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Illegal immigrants to get CA driver licenses.
 Asura.Kingnobody
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-04 00:03:13  
Jetackuu said: »
I didn't accuse you of lumping illegals together
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For starters: you're attributing all illegal aliens to purposeful "border hoppers" which is a gross lie in of itself.
Yeah, I call ***.

Do you want me to hold your hand so you can read your own words again?

Jetackuu said: »
If you understood immigration law as well as you profess you would comprehend that the entire system is ***.
In your opinion. Or are you going to say that allowing more low/no-skill labor force to come to America without any retribution of being deported is going to help the working class nationals at all?

Just what we need, millions of more unemployed people coming into this country....

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I get a really good laugh out of you calling people out for not knowing immigration laws while rattling off false information.
Oh, are you going to say that my source is incorrect? Let's hear from your fantasy source where you think you are right then.

That's the problem with you, you're always critical but you never provide any actual information backed by sources at all. Am I going to have to start calling you Jet now?
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By Jetackuu 2015-01-04 00:06:24  
He's right, this is a pretty good laugh.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-01-04 00:28:49  
You've obviously never filed any kind of DOHC/USCIS applications, or you'd know that:

1. the 45 days is the EXPECTED time between receipt of filing and notice of scheduled biometrics/interview, assuming they are on the same date, which they most often are not.

2. more often than not, unless you had an immigration lawyer, and even then, additional information will be requested. That usually doesn't extend the process, unless they have chosen to disallow any translated documents you furnished. DOHC will not translate any documents, but they will scrutinize them and return anything they aren't satisfied with.

3. assuming you get through those hurdles and they accept your application, unless you can provide incredibly strong evidence that you face political or religious persecution, you will likely be forwarded on to additional immigration hearings.

4. assuming you were able to prove you qualify for temporary asylum, you then have up to 90 days after receipt of approval before you actually get your conditional green card.

During all this time, you cannot work, and many of them are detained while their case is pending.

Edit for clarification: Work permits are granted immediately upon receiving approval of residency, you don't need to wait for the greencard to arrive, and conditional work permits can be applied for and issued 150 days after receipt of application for residency if your case is still pending.

Keep in mind, all of this assumes you have already entered the USA legally or otherwise, foreign asylum application are handled much less swiftly, and the majority of people seeking to gain legal residency in the US don't qualify as refugees, and would be required to file i-485 as a non-refugee immigrant, pay filing fees and biometric fees ($1070), more than likely have to get all your vaccinations again (it cost us ~$170 with insurance), a civil surgeon's medical examination ($325), translations of all relevant documents, etc. And those applications are subject to a yearly quota of non-refugee resident statuses, meaning only a certain number will get them regardless of how many are eligible. If you aren't granted a green card in a given year, you are required to refile (and pay again) and get at least a new civil surgeons' exam (only good for 1 year).

I've been down this road with a cousin (refugee) and my wife. You obviously have either never dealt with DOHS/USCIS or if you did, it was either as a minor or before 9/11, because you're so out of touch with how the process actually works.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-01-04 02:40:19  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Jetackuu said: »
For starters: you're attributing all illegal aliens to purposeful "border hoppers" which is a gross lie in of itself.
No, you are the one attributing that, not me.

I know that a significant number of people who are considered illegal immigrants are visitors who's on expired visas.

I also know that a significant number of people also cross the border who never even attempted to get a visa. Most recent GAO report on illegal crossing deaths show that in a 10 year span, deaths have more than doubled. Mind you, this report is from 1995-2005, and there hasn't been a study (that I know of) that shows updated numbers.

http://www.utsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060722/images/border.pdf

(Although this graph is dated, it still shows that a very significant number of people each year cross the border illegally. This graph only records people who were caught or died)

There is no reliable source that shows the number of people crossing the border except these two. The reason is that illegal immigration is a problem mostly ignored by everyone who's not a border state of Mexico.

I forgive you that your knowledge of illegal crossings is very limited. I hope this shows at least some idea of the magnitude of the issue.

Illegal immigration through border hopping does not happen only to states with a border to Mexico (hello Florida). For that matter many migrant workers from Mexico migrate to farms around the US.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-01-04 02:57:11  
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Jetackuu said: »
I'll first ask a simple question: do you even know (on average) how long it takes to gain citizenship?
People have said between 13-25 years.

However, it only takes 45 days to get a Green Card, which enables the immigrant to be, you know, legal while waiting for their application to be approved.

You know why illegal immigrants don't even get a green card? Because there is a good chance that they will be denied and then shipped back to their old home. They rather take the chance of living here for a very long time than to try to be a legal citizen but get denied because they don't qualify for citizenship.
No, that is not what that website stated.

This is also only for asylum seekers. There are a variety of visas available.

Quote:
that the initial interview for asylum applications filed on or after April 1, 1997 should take place within 45 days after the date the application is filed, and a decision should be made on the asylum application within 180 days after the date the application is filed, unless there are exceptional circumstances.


Here is the website
you can go to for average processing time period per processing center per visa type. They were last updated in October. These time estimates only apply to initial filings. If you have been flagged to provide more information the response time does not apply to you as you are considered in the system or being processed.

There are also visa limits based on nationality
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Section 201 of the Immigration and Nationality Act establishes limits on family and employment based immigration to the United States. The U.S. Congress determines the number of immigrants allowed to enter the U.S. for each category and country. There are no numerical limits in the Immediate Relative (IR) category that includes the parents, spouse and minor unmarried children of the U.S. citizens. However, other categories of the family based immigration has an annual limit of just under 500,000. The employment-based immigration has an annual limit of 140,000. Further, no more than 7 percent of the visas may be issued to natives of any one country. That means a tiny island country gets the same number of immigrant visa numbers such as huge and populous countries like India or China.
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By Enuyasha 2015-01-04 03:14:53  
Bahamut.Kara said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Jetackuu said: »
For starters: you're attributing all illegal aliens to purposeful "border hoppers" which is a gross lie in of itself.
No, you are the one attributing that, not me.

I know that a significant number of people who are considered illegal immigrants are visitors who's on expired visas.

I also know that a significant number of people also cross the border who never even attempted to get a visa. Most recent GAO report on illegal crossing deaths show that in a 10 year span, deaths have more than doubled. Mind you, this report is from 1995-2005, and there hasn't been a study (that I know of) that shows updated numbers.

http://www.utsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060722/images/border.pdf

(Although this graph is dated, it still shows that a very significant number of people each year cross the border illegally. This graph only records people who were caught or died)

There is no reliable source that shows the number of people crossing the border except these two. The reason is that illegal immigration is a problem mostly ignored by everyone who's not a border state of Mexico.

I forgive you that your knowledge of illegal crossings is very limited. I hope this shows at least some idea of the magnitude of the issue.

Illegal immigration through border hopping does not happen only to states with a border to Mexico (hello Florida). For that matter many migrant workers from Mexico migrate to farms around the US.




Trying to find at least a facebook picture of the migrant workers waiting under the bridges in metarie/harvey...but alas google has failed me.

Also, just to imply emphasis on the fact that only four states actually border mexico and migrant workers, in the industries they are stereotyped into, are a "problem" in states that are just outside of that and beyond.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-01-04 03:58:52  
Difficulties in obtaining visas for translators who helped our soldiers abroad. I don't normally post videos but it is worth a watch.


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By Ragnarok.Arcaine 2015-01-04 07:31:22  
Thanks for posting the video Kara. John Oliver has a great show and he does a perfect job of making his audience laugh while informing them of the facts of some of the most unbelievably terribly broken systems in place, and the lives being affected by it.
When it comes to an issue like this you're showing yourself to be ignorant by simply saying "there is a system in place and anyone who tries to sidestep it is breaking the law, black and white, simple as that." The problem is not simple. The legal pathway is BEYOND unreasonable, beyond broken and downright nonfunctional for the majority of those seeking a visa (and just multiply the difficulty for citizenship). The illegal path however, will more likely get you into the country. For many trying to escape a dangerous situation this becomes a case of risk management: Stay in a place where you may be beaten or killed or break the law and enter the US where you run the risk of being caught and NOT killed.
I believe most of these immigrants want to be in good standing with the county they are fleeing to, and want to enter legally. But, hypothetically, just imagine if you would:

You're in a congested highway several lanes wide.
The traffic has not moved for over 10 hours.
You know it drops down into 1 lane several miles up the road, where each car is individually given a very thorough screening.
Behind you, people with guns closing in.
The rules are: Stay in your car, don't get out and run to the end of the highway. wait your turn.
the men with guns are getting closer.

Anyway, the immigration issue is very complicated there there are all kinds of different areas I haven't even touched on. I just think the broken legal path deserves to be emphasized. Yes there are drug traffickers and other criminals, but there are also families fleeing from life-threatening conditions back home. Yes there are tons of illegal immigrants working in in farms here in this country, but it's also been shown time and time again that americans will not work those same jobs for what they get paid, and it's been shown that we don't want to pay 20$ for a a package of strawberries at the grocery store.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2015-01-04 08:08:44  
The only problem i have about Immigration and i do agree we need to reform it seriously. How do folks who went the proper way by current law rightfully to obtain there citizenship feel? That is not fair representation to them to knowingly see others who violate the current Immigration laws they followed to be a citizen of our nation.

I am going to use my wife's side of her family who are from Spain. Her Mother and Father wanted a better life for there future family. They still own property there and are dual citizens there entire family still lives in Spain. So they saved money and applied for citizenship back in the late 1950's by current law. They chose the United States to apply for citizenship and as law abiding seekers who wish to live here followed the rules set by current law. By following the rules they assimilated to our Nation. It took her parents 3-6 months to learn English and use it as there first language on US soil. That is assimilation if you respect the nation you live in that you wish to reside. I am very proud of them for that and those who still by law honor it. The state they chose to live in was New Jersey. They had 2 daughters naturally born here as first generation for there family one became the love of my life who i met through Final Fantasy 11 !!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-01-04 09:32:53  
Jetackuu said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
I get a really good laugh out of reading political threads in general.
We know.
Level pro: Get about half the people at a local Eastern European bar talking politics.

Last night was awesome. There were even some German nationals there talking about the ECB.
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