On Healing Hands - A Comprehensive WHM Guide (V2)

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By Ramuh.Austar 2015-12-19 17:21:14  
Use Rapido, 10K np.
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By Sylph.Gobbo 2015-12-19 18:08:24  
Could use August if you're really desperate for accurate results. Bring DRK to Sinister Reign, hope you get August, MB Drain II or III, hope he doesn't use Null Field. When he does Daybreak he'll use No Quarter exactly 90s afterwards so you could time it perfectly. I don't think this is necessary at all, but it's a possibility.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2015-12-19 22:10:37  
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No wrong incorrect and please stop trying

Then what you posted was miss leading.

When your Full Cure blocks 1211 damage, how much MP are you using, how much HP is being restored (assuming you can even see the number)

Is that before or after a brew?

How much Damage does your 1 MP Full cure block? seeing as it cures for 841? Numbers you've failed to post but telling others to please stop trying, perhaps you could elaborate so people could understand rather than post useless info.

So far you've supplied very little apart from a number others haven't been able to replicate and that's either because your stoneskin effect of 1211 isn't from a 8k cure or because it has a cap, either something fundamental is being missed because or only half the information has been supplied.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-12-19 22:17:02  
Nice to see you ask before making conclusions.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2015-12-19 22:23:12  
Bismarck.Ihina said: »
Nice to see you ask before making conclusions.

No ones made a conclusion. You posted half information so I used the numbers you posted (Limited as they were) to see what they came up with, which was nothing close to what others had gotten.

I don't believe I said "this is categorically correct", it was to *** what you posted as helpful or not. It was most certainly not because it doesn't explain or provide anything other than "I can do this apparently".

Everyone would like to actually know what the spell does and how the stoneskin is calculated, so if you have an insite, post the numbers to aid with that. Anything else is obviously an attempt to troll and fuel someone to fight you over something where you can just act condescending. If that wasn't your intention, then you failed miserably, but everyone (especially Krystela) would like the numbers and scenario in full detail so they can come to a conclusion themselves, that would be appreciated and something I'm sure many of us are actually looking forward to seeing.

P.S.

You'll note I did say "To clarify" which in itself is questioning what was posted because it made no sense.
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By Asura.Krystela 2015-12-20 00:33:08  
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7. It removes all status ailment, thought I didn't try with doom.
Memory serves me right it does not take off amnesia.
Oh I have to try those status, Thanks for reminding me
Nevermind, appears they have been tested already, thanks Gobbo for the link.
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By Asura.Krystela 2015-12-20 00:39:41  
Bismarck.Ihina said: »
No wrong incorrect and please stop trying
Why are you even being so mean? We're all trying to figure out stuff and you're acting like a know it all refusing to give any valuable information to cover your sayings.

It makes me mad, because I take hours of my own time (and my friend cobb) to get answers for other people and I get such reaction from you who supposedly "tested it" but refused to share your testings until now.

You are just being rude now, might as well just stop posting since you aren't providing any help.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-12-21 18:33:48  
Asura.Krystela said: »
You are just being rude now, might as well just stop posting since you aren't providing any help.

I believe I'll take your advice. You can figure it out on your own.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2015-12-22 18:41:48  
Asura.Alfylicious said: »
Hey all!

I am bored at work right now and mapping out current / perfect gear sets for white mage and thought I would share the perfect ones that I've come up with here.

IDLE SET:

ItemSet 340448
Max -PDT
Max -MDT with ShellraV
+29 Magic Defense Bonus
+7-9 Refresh

Witching Robe has +1 Refresh Augment
Moonshade Earring has +1 Refresh
Gendewitha +1 Gear has -4% PDT and MDT Augments
Twilight Torque is a great sub for Loricate Torque +1
Slipor Sash @ MP>50% Fucho-no-obi @ MP<50%

PRECAST SET

ItemSet 340450
72% FC (Caps @ 80%)
10% Quick Magic (Caps @ 10%)

Nehushtan has +6% FC augment.
Can use Swith Cape +1 and Incantor Stone to add +6% FC and still have +5% Quick magic. Up to player preference.

Going to tackle the cure pre / mid casts now since I won't be home for another 4 hours. Again some of this gear is really hard to obtain. For a look at more normal sets you can check my current sets that I have up so far.

Enjoy! ˆˆ


I personally use this, but I have inventory for all the ToM Staffs.

ItemSet 329648

Also 77% fastcast and 10% quickcast effect ~
 
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2015-12-22 19:16:17  
Asura.Alfylicious said: »
Cerberus.Conagh said: »
I personally use this, but I have inventory for all the ToM Staffs.

ItemSet 329648

Also 77% fastcast and 10% quickcast effect ~


So does Arka I work for all WHM spells? I was a little iffy on Light Affinity Casting -14%? Extremely impressed with that set BTW! Thank you for sharing that! ˆˆ


Anything Light based yes, and it's 78% not 77%*
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By Asura.Cambion 2015-12-22 20:35:42  
Asura.Alfylicious said: »
Hey all!

I am bored at work right now and mapping out current / perfect gear sets for white mage and thought I would share the perfect ones that I've come up with here.

IDLE SET:

ItemSet 340448
Max -PDT
Max -MDT with ShellraV
+29 Magic Defense Bonus
+7-9 Refresh


No Befouled Crown for refresh+1?
 
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By Shiva.Applesmash 2015-12-22 23:27:37  
-ENM does nothing when you're idle.
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By Asura.Pergatory 2015-12-23 12:16:38  
Asura.Alfylicious said: »
I prioritized +40 healing skill over the extra +5 Cursna effect from the Gendewitha Galoshes +1.
I'm almost positive the Gendewitha are superior, I don't think healing skill matters much if at all for Cursna despite what SE has said in the past. No testing has ever shown an increase in success rate from healing skill.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2015-12-23 13:18:47  
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Asura.Alfylicious said: »
I prioritized +40 healing skill over the extra +5 Cursna effect from the Gendewitha Galoshes +1.
I'm almost positive the Gendewitha are superior, I don't think healing skill matters much if at all for Cursna despite what SE has said in the past. No testing has ever shown an increase in success rate from healing skill.


https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/124448-Cursna-Testing/page2

Prothescar testing towards the bottom ~ Shows healing skill having an effect however it was concluded it was minuscule, 15 skill wouldn't provide anything and a pure recast set with the Cursna Enhancing Gear is the better option.

The only difference I would do to the set is I would use the Arka II for the recast, as it's going to beat out fastcast and allow me to use instant cast items elsewhere.
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By Asura.Pergatory 2015-12-23 15:39:19  
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The only difference I would do to the set is I would use the Arka II for the recast, as it's going to beat out fastcast and allow me to use instant cast items elsewhere.
I actually use Yagrush for Cursna. Divine Benison works on it, and magic accuracy +35 which may or may not do anything. Plus the AOE bonus of course, which is rarely needed on Cursna but sometimes it is!
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2015-12-23 17:43:42  
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The only difference I would do to the set is I would use the Arka II for the recast, as it's going to beat out fastcast and allow me to use instant cast items elsewhere.
I actually use Yagrush for Cursna. Divine Benison works on it, and magic accuracy +35 which may or may not do anything. Plus the AOE bonus of course, which is rarely needed on Cursna but sometimes it is!


you wanna build me one? :P

Obvious a Yagrush is BiS for this spell and most others.
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By Asura.Krystela 2015-12-23 19:04:53  
Asura.Pergatory said: »
Cerberus.Conagh said: »
The only difference I would do to the set is I would use the Arka II for the recast, as it's going to beat out fastcast and allow me to use instant cast items elsewhere.
I actually use Yagrush for Cursna. Divine Benison works on it, and magic accuracy +35 which may or may not do anything. Plus the AOE bonus of course, which is rarely needed on Cursna but sometimes it is!
Same here, AoE for doom is amazing.
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By Asura.Krystela 2015-12-23 19:08:03  
Asura.Alfylicious said: »
What do you think about my cursna gear?

CURSNA MIDCAST SET:

ItemSet 340452
Fanatic Gloves are perfect: +7%FC, +7ConserveMP, +10Healing
Vanya Clogs full path B: +20 Healing Skill
Mending Cape has +10 Healing

+115 Healing Skill
+27% Haste (Need 26 to cap)
+14% FC (Contributes 7% to recast)
+11 Conserve MP
+22% Divine Veil

I prioritized +40 healing skill over the extra +5 Cursna effect from the Gendewitha Galoshes +1.

I also prioritized Gear Haste over FC Recast. Experimented with Ninurta Sash + Chanter's Shield + Incantor stone but ultimately sided with the conserve mp boost from Thuelliac Ecu +1.

What do you think?? What does yours look like? Thanks!!
Your set is perfect, would just change vanya clogs for gendewitha +1.

Your precast set is spot on. I completely forgot about those pants, thanks for reminding me!

As for your idle sets, there is better options with both capped MDT/PDT and refresh without going through the whole augmenting shenanigans, but if you have the pieces augmented already than your set it's fine. I just wouldn't send people to augment these now since the pieces won't be used except for idling. It's on the main page.
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By RolandJ 2015-12-23 19:19:05  
Since Alfylicious mentioned augmenting a Nehushtan with fast cast, can anyone confirm that 6 FC augment on Nehushtan is still possible through the use of a recent example? I just got FC on many +1 stones and on a +2 stone and none of the augments went past 2 FC. I sense what smells like a ninja-nerf coming from SE's direction. Maybe it was a possible augment in the past but I'm getting the feeling that it has been removed as a possibility.
 
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By Bahamut.Vinedrius 2016-01-16 03:52:53  
Asura.Krystela said: »
There is always a point of balance.

Personally I use queller rod in my weatherset because I dont think chatoyant staff is worth the inventory space. I think the ~900 Cure 3's and the ~1500 Cure 4's covers the need, something over that is just epeen at this point. Also conserve MP in a weather set is kinda useless as the amount of mp returned by the ebers pantaloons +1 far exceed the usefulness of conserve mp.

Could you post your Queller Rod weather cure set please? Because the set in your item lists uses Chatoyant Staff.
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By Ragnarok.Flippant 2016-01-16 20:56:28  
Cerberus.Conagh said: »
Asura.Pergatory said: »
Asura.Alfylicious said: »
I prioritized +40 healing skill over the extra +5 Cursna effect from the Gendewitha Galoshes +1.
I'm almost positive the Gendewitha are superior, I don't think healing skill matters much if at all for Cursna despite what SE has said in the past. No testing has ever shown an increase in success rate from healing skill.


https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/124448-Cursna-Testing/page2

Prothescar testing towards the bottom ~ Shows healing skill having an effect however it was concluded it was minuscule, 15 skill wouldn't provide anything and a pure recast set with the Cursna Enhancing Gear is the better option.

The only difference I would do to the set is I would use the Arka II for the recast, as it's going to beat out fastcast and allow me to use instant cast items elsewhere.

I'm not sure where you're getting 15 skill from, as the boots are 20+20 skill, and I don't see any on Gende+1.

Keep in mind that we're almost certainly multiplying two factors here: your base success rate, and the gear. When multiplying factors, you can't just compare raw marginal values, as they are being enhanced by the other factor(s).

Assuming something like 1% for every 20 skill (as suggested by testing, but not confirmed), and you're at ~550 skill (full gifts) and +80% chance from the other slots, we're looking at:

27 * 90% = 51.3% (Gendewitha +1)
29 * 85% = 53.65% (Vanya)

I'm also assuming the cape is only +5%. If it's greater (from tests it's almost assuredly at least 15%), then Vanya will pull out further ahead. For the sake of argument, I'll also add that even if 40 skill only increases your base by 1%, it'd still be better.
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By Cerberus.Conagh 2016-01-17 20:27:37  
Ragnarok.Flippant said: »
Cerberus.Conagh said: »
Asura.Pergatory said: »
Asura.Alfylicious said: »
I prioritized +40 healing skill over the extra +5 Cursna effect from the Gendewitha Galoshes +1.
I'm almost positive the Gendewitha are superior, I don't think healing skill matters much if at all for Cursna despite what SE has said in the past. No testing has ever shown an increase in success rate from healing skill.


https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/124448-Cursna-Testing/page2

Prothescar testing towards the bottom ~ Shows healing skill having an effect however it was concluded it was minuscule, 15 skill wouldn't provide anything and a pure recast set with the Cursna Enhancing Gear is the better option.

The only difference I would do to the set is I would use the Arka II for the recast, as it's going to beat out fastcast and allow me to use instant cast items elsewhere.

I'm not sure where you're getting 15 skill from, as the boots are 20+20 skill, and I don't see any on Gende+1.

Keep in mind that we're almost certainly multiplying two factors here: your base success rate, and the gear. When multiplying factors, you can't just compare raw marginal values, as they are being enhanced by the other factor(s).

Assuming something like 1% for every 20 skill (as suggested by testing, but not confirmed), and you're at ~550 skill (full gifts) and +80% chance from the other slots, we're looking at:

27 * 90% = 51.3% (Gendewitha +1)
29 * 85% = 53.65% (Vanya)

I'm also assuming the cape is only +5%. If it's greater (from tests it's almost assuredly at least 15%), then Vanya will pull out further ahead. For the sake of argument, I'll also add that even if 40 skill only increases your base by 1%, it'd still be better.

I have no Idea where +15 skill came from... Meh, and yes, from a single cast PoV, the Vanya win. But it's still so close to 50% averages state you're going to have to do 2 casts average anyway with either set (Averages State is 53% everytime and RNG factors etc etc but for simplicity sake), when looking at a it from a Numbers PoV Vanya > All, but from a Play Situation, the faster recast option wins out, the only time this obviously isn't the case is with Yagrush due to the lower recast/cast time from the mythic trait.

That's personal preference however, and if we're looking at Group usage. Personally I prefer keeping the recast down on it and would find it more beneficial than relying on 1~2% greater chance of effect.

I guess the arguements there for both, the slight gains in recast vs the slight gain in success rate assuming there is no cap for Healing skill affecting Cursna chance. The latter being my only concern and the only reason I'd prioritize Cursna/Recast over Healing skill. My only grounds for this is with thee being a cap on Cure from healing Skill (Power Formula at least) and whether SE arbitrarily left one in for this skill.
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