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Gunmen storm office of satirical magazine in Paris
Bahamut.Milamber said: » Asura.Ccl said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Asura.Ccl said: » I asked about doing something useless beside making people mad; now we know it will just create riot and risk attack for ZERO reward on our side so why are we still doing it ? Ok enlight me then what was the point of those drawing ? Do you mean this one?Or this one?Or this one? There's that good ol' racist rage coming out to spite the world. Was wondering how long it would take you to show your true colors
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Blazed1979 said: » Insanity? So many claim to appreciate science yet they keep choosing the same methodology for "progress" when the results haven't been stellar. I think deep down inside they're just fooling themselves into thinking they're democratic and believe in equal rights. As soon as they encounter cultures that are different than theirs', out goes the equality, out goes the civility, out goes the respect. Fail fail fail. I mean... how insane is it that they are demonizing a religion, of which accounts for 2% of terrorist attacks, after they hosted the bloodiest wars in all of history? give me a break lol How exactly does social progress link with science?
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Bahamut.Milamber said: » Blazed1979 said: » Insanity? So many claim to appreciate science yet they keep choosing the same methodology for "progress" when the results haven't been stellar. I think deep down inside they're just fooling themselves into thinking they're democratic and believe in equal rights. As soon as they encounter cultures that are different than theirs', out goes the equality, out goes the civility, out goes the respect. Fail fail fail. I mean... how insane is it that they are demonizing a religion, of which accounts for 2% of terrorist attacks, after they hosted the bloodiest wars in all of history? give me a break lol How exactly does social progress link with science? Are you saying Social progress is void of any science in practice and theory? Blazed1979 said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Asura.Ccl said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Asura.Ccl said: » I asked about doing something useless beside making people mad; now we know it will just create riot and risk attack for ZERO reward on our side so why are we still doing it ? Ok enlight me then what was the point of those drawing ? Do you mean this one?Or this one?Or this one? There's that good ol' racist rage coming out to spite the world. Was wondering how long it would take you to show your true colors 
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Blazed1979 said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Blazed1979 said: » Insanity? So many claim to appreciate science yet they keep choosing the same methodology for "progress" when the results haven't been stellar. I think deep down inside they're just fooling themselves into thinking they're democratic and believe in equal rights. As soon as they encounter cultures that are different than theirs', out goes the equality, out goes the civility, out goes the respect. Fail fail fail. I mean... how insane is it that they are demonizing a religion, of which accounts for 2% of terrorist attacks, after they hosted the bloodiest wars in all of history? give me a break lol How exactly does social progress link with science? Are you saying Social progress is void of any science in practice and theory? Blazed1979 said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Asura.Ccl said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Asura.Ccl said: » I asked about doing something useless beside making people mad; now we know it will just create riot and risk attack for ZERO reward on our side so why are we still doing it ? Ok enlight me then what was the point of those drawing ? Do you mean this one?Or this one?Or this one? There's that good ol' racist rage coming out to spite the world. Was wondering how long it would take you to show your true colors He was replying to the post showing that the magazine had made other satirical drawings of other major religions.
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Bahamut.Milamber said: » Blazed1979 said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Blazed1979 said: » Insanity? So many claim to appreciate science yet they keep choosing the same methodology for "progress" when the results haven't been stellar. I think deep down inside they're just fooling themselves into thinking they're democratic and believe in equal rights. As soon as they encounter cultures that are different than theirs', out goes the equality, out goes the civility, out goes the respect. Fail fail fail. I mean... how insane is it that they are demonizing a religion, of which accounts for 2% of terrorist attacks, after they hosted the bloodiest wars in all of history? give me a break lol How exactly does social progress link with science? Are you saying Social progress is void of any science in practice and theory? You seem to be under the impression that science has no impact on social progress. I don't agree or disagree, I'm just curious. So please do answer the question. Its a drawing... there was in no way any justification for anyone to come and kill these people.
Muslims around the world should be criticizing the men that carried out this act of terror in their name rather than focusing on whether or not the entire world is as respectful as they might want them to be about their religion.
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Blazed1979 said: » There most certainly is. I can attest to that. I can think of at least 10 different major hollywood productions that poke at Jesus and a ton of TV shows that poke at Jews. Its not that I don't see your point Milibar, its that you are refusing to see mine is not based on if it is right or wrong, but that at the current time, with the current global geopolitical situation such actions serve to further wedge differences between peoples and empower fundementalists on BOTH SIDES, not just ours, instead of allowing for a climate of progress and discourse. I said at the start of this thread, we have A LOT of work to do in the muslim world so that entities such as ISIS never get a foothold at all. I'll take that gladly. Its being more honest and objective than 99% of the people on these forums who really feel no accountability or responsibility for civility. Freedom of speech should not be repressed because of bad timing. That's when it should be used the most. For instance: The comedians who were arrested and others after the attacks in Paris was stupid. Many Western media publications stated the crack down on free speech by French authorities was wrong. I've stated something like this previously in this thread: Civility is not required by private businesses nor private people. If you don't like them boycott, protest, and educate others on why they are wrong. That's part of having free speech, the ability to counter the ideas you don't agree with. Civility is absolutly required by government officials and government entities. There is a vast difference between the two.
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: » Its a drawing... there was in no way any justification for anyone to come and kill these people. Muslims around the world should be criticizing the men that carried out this act of terror in their name rather than focusing on whether or not the entire world is as respectful as they might want them to be about their religion. and Muslims are. But that does not mean #jesuischarlie. Just because we can identify the crime of killing people doesn't mean we have to agree with the magazine, its tactics or refrain from questioning its motives. Its seems we are more capable of critical and independent thought in this part of the world than yours. You're actually at odds with the tiny minority in the muslim world that are crazies. Difference between you and us is that we recognize they're crazy, and are starting to think you all are too.
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Some of us think that all Muslims are crazy, along with all followers of religion.
Don't forget about that. Its starting to feel like those of us who are normal are trying to break up a fight between two idiots.
One insists on offending, and the other insists on not allowing the other to offend him. While everyone with a shroud of intelligence is thinking "what is motivating each idiot, and why do they insist on being right when it does neither of them any good" - that's the mainstream muslim stance on this.
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Blazed1979 said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Blazed1979 said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Blazed1979 said: » Insanity? So many claim to appreciate science yet they keep choosing the same methodology for "progress" when the results haven't been stellar. I think deep down inside they're just fooling themselves into thinking they're democratic and believe in equal rights. As soon as they encounter cultures that are different than theirs', out goes the equality, out goes the civility, out goes the respect. Fail fail fail. I mean... how insane is it that they are demonizing a religion, of which accounts for 2% of terrorist attacks, after they hosted the bloodiest wars in all of history? give me a break lol How exactly does social progress link with science? Are you saying Social progress is void of any science in practice and theory? You seem to be under the impression that science has no impact on social progress. I don't agree or disagree, I'm just curious. So please do answer the question. Blazed1979 said: » Insanity? So many claim to appreciate science yet they keep choosing the same methodology for "progress" when the results haven't been stellar. Bahamut.Milamber said: » You state that you neither agree nor disagree Blazed1979 said: » Its starting to feel like those of us who are normal are trying to break up a fight between two idiots. One insists on offending, and the other insists on not allowing the other to offend him. While everyone with a shroud of intelligence is thinking "what is motivating each idiot, and why do they insist on being right when it does neither of them any good" - that's the mainstream muslim stance on this. People inherently have the right to offend, just as people have the right to be offended. Watch, pay attention and learn: YouTube Video Placeholder Blazed1979 said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: » Its a drawing... there was in no way any justification for anyone to come and kill these people. Muslims around the world should be criticizing the men that carried out this act of terror in their name rather than focusing on whether or not the entire world is as respectful as they might want them to be about their religion. and Muslims are. But that does not mean #jesuischarlie. Just because we can identify the crime of killing people doesn't mean we have to agree with the magazine, its tactics or refrain from questioning its motives. Its seems we are more capable of critical and independent thought in this part of the world than yours. You're actually at odds with the tiny minority in the muslim world that are crazies. Difference between you and us is that we recognize they're crazy, and are starting to think you all are too. You are entitled to do *Edit* Or rather, you have the right to try to say they can't do it, but don't expect people in societies with free press to understand or accept your stance. Bahamut.Milamber said: » Blazed1979 said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Blazed1979 said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Blazed1979 said: » Insanity? So many claim to appreciate science yet they keep choosing the same methodology for "progress" when the results haven't been stellar. I think deep down inside they're just fooling themselves into thinking they're democratic and believe in equal rights. As soon as they encounter cultures that are different than theirs', out goes the equality, out goes the civility, out goes the respect. Fail fail fail. I mean... how insane is it that they are demonizing a religion, of which accounts for 2% of terrorist attacks, after they hosted the bloodiest wars in all of history? give me a break lol How exactly does social progress link with science? Are you saying Social progress is void of any science in practice and theory? You seem to be under the impression that science has no impact on social progress. I don't agree or disagree, I'm just curious. So please do answer the question. Blazed1979 said: » Insanity? So many claim to appreciate science yet they keep choosing the same methodology for "progress" when the results haven't been stellar. I was making note of one understanding of insanity to be doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results each time, which is at the opposite end of try and test->observe->make note->refine/innovate->try and test again. Again, I ask you to answer the question and quit stalling. Shiva.Onorgul said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » You state that you neither agree nor disagree bravo! lol Well, you see, I'm a genius. Just like you. Since you claim to be spectacular and perfect and expect to be taken seriously, I do hope you'll extend me the same courtesy. Wouldn't want to offend me, right?
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Blazed1979 said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Blazed1979 said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Blazed1979 said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Blazed1979 said: » Insanity? So many claim to appreciate science yet they keep choosing the same methodology for "progress" when the results haven't been stellar. I think deep down inside they're just fooling themselves into thinking they're democratic and believe in equal rights. As soon as they encounter cultures that are different than theirs', out goes the equality, out goes the civility, out goes the respect. Fail fail fail. I mean... how insane is it that they are demonizing a religion, of which accounts for 2% of terrorist attacks, after they hosted the bloodiest wars in all of history? give me a break lol How exactly does social progress link with science? Are you saying Social progress is void of any science in practice and theory? You seem to be under the impression that science has no impact on social progress. I don't agree or disagree, I'm just curious. So please do answer the question. Blazed1979 said: » Insanity? So many claim to appreciate science yet they keep choosing the same methodology for "progress" when the results haven't been stellar. I was making note of one understanding of insanity to be doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results each time, which is at the opposite end of try and test->observe->make note->refine/innovate->try and test again. Again, I ask you to answer the question and quit stalling. Shiva.Onorgul said: » Well, you see, I'm a genius. Just like you. Since you claim to be spectacular and perfect and expect to be taken seriously, I do hope you'll extend me the same courtesy. Wouldn't want to offend me, right?
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Bahamut.Milamber said: » Blazed1979 said: » Lakshmi.Flavin said: » Its a drawing... there was in no way any justification for anyone to come and kill these people. Muslims around the world should be criticizing the men that carried out this act of terror in their name rather than focusing on whether or not the entire world is as respectful as they might want them to be about their religion. and Muslims are. But that does not mean #jesuischarlie. Just because we can identify the crime of killing people doesn't mean we have to agree with the magazine, its tactics or refrain from questioning its motives. Its seems we are more capable of critical and independent thought in this part of the world than yours. You're actually at odds with the tiny minority in the muslim world that are crazies. Difference between you and us is that we recognize they're crazy, and are starting to think you all are too. You are entitled to do *Edit* Or rather, you have the right to try to say they can't do it, but don't expect people in societies with free press to understand or accept your stance. Thank you for asserting my rights for me. Taking into account that I have condemned the terrorist attacks, what on earth did you think I was doing in the first place? Ccl questions the benefit of publications that utilize freedom of speech as freedom to insult in such scenarios where there is a large portion of people on earth that will be offended by it, and will not generate any tangible benefit. I question the motive behind it and speculate that it drives a wedge between cultures. I also, as a muslim, find it to be vulgar and offensive. The worst thing I can imagine being done is buying the magazine and firing the staff. But my choice of response to it would have been to publish facts and media about the Prophet. A far bit away from shooting them.
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Bahamut.Kara said: » Freedom of speech should not be repressed because of bad timing. That's when it should be used the most. I agree! GIVE GILBERT GODFRIED HIS JOB BACK!!!
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Blazed1979 said: » But my choice of response to it would have been to publish facts and media about the Prophet. It's satire by people known to be anti-religion. I don't know why you keep pretending that you're interested in their motives when their motives were known 30 years ago. Edit: Was anything about this cover ambiguous? I think it sums up the magazine's motive readily.  Bahamut.Milamber said: » Blazed1979 said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Blazed1979 said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Blazed1979 said: » Bahamut.Milamber said: » Blazed1979 said: » Insanity? So many claim to appreciate science yet they keep choosing the same methodology for "progress" when the results haven't been stellar. I think deep down inside they're just fooling themselves into thinking they're democratic and believe in equal rights. As soon as they encounter cultures that are different than theirs', out goes the equality, out goes the civility, out goes the respect. Fail fail fail. I mean... how insane is it that they are demonizing a religion, of which accounts for 2% of terrorist attacks, after they hosted the bloodiest wars in all of history? give me a break lol How exactly does social progress link with science? Are you saying Social progress is void of any science in practice and theory? You seem to be under the impression that science has no impact on social progress. I don't agree or disagree, I'm just curious. So please do answer the question. Blazed1979 said: » Insanity? So many claim to appreciate science yet they keep choosing the same methodology for "progress" when the results haven't been stellar. I was making note of one understanding of insanity to be doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results each time, which is at the opposite end of try and test->observe->make note->refine/innovate->try and test again. Again, I ask you to answer the question and quit stalling. Is Evolution science? How about Morality? Science has no say on moral matters? Can one talk about social progress and not take into account morality and be taken seriously? Are you a catholic? Yup; I think anything that can trouble peace should be avoided unless it has a huge benefit and I just can't see the benefit in this papers.
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Blazed1979 said: » How about Morality? Science has no say on moral matters? Science is about ethics. Blazed1979 said: » I also, as a muslim, find it to be vulgar and offensive. then you should look into yourself & try to figure out why that is. Asura.Ccl said: » Yup; I think anything that can trouble peace should be avoided unless it has a huge benefit and I just can't see the benefit in this papers. You? The government? Extremists? Example: Snowden files, I would argue, have been insanely beneficial especially in getting the judicial branch to actually do its job in the US. The DoJ, NSA, and many others in official capacity don't think so and claim they have caused serious harm. Who is right and who is wrong?
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