For All Of You Diagnosed With Adhd.

I don't even know where to start on that nonsensical dribble.

Wait... I just don't even... What? You're painting Norman Borlaug as a bad guy? The man was a modern day saint.

Please show me these studies on how GMO wheat is less nutritional than organic or whatever. Show me at least one peer reviewed study and we'll take it from there.

Half tempted to call you a troll, but the other half makes me think of Ron White saying "You can't fix stupid."

@pleebo, nope.

I said he helped develope a weed like strand of wheat. The ramifications of this did help with the 3rd world, but hurt the 1st world nations.

Also good for all the starving people, nothing against them, never said anything to that or close to it. Your words belong in your mouth, not mine so stop trying to put them there.

Answer me this, pleeb or you.

Why are produce developed for the 3rd world mainly consumed in the 1st world nation?

He won the Nobel prize for his work which helped 3rd world, its nice from a PR standpoint but he was working a Job. Saint, if u say so. His work paid for by big agri, has allowed big business to line their pockets and push inferior produce. The man did his Job HE is not the Dbag big Business is.

Also no study, its called reading and comparison. The USDA puts out the figures for all to see. If you try to pull a "show me the study," make sure you have a clue. Kthnx.

More people. What do I win?

Actually I'm pretty sure he won the peace prize by actually going to all those third world countries, donating the materials needed, and then showing all the people the best ways to yield crops.

So not only did he create the technology that went into the plants themselves, but he did it for the betterment of the human race and not for money. He actively tried to end world hunger, and made a pretty good try at it.

So yes, a *** saint is putting it lightly.

Also...

Not 100% on this, but I'm pretty sure in order to claim that there has been a change in something... say the nutritional value of wheat since the 1950's... That you would need to have a list of the values and finding over a course of a period. And if you were "studying" something and wanted to publish this information, modern science calls for peer review as to rule out biased and unfounded claims.

So, since I can't ask for a study... Could you show me where you read this knowledge of nutritional decreases in wheat? I would prefer a website or a book as I don't fancy climbing up your ***.

More people here in the 1st world /USA than in the 3rd world????

go eat your golden rice man and think on that one.


facts

granted the award in 1970 for lifetime of work, developed his dwarf wheat as a Job, that he later applied it to helpign the 3rd world has Nothing to do with the fact that what Big agri has doen with it is not good in any way.

Also I give you permission to think of him as a saint, satisfied?
I don't think he is a saint but then thats me, you can think what ever you want.

BTW Barack O Bama and the Europen Union were awarded Nobel Prizes... so yeah sit and spin on that.

USDA report... get to work.
but since you seem lazy.

Facts


hmm cultivated varieties... OH WAIT! yep, as in the shift to more "Hardy" crops vs heirloom strains.

Smacked you with some hard facts there buddy, hope you're OK.

Side note: As much as you might like it, coming near my *** with such an intention will get u kicked/punched/ pepper sprayed.

As a mother of a son who's been diagnosed with ADHD a bit against my will (his dad and his GF did the whole process), I am not surprised to see this. I have tried convincing them to just watch what he eats and make sure he is active ( I do it and have np) but it went in deft ears. The doctors and social workers treated me as a bad mother for refusing to give him any medication but I do not give him any when he is at my home. To me, it's a lazy way to deal with a more energetic kids, it infuriates me.

Back then, it didn't even existed. Lots of this being caused today because of our bad eating habits and lacks of exercises. Kids are just not meant to be stuck inside anyway.

Dr. Russel barkley on ADHD


It's very long, but a lot of what he says I agree with.

The first few minutes provide a general overview of the entire lecture just to grasp an idea of what he's saying.

This is pretty much how I feel about it too. I really dislike how what's most likely perfectly normal kids are being shoved full of pills because they are more energetic and having trouble focusing at times.

Structure, a little discipline and a ton of activity, physical, and you will have perfect little angels.

I have dealt with some "Severely" hyperactive clients in the past. A solid hour of activities and they are pretty mellow and ready to focus on less active pursuits.

But in a world were recess is kids on their cells and balls being banned, good luck working out extra energy. If a kid is unfocused and hyper after an active day then you start wondering, but how often are these "diagnoses" done properly. Right now 3 year olds are starting to be diagnosed, they don't even have developed brains but hey "Doctor" said it so it must be true.

That's sad. Maybe they don't set aside enough time to indulge his needs? Not a fan of my ex sister-in-law's lazy approach to her son. :/

My son is still a toddler, so we're still working on dexterity, but with my nephew I've found that simply engaging in activities together subdued some of his spontaneous "wildness". Give him an objective to focus his attention on and he's good to go. Baking cookies, making homemade play-doh, construction paper masks and dinosaurs, popsicle stick puppets, ect.

It's all essentially killing four birds with one stone. Fundamental introduction of fractions/reading (if the activity includes directions)/scissors for dexterity, they're getting one-on-one chats/attention, it quells the hyperactivity and acting out, and they also get to reap the rewards of a task followed through to completion.

But it doesn't work.

BT corn has bred BT resistant bugs. So they plant the BT corn and still spray neonicotinoids.

Roundup ready crops... it seems plants share genes almost as much as bactiera do so now we have roundup ready weeds. The soloution? Even more herbicides.

Not all GMO is bad. Golden rice is engineered to have Beta Carotene
which much of the rice based diets around the world lack. (I always wanted to assemble and manage a vegan rock band and name it Beta and the carrot tones.)

And then there are the anti mosquito mosquitoes. (Look those up yourself.)

Finally, the dwarf wheat around here was produced by good old fashioned selective breeding, not genetic engineering.

that last part of me that was human just died...

now you will all pay.....

I was not trying to say these strains were directly manipulated.
Directly manipulating the genetics of a plant is just a step up in GMO, selective breeding is an older form of GMO, it has been going on for millennia. However the current trend in GMO is to gain "Hardiness" with taste and nutrition as an after thought.

For example sweet million tomatoes are not grown commercially, they are GMO, but they are sweeter and, to me and many others, taste better.

I grow sweet millio s because they are better, not "Hardy." I could grow a "Hardy." Grape tomatoe variety and it would be easier and more productive but those suck in comparison.

"Words mean what I want them to mean."

Nonsense. Washington's hard winter wheat is in high global demand. It was bred to thrive on 16" of annual rainfall. It is more nutritious than many varieties, but most of the the nutrition is milled out before it is made into noodles.

I personally blame puffyloaf white bread.

Nothing. Those qualities have to do with making arid climates productive and deserts bloom. Not to mention reducing crop failures.

Nutrition has far more to do with what happens when the produce leaves the farm than what happens on the farm.

1) never said all GMO were bad.
2) Growing for better taste is different than growing for profit, especially if it results in inferior produce.
3) the poor don't benefit from big business turning greater profits.

If all that is on the AH is nq avatar rings would u be happy paying HQ prices? What If I told u HQ rings were available and Gold smithers simply refused to put them for sale to avoid driving down the price of NQ? This is what big agri does, not in 3rd world, right here in 1st world.

Big agri uses inferior produce strains and get their profits as high as possible. Then they toss organic on other inferior produce and sell that at a higher price. Then to rub salt you can go to a farmers market and find better produce for the same or less. If thats not viable you can grow them. But sometimes you can't do either and then your stuck paying out the nose for faux organic or eating inferior produce.

Sure food is food when you are starving, but this isn't about starving african children, its about us 1st worlders sitting posting on interwebs and how many of us are happy eating as we are told.

#OBEY
#firstworldproblems.

It does work. There's always going to be an arms race against natural resistance. We don't stop researching/making new antibiotics just because older ones don't work as well. And I think neonicotinoids use needs to be banned already.

Resistance ≠ gene transfer. There are round-up resistant weeds but I have not heard of a round-up ready weed.

Ok, you're conflating the anti-GMO rhetoric with general gripes about the business of agriculture. It makes your point messy and wasn't really what I was referring to in my original comment on the topic.

Temporarily ignoring that your whole point has been a complete mess of far-left rallying cries instead of coherence sense...

I live in the middle of a major farming area. Everything that isn't city for a 50-mile radius is generally being used to grow stuff. And yet I go to the many farmers' markets that pop up and, lo and behold, they're charging more than those mean, nasty corporations.

Goodness, why? It couldn't be because they can. Farmers aren't businessmen with the savvy to know their locally grown food (which probably isn't organic but don't worry because no one knows what organic really means) can sell for a premium to deluded hippies. About the only way for me to get good produce cheaply is to go to one of the markets being held in the really poor neighborhoods, the ones that advertise that you can use food stamps to buy their product. The other ones, and this town has farmers' markets with decades of history, know full well who they're dealing with.

But, yeah, let's go ahead and blame the big, faceless corp for doing the same thing anyone with half a brain does.

It seems like the argument here over GMO isn't so much in foods being Genetically Modified, which we as humans have been doing for thousands of years. It has to do with foods being Genetically Engineered. There are some benefits to Genetic Engineering, but like any invention, it is all in the hands of the user as far as how it is used. Engineering food by itself isn't bad. Developing crops that can grow in harsh environments isn't bad. But when those crops are grown an environment that doesn't require that particular variety, bad things can happen.

This of course does happen naturally as well. Which is why you have to claim any and all fruits and vegetables you bring into another country. Hell, here in VA, Five Guys Burger and Fries have signs on the doors telling customers that they are not allowed to take peanuts with them. I asked a manager about this, and he said local peanut farmers do not want a foreign variety of peanut introduced into the local ecosystem, as peanuts are a big business here in VA.


I wasn't just tossing this out there. While it wasn't a blind taste test, I have tasted organic crops side by side with locally grown, in season crops. Tomatoes, squash, cucumbers, carrots, celery, etc etc. All tasted better when it was the organic variety.

This isn't to say I'm all gung-ho, 100% organic only. My wallet can't support the organic only trend. The only thing I am close to that way about is meat. If I have the option, I will only get free range, steroid free chicken, and free range, grass fed, antibiotic/hormone/steroid free beef. in fact, I am planning on buying half a cow in April, and just eating it all year, and not have to worry about buying it weekly as the grocery store weekly.

I thought this was an LOL comment, but when I actually googled "Certified Organic", I actually couldn't easily find a clear definition as to what it is.

that seems like quite an organic response.

You must excuse me, I'm pretty sleep deprived. I may even be Certifiable.

Fits better in this thread than RT

Certified organic is a scam.

Do you not understand the reason why blind is necessary? If I tell you that one bowl contains chocolate pudding and one bowl contains goat diarrhea, you're going to like the first one even if they both contain the same thing.

In a practical sense, there's no difference between those two terms. The end result is the same - a genetically different strain - and the problems associated with their use, like the one you described, find commonality with agriculture as a whole.

On a side note, I've done blind tests of generic vs onbrand products (it's been years, so my tastes may have changed since then) but I had a perfect score, others: not so much.

But considering my eating habits haven't really changed much since then, it's possible I still have it.

Now that's something entirely different than trying to taste the difference between gmo and non-gmo food, personally I don't give a damn about that.

I apologize if this has already been interjected (My adhd wouldn't let me read everything).

I read a book one time about how some studies have shown that adhd is more prevalent in areas that are still tribal in nature, i.e. hunting societies.

The point of the book was to theorize that people with adhd are people who, we'll call the hunters, have inherited old genes from back in the day when we hunted things. Hunters need to constantly be moving, looking, watching and not focused on any one thing (or they may scare off or miss their prey).

Eventually, people started growing crops. These people were the beginning of the current civilizations. As we evolved our hunter gene took a backseat to a gene that would allow us to be very patient, farm the same thing year after year, and tend to the crops. Call this the farmer gene.

The farmer gene became the mainstream gene, it was supported later during the industrial revolution by things like tedious, repetitive factory work. That's why the majority of the population has it.

This makes a lot of sense to me. We have hyper focus, which is great when we lock in on a target, but sucks to weed a garded. However, we get distracted by little noises and every little movement, which sucks if your in a factory, but may save your life in a jungle.

So, they can call it a disorder all they want. Personally, Im glad I have adhd. Screw staring at a piece of factory equipment all day. I'd rather be able to instinctively survive bad situations.

I used to be in state law enforcement and a Marine. I know from first hand experience these "distractions" will save your life. In fact, I would wager than adhd has saved my life and the lives of a few others, more than once.

The guy in Kali's video called that complete bull

It was interesting but also almost 3 hours long lol