mere sentences is rather awkward and gauche.



Incidentally, this reminds me, I finally figured out why we should all oppose vaccination. It's a peculiarly round-about fix to the destruction of the middle class, living wages, and the like. Students of history are no doubt familiar with the Black Plague, which was possibly caused by gerbils. What sometimes gets forgotten is that the deaths of huge swaths of Europe's population drove an increase in worker's wages and provided the foundation point for a middle class to evolve where there had formerly been none.

Basically, all the anti-vaxxers are trying to kill themselves and about 1/3 of all humans (which is a little under 2.5 billion people) so as to facilitate a living wage for work done. We should cheer them on. Destroying a substantial fraction of the population leads to literally centuries of better wages and living conditions. Even a small death does pretty well, just ask the UK how they fared after losing so many of their young men in World War I and the Spanish flu pandemic that followed it.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2015-03-18 19:06:22  
Lakshmi.Ryanx said: »
I could care less about troll's out there. Best I can do is try to educate the few intelligent people out there.
There is a huge difference between trolling and trying to prevent people from spreading misinformation that could put so many people at risk.

Your inability to differentiate good science from fearmongering is telling.
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