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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-01-10 11:25:10
sometimes when people upset me or try to argue with me, i say this:
i'm god tho, since everything is extension of him then you are too!
they ofc go pretty dumb-founded and try to find a flaw in what i say but i continuously keep mindfucking them even more, until we're back to being humble again.
They can't counter what you say because what you say never makes any sense and you'll always believe yourself to be right anyway
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-01-10 11:46:05
the present can never change if everyone keeps living in the past, so the only way to make world peace is to erase everything.
the future is as consistent as the present.
god is above all that he has created and thought of, not because he doesn't care but for time to exist.
1. You think we should destroy everything so there will be world peace? Not much point in 'world peace' if there's no one left to enjoy it
2. What
3. What
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-01-10 11:51:39
Bismarck.Dracondria said: »the present can never change if everyone keeps living in the past, so the only way to make world peace is to erase everything.
the future is as consistent as the present.
god is above all that he has created and thought of, not because he doesn't care but for time to exist.
1. You think we should destroy everything so there will be world peace? Not much point in 'world peace' if there's no one left to enjoy it
2. What
3. What The bong hath spoken.
By Ramyrez 2015-01-10 11:54:07
The Chinese AztecPastafarians are God's chosen people.
By Pantafernando 2015-01-10 11:57:14
The Chinese AztecPastafariansmithras zilartians are God's chosen people.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-01-10 12:02:17
As far as science providing answers we SHOULD all accept, there are things for which that's already the case and people deny the answers. Because it isn't the answer that they want.
Even as a religious person, that one gets to me. For example, anytime I read something from young earth creationists my eyes just glaze over and a facepalm is never far off. How are their religious beliefs any significantly more absurd than anyone else's, without getting into a god of gaps argument?
Existence itself doesn't make any sense, so in that regard I guess it's not much more absurd than any other conclusion people come up with. As a man of science, though, it's hard to read the things that they're putting out there because of how badly they trample the scientific method to fit things to their narrative. To be fair, I've seen a number of scientists do the same thing. Bias is bias no matter the flavor.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-10 12:03:19
Oh Lord Bong
Thou plant be in thy water,
Inhale ye fumes I shall,
and become-eth as high as THC allows,
Your humbled servant, who believeth himself higher than others,
shall go fetch something to munch on
before returning for another hit of thy fumes.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-01-10 12:06:22
The Chinese Aztec Pastafarians mithras zilartians Kuluu are God's chosen people.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-01-10 13:45:23
There was a phrase long ago when I left organized religion.
"We are only as perfect as our imperfections. If our imperfections are not perfect, we could not be perfect."
This meant, as I perceived it, that there is no perfection except for what we perceive as perfect, in spite of, or because of, something being flawed in a flawless manner.
I'm a spiritualist, and believe in *something*, and have taken to adhering to certain beliefs that are beneficial from many various faiths.
Christianity, Catholicism, Buddhism, etc.
It was the organized religions that I had lost faith in, and sincerely doubt I could ever have faith in them again, even if I chose to create a new religion. Read Dao De Jing.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-01-11 09:13:41
Quote: This week's deadly jihadist attacks have again set off a competition between the French and Israeli governments to reassure and secure the affection of France's increasingly nervous Jewish population.
Not for the first time, Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu used an attack by Islamic extremists in France to urge the country's Jews to relocate.
"To all the Jews of France, all the Jews of Europe, I would like to say that Israel is not just the place in whose direction you pray, the state of Israel is your home," he said in a statement on Saturday.
Responding from outside the Jewish supermarket in Paris where four hostages died on Friday, French Prime Minister Manuel Valls sought to counter Netanyahu's words.
"France, without its Jews, is not France," he said.
By Pantafernando 2015-01-12 06:04:43
A lot was said about this massacre in last days, so new points to add.
First, the french police "intelligence" should be questioned of why all this happened. Kouachi brothers didnt appear out of nowhere to kill in name of islam. They were knowed criminals for a long time. Cherif kouachi was a member of buttes chaumont, an organization that was supose to send jihadist to alqaeda. Cherif was arrested and judged in 2008. He got 3 years arrested.
Kouachi brothers were also internationally knowed. They are part of usa blacklist, and even in the "no fly list": they arent even allowed to fly to or from usa.
Such criminals, with heavy jihadist influences, and still french police were incompetent to keep track of them and even allowed both to get kalashnikovs uzis and manage to sucessfull make the atempt. In their hands (french police) also lay a part of charlie hebdo blood spilled.
Now discussing what this attack means. It just serves to increase french xenophoby against muslim. And if you allow me, it isnt unfair.
Obviously we shouldnt mix diferent things. It wasnt the islam or muslim that killed charlie habdo staff. It was criminals who did it. Crimes happens all the time but this one is special first because the killers blamed the islam for that, and second, because of the symbolism, it was an attack against freedom of expression, it was an attack to intimidate anyone that goes agaisnt islam principles even if that person isnt related to islam. That is, islam terrorists wants to subjulgate people around the world acording with their laws even if those laws shouldnt be applied to ocident.
And now we can give muslim people their fair share of blame: when did some muslim authority appeared to repudiate al qaedas actions? When did muslim authority appear to said they arent related to this?
In the end, we have an incoherency that will always shape a society filled with lies and no knowledge: authorities in the world claims for the respect to the right to practice their religion, but i ask, does the muslim respects others religions? Muslims claims their religion defend the peace and harmony, but does muslim practice peace in their countries? The great contradiction is that the pluralism of religions is just respected by non muslim. If youre in a muslim country where religion and goverment are mixed, you should die in name of mohammed.
So if musli or islam is viewed as a bloodthristy religion, a part of blame should be placed in muslim people shoulders, as their representants (al qaeda, isis, etc) does not respect any other culture/value. If muslim people suport them by allowing them to do as they please, ocident just can conclude muslim consent with this.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2015-01-12 06:49:28
when did some muslim authority appeared to repudiate al qaedas actions? When did muslim authority appear to said they arent related to this? All the time, else they'll be in trouble lol
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By Asura.Vinedrius 2015-01-12 07:24:49
That is the main problem. You see those groups as representatives of the Muslim community. They are not. This is like saying a troubled teenager shooting down his classmates in school with his father's gun represents the whole USA. Yes, they take their motives from Islam but those motives are heavily corrupted. Sorry but monsters can't represent humans. If any Muslim thinks they represent Islam, they should question their own faith.
Anyway, I appreciate the joint effort of leaders and the walk of protest in France, but I can't help it but wonder, what have those leaders (including our own) been doing against the massacre going on for the last 5 years in Nigeria? Last friday, they razed a town and killed as many as 2000 people, according to the local reports. How can these people represent a religious community? One of the main principles of faith is to esteem God's creations and embrace life. They are shooting *** RPGs at kids... Yelling takbir while killing doesn't make their actions any more justifiable.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2015-01-12 07:35:39
Drancy's Imam said literally a few hours after the firs attack happened that he condemned this attack as something done by terrorists and not Muslims, done by people who worship Satan and not God.
He was followed by many Muslim countries, most of them you wouldn't even expect to say that as they have so much issues of their own, you'd think they'd focus on them. Yet, they came out of silence and joined everyone in condemning the attacks.
You REALLY cannot blame Muslim countries in general in this event.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-12 08:12:06
There is *partial* blame, due to being ridiculously silent for many years at the actions of the few, or the fact that there is so much oppression to freedoms in Islamic countries.
Every religion has it's cross to bear for the atrocities committed in it's name, even if others would distance themselves or the perpetrators.
I've said previously in the other Islam/Jihadist thread, that "Jihad", as some people interpret it doesn't mean "Holy War", but that it means "Great Struggle". In following with the depictions of the word from the texts, every follower of Islam goes through a Great Struggle in their life. It could be emotional, financial, physical, mental, or other.
I would say that facing these cowards, if they are truly Muslim and followers of Islam (those that incite violence and terror, to force their ways or interpretations of Islam upon others), would be the collective "Great Struggle" for the religion's future.
But I also believe that in order for one's faith to be truly devout, one must be free to question parts of their faith that make them uneasy. It may lead them to the answers they seek, even if it is not the answers they want, or understand immediately. In as many instances as it fades people from religion, it can be a method to bolster said religion, not just Islam.
People have been doing so in such a fashion with many other religions in an attempt to counter corruption and tyranny, most pre-dominantly with Christian and Catholic views.
And this is coming from a guy who knows a fair amount of Christian History. The History isn't pretty by any means. In fact, it's quite gruesome what some of the inquisitors would do to those suspected of heresy.
I'm not trying to taint the view of Christianity or bash it by any means. Just being realistic with it's founding, and the silence that came with it at that time. Moderate Christians still carry this burden, but many are truly good at heart, and help many people. The Fanaticals and Radicals do cause and give it an unjust reputation, but they are, by and large, followers of the religion. This fact is accepted, and many denounce their violent and volatile views whole-heartedly.
While a few have or will indoctrinate others to spread hate and fear, I think it becomes even more important to understand that while many despise such practices, acting in a way that says "it's got nothing to do with me" or "that isn't really *insert religion here*", or otherwise being silent, it superficially condones the actions of the radical few.
At this point, however, I would say it's not just Islam or the Muslims who should shoulder the collective blame. There is a lot of unfounded stigmatism towards radical groups and innocent people of that same religion. Sparks of new violence towards innocent people, simply for being affiliated with peaceful, moderate branches of the faith, because of a few violent radicals. And there is no need for that kind of violence to occur.
And... that's my Wall-O-Text.
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By Pantafernando 2015-01-12 08:25:09
Im sorry this page (extracted from a tv program here in brasil) is all in portuguese. If anyone cares, you can just translate the text in google, but the point of this report was to show the intolerance of islam, though the side more extremist of islam, against occident actions. It wasnt al qaeda or other terrorist groups that incentivate islam that kind of reaction. It was a part of islam people.
http://g1.globo.com/fantastico/noticia/2015/01/saiba-como-comecou-intolerancia-de-radicais-islamicos-charges.html
Slong story short, its about a documentary about when jyllands-postens released 12 cartoons with islam references, that resulted in building burned and people inclusion to "black list". If anything, just checkthe video in 0:40, where you can see islam reaction to those charges. There is even a guy offering 1 million if someone kills the cartonist. Heres the jyllands-postens wikipedia page:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten
I dont think the islam people intolerance can be denied. That intolerance feed extremists groups that act around the world.
But i must say intolerance by the fundamentalism side of islam. Still that part of islam society that allow terrorist to act.
Condeming attack is the easy part. Any lie can be told to make up horrible acts. But how to explain, over years, ISI and al qaeda just have been growing. Terrorist organizations should be countered by islam countries. But a local problem of islam has been passing its country boundaries to attack other countries.
By Pantafernando 2015-01-12 08:31:16
But i cant be naive, and not to mention the islam issues roots arent religious, but mainly political, from an already distant past, where sides of cold war played an irresponsible game with others countries.
Still, to be freed of the neverending hatred chain, only the own muslim people can do. and unfortunelly, they hadnt been doing.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2015-01-12 08:38:05
I wouldn't blame, say, Algeria/Comoros over their silence. If they've been silent, I don't know if they have.
They're the kind of countries that automatically give you their support in such situation. I don't know who would complain about them being silent.
But i cant be naive, and not to mention the islam issues roots arent religious, but mainly political, from an already distant past, where sides of cold war played an irresponsible game with others countries.
Still, to be freed of the neverending hatred chain, only the own muslim people can do. and unfortunelly, they hadnt been doing. On one side, you have western countries not doing ***, or doing too much. On the other, you have Muslim countries who aren't strong countries in any way and can hardly do anything without western countries coming to police it.
You want them to do something but how can they when nowadays you have armies financed by the US? It's like, I don't know, say, Syria attacks Iran to stop the extremist ***, but suddenly, Iran pops its pocket US army and Syria gets ***.
2 days later, you come here complaining that Egypt isn't attacking Iran/manifesting their opposition.
This is literally what people are doing here. I don't know if it's pure ignorance, but these people complaining about Muslim countries "not doing anything" are clearly not taking a lot of information into consideration.
Furthermore, beyond that, the extremists are people who are everywhere, they are very difficult to narrow down.
So, you have the Sahara for example that is a huge home for all of them, Maghreb knows it, everyone know it actually, but who is going there to stop them? Nobody. Why? I don't know, but there is a reason, very similar to the US/West funding armies in Muslim countries.
This guy gets it, though:
http://rt.com/politics/221671-kadyrov-chechnya-charlie-hebdo/
Shows how patient he is considering his last line.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2015-01-12 09:09:00
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »About the same as George Gallowy's response:
GeorgeGallowy said: The terrorist murder of French journalists and police officers in Paris this morning must like all such actions be utterly condemned. Only hypocrites decry some such murders but not others. Hypocrites like among others the French government which has been facilitating exactly such carnage, except daily, in Syria for the last four years. And through the agency of the very same kind of terrorists as murdered the French citizens today.
The provocative actions of the publication Charlie Hebdo cannot possibly be a justification for murder, mass murder. The idea that God, the master of the worlds, the creator of the universes is in need of "revenge" against a small satirical publication in Paris is absurd and makes a mockery of Islam.
It was already difficult being a Muslim in France in the teeth of ceaseless provocation and the lash of racism and Islamophobia. Today it just got more difficult. Those who hate Muslims and their religion have been strengthened by these murders. The west in general appears locked on a course of confrontation with much of the Muslim world. Invasion, occupation, bombardment, provocation chase and are chased by Islamist fanaticism ever more savage and dangerous. It is the road to disaster, for all of us. We must turn back before it is too late.
Proponents of the campaign will probably cite showing solidarity in the face of terrorists to protect the sacred value that is "freedom of speech".
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-01-12 09:55:45
the present can never change if everyone keeps living in the past, so the only way to make world peace is to erase everything.
the future is as consistent as the present.
god is above all that he has created and thought of, not because he doesn't care but for time to exist. 
"The laws of the universe mean nothing!"
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By Pantafernando 2015-01-12 10:02:02
Is that the final boss of FFV?
I remember that patetic final fight where i could win just using "Coin Toss" from all chars, for stupid 4000 dmg in all parts.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-01-12 10:06:29
Yup, Neo-Exdeath. Now beat him without cheesing.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2015-01-12 10:35:51
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »About the same as George Gallowy's response:
GeorgeGallowy said: The terrorist murder of French journalists and police officers in Paris this morning must like all such actions be utterly condemned. Only hypocrites decry some such murders but not others. Hypocrites like among others the French government which has been facilitating exactly such carnage, except daily, in Syria for the last four years. And through the agency of the very same kind of terrorists as murdered the French citizens today.
The provocative actions of the publication Charlie Hebdo cannot possibly be a justification for murder, mass murder. The idea that God, the master of the worlds, the creator of the universes is in need of "revenge" against a small satirical publication in Paris is absurd and makes a mockery of Islam.
It was already difficult being a Muslim in France in the teeth of ceaseless provocation and the lash of racism and Islamophobia. Today it just got more difficult. Those who hate Muslims and their religion have been strengthened by these murders. The west in general appears locked on a course of confrontation with much of the Muslim world. Invasion, occupation, bombardment, provocation chase and are chased by Islamist fanaticism ever more savage and dangerous. It is the road to disaster, for all of us. We must turn back before it is too late.
Proponents of the campaign will probably cite showing solidarity in the face of terrorists to protect the sacred value that is "freedom of speech". In the same line, a journalist of Charlie Hebdo said Friday that he's "disgusted" that people who didn't give a ***or were against Charlie Hebdo before the incident are now acting as if they were sad and all. People are all getting together to condemn the attacks not only because it's normal to not be happy about them, but because it makes them look good.
The far right went to the march but not with everyone, they went separately as they were not invited by the rest of the political field. And whether people like the far right or not, I find it quite wrong, in a time where people are crying for everyone to unite as one, to actually reject a certain kind of humans who are just as hurt by what happened and wish to add their support.
Another person also explained that there is a very bad double standard as Charlie Hebdo was more offensive toward Islam than Dieudonné was toward Zionism, yet Dieudonné was and still is censored/sued/victim of death threats whereas Charlie Hebdo was first ignored/protected because of freedom of speech, and is now considered a hero.
Overall, I'm happy that I didn't have to talk about that in public or with random people here in France, I'd have nothing nice to say toward those fake heroes people praise.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-01-12 10:41:49
Not enough conspiracies
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Hollande claiming it was Illuminati!!
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2015-01-12 10:50:02
In this specific context/sentence, "illuminés" means "crazy" and "faith driven". He's referring to religious extremists.
Always a random guy to post a video on youtube to force things.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-01-12 10:51:18
Hey there's still a lot of people saying the entire shooting was fake and staged!
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2015-01-12 10:52:12
Really? I didn't see that, what the *** haha.
On today's episode of P&R we take a trip to France.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/1/7/at-least-10-deadinshootingatparissatiricalmagazine.html
Quote: Gunmen stormed the offices of satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo in central Paris on Wednesday, leaving at least 12 people dead and sparking a massive manhunt for the killers.
Clad all in black with hoods and machine guns and speaking flawless French, the three attackers, who are now believed to be on the run, forced one of the publication's cartoonists, Corinne Rey, who was at the office with her young daughter, to open the door. In an interview with the newspaper L'Humanité, she said the entire shooting, which left 10 journalists and two police officers dead, lasted about five minutes.
Staff members of the magazine, which has courted controversy and the offense of some Muslims for publishing cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad, were in an editorial meeting at the time. The gunmen headed straight for the paper's editor, Stéphane Charbonnier — widely known by his pen name, Charb — killing him and his police bodyguard, said Christophe Crepin, a police union spokesman on the scene.
Minutes later, gunmen were seen walking to a black car waiting below, calmly firing on a police officer, with one of the killers shooting him in the head as he writhed on the ground.
"Hey! We avenged the Prophet Muhammad! We killed Charlie Hebdo," one of the men shouted, according to a video shot from a nearby building and broadcast on French television. The video could not immediately be confirmed by Al Jazeera.
Large numbers of police and ambulances rushed to the scene, where shocked residents spilled into the streets. Reporters also saw bullet-riddled windows and people being carried out on stretchers.
Bernard Cazeneuve, France's interior minister, vowed to "track down the three criminals." He added that "all of our resources will be mobilized so that we can find out who committed this act and make sure they are punished for this act of barbarity." French authorities have said that all school trips and outdoor activities have been canceled while the gunmen are at large.
French President François Hollande headed to the scene shortly after Wednesday's shooting and said that the dead were "cowardly assassinated" and that four others were critically injured. He described the shooting as a "terrorist operation against a newspaper that has been threatened several times." He added that 40 people were being protected in the aftermath of the shooting.
Charlie Hebdo as drawn repeated threats for its caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, among other controversial features. The newspaper's offices were firebombed in 2011 after a spoof issue featuring a caricature of Muhammad on its cover.
A year later, the magazine published more Muhammad drawings amid an uproar over an anti-Muslim film. The cartoons depicted Muhammad naked and in demeaning or pornographic poses. The French government defended free speech even as it rebuked Charlie Hebdo for fanning tensions.
"We treat the news like journalists. Some use cameras. Some use computers. For us, it's a paper and pencil," the Muhammad cartoonist, who goes by the name Luz, told The Associated Press in 2012. "A pencil is not a weapon. It's just a means of expression."
Charbonnier, among the 10 journalists killed Wednesday, also defended the Muhammad cartoons.
He told Le Monde newspaper two years ago, "I'd rather die standing than live on my knees." One of his last cartoons, published in this week's issue, seemed an eerie premonition. "Still no attacks in France," an extremist fighter says. "Wait — we have until the end of January to present our New Year's wishes."
The attack, for which no one has yet claimed responsibility, comes amid what a number of commentators have identified as rising xenophobia in Europe, with thousands of protesters in several German cities rallying earlier this week against Muslim immigration. France's Muslim population of 5 million is Europe's largest.
"I am extremely angry. These are criminals, barbarians. They have sold their soul to hell. This is not freedom. This is not Islam, and I hope the French will come out united at the end of this," said Hassen Chalghoumi, imam of the Drancy mosque in Paris' Seine-St.-Denis northern suburb.
New York–based advocacy group the Committee to Protect Journalists condemned what its deputy director, Robert Mahoney, called "a brazen assault on free expression in the heart of Europe."
I fear this will only continue to stir the growing xenophobia in Europe against Muslims worldwide. People can keep saying this 'isn't their Islam' but the extremists are the ones dominating the court of public opinion and that can only spell disaster.
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