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Thwarted Terror Attack in Australia
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-09-21 08:32:40
You're the childish one if you think there's no instance where war isn't the only option. All right.
What if tomorrow, every single country from Asia, the Middle East and Europe (let's just say every single country with economical influence and nuclear/man power) suddenly decrete that the USA is a war zone and that it will be eradicated in the near future if it doesn't change its way of being within 2 weeks.
So, your country is a war zone. There will be a huge panic wave first, and then there may be some bombing or mass killing from underground people supporting those countries. Then, your country is bombed, they don't care what they bomb, they just bomb your whole country because they can.
What goes through your mind at that moment?
>"we are the great US of A, they can't attack us lol"
>"we are the great US of A, I have a gun to defend myself lol"
>"they'll pay for it, I don't know how, but they'll pay"
I guess? Or do you just swallow the pill, get killed or not then go on living your life "peacefully"?
Would you rather avoid this situation at all by finding a different way (because there are), or would you welcome the bombing of your country and your *** with open arms because "it can't be helped"?
You are right on one thing: the war on Middle East isn't avoidable because the USA want to control that stuff and will not stop under any circumstance (they'll just delay it, see what Obama did last year and this year), and the West countries are being sheeps that say amen to whatever the USA wants. However, you are wrong if you think that there aren't any other ways to go at it. There is always a choice, but just because you have the choice doesn't mean you'll change your initial idea. They do not nullify each other.
In Middle East's case, they cannot stop the US/West from bombing their ***. However the USA would be able to stop a bombing on its country, and I'm not talking military defense, but rather diplomacy talk. You need to understand how unfair things are to understand the whole "your country is a war zone, lol" comment.
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-21 08:40:44
I don't think that example will do Jet any good. He is incapable of feeling empathy and compassion. This much has been demonstrated in his wishywashy internal thought process. Others' well being doesn't come into the equation. There is no them, just "me" and varying degrees of separation from those in direct geographical proximity to him.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-09-21 12:53:02
This and a couple of other threads that sprouted up reminds me of a tag-along buddy of a friend who decided to join the group when we went out to eat. He was so tanked by the time the meal was served he was convinced that the queso was mustard.
TAB "Is that mustard?"
TAB "Definitely. Definitely mustard."
"No, that's queso."
TAB "Definitely mustard."
"Why would you eat mustard with Mexican food?"
That's all I thought while reading this thread. Keep fighting the good fight, Kara, Mil, and a few others.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-21 18:51:29
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »You're the childish one if you think there's no instance where war isn't the only option. All right.
What if tomorrow, every single country from Asia, the Middle East and Europe (let's just say every single country with economical influence and nuclear/man power) suddenly decrete that the USA is a war zone and that it will be eradicated in the near future if it doesn't change its way of being within 2 weeks.
So, your country is a war zone. There will be a huge panic wave first, and then there may be some bombing or mass killing from underground people supporting those countries. Then, your country is bombed, they don't care what they bomb, they just bomb your whole country because they can.
What goes through your mind at that moment?
>"we are the great US of A, they can't attack us lol"
>"we are the great US of A, I have a gun to defend myself lol"
>"they'll pay for it, I don't know how, but they'll pay"
I guess? Or do you just swallow the pill, get killed or not then go on living your life "peacefully"?
Would you rather avoid this situation at all by finding a different way (because there are), or would you welcome the bombing of your country and your *** with open arms because "it can't be helped"?
You are right on one thing: the war on Middle East isn't avoidable because the USA want to control that stuff and will not stop under any circumstance (they'll just delay it, see what Obama did last year and this year), and the West countries are being sheeps that say amen to whatever the USA wants. However, you are wrong if you think that there aren't any other ways to go at it. There is always a choice, but just because you have the choice doesn't mean you'll change your initial idea. They do not nullify each other.
In Middle East's case, they cannot stop the US/West from bombing their ***. However the USA would be able to stop a bombing on its country, and I'm not talking military defense, but rather diplomacy talk. You need to understand how unfair things are to understand the whole "your country is a war zone, lol" comment. I don't deal with hypotheticals.
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »I don't think that example will do Jet any good. He is incapable of feeling empathy and compassion. This much has been demonstrated in his wishywashy internal thought process. Others' well being doesn't come into the equation. There is no them, just "me" and varying degrees of separation from those in direct geographical proximity to him.
I'm not a sociopath actually, I do have a degree of empathy, but I don't waste it on things like war.
My internal thought process is fine, you're just incapable of seeing it with those bias eyes of yours.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-09-21 20:53:57
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »You're the childish one if you think there's no instance where war isn't the only option. All right.
What if tomorrow, every single country from Asia, the Middle East and Europe (let's just say every single country with economical influence and nuclear/man power) suddenly decrete that the USA is a war zone and that it will be eradicated in the near future if it doesn't change its way of being within 2 weeks.
So, your country is a war zone. There will be a huge panic wave first, and then there may be some bombing or mass killing from underground people supporting those countries. Then, your country is bombed, they don't care what they bomb, they just bomb your whole country because they can.
What goes through your mind at that moment?
>"we are the great US of A, they can't attack us lol"
>"we are the great US of A, I have a gun to defend myself lol"
>"they'll pay for it, I don't know how, but they'll pay"
I guess? Or do you just swallow the pill, get killed or not then go on living your life "peacefully"?
Would you rather avoid this situation at all by finding a different way (because there are), or would you welcome the bombing of your country and your *** with open arms because "it can't be helped"?
You are right on one thing: the war on Middle East isn't avoidable because the USA want to control that stuff and will not stop under any circumstance (they'll just delay it, see what Obama did last year and this year), and the West countries are being sheeps that say amen to whatever the USA wants. However, you are wrong if you think that there aren't any other ways to go at it. There is always a choice, but just because you have the choice doesn't mean you'll change your initial idea. They do not nullify each other.
In Middle East's case, they cannot stop the US/West from bombing their ***. However the USA would be able to stop a bombing on its country, and I'm not talking military defense, but rather diplomacy talk. You need to understand how unfair things are to understand the whole "your country is a war zone, lol" comment. I don't deal with hypotheticals. Welp.
If you're unable to project yourself, reach a state of logic, take a second look at yourself and so on, what can I tell you. You're lost, but you're not a wanderer.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-09-21 21:04:55
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »You're the childish one if you think there's no instance where war isn't the only option. All right.
What goes through your mind at that moment?
>"we are the great US of A, they can't attack us lol"
>"we are the great US of A, I have a gun to defend myself lol"
>"they'll pay for it, I don't know how, but they'll pay"
Your forgot the most obvious American reaction: "Hit them before they hit us." People on this site like to hype up North Korea's first strike capability, the US is #1 in that department.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-09-21 21:04:57
Based grampa.
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »You're the childish one if you think there's no instance where war isn't the only option. All right.
What goes through your mind at that moment?
>"we are the great US of A, they can't attack us lol"
>"we are the great US of A, I have a gun to defend myself lol"
>"they'll pay for it, I don't know how, but they'll pay"
Your forgot the most obvious American reaction: "Hit them before they hit us." People on this site like to hype up North Korea's first strike capability, the US is #1 in that department. I would mostly agree with you but Syria 2013 happened and Obama shat his pants. Now he's back but he's motivating others to go for his sake.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-09-21 21:09:48
So you think that Syria 2013 had some kind of impact on our first strike capability?
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-09-21 21:35:30
Well, to be honest, the first strike ability was lost after WWII. After that, it was just sending troops getting killed for a reason or another (testing military toys in Vietnam, oil in Iraq etc).
Syria 2013 was the first time Obama literally didn't attack at all in any way. And now, he's not sending any troops (which is something good imo as I'm not fond of soldiers dying for no reason in HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE conflicts), can hardly be any less of a pussy.
So it's not that it had an impact, it's just that it showed a new way of going at war, and 2014 is just proving this turn to have taken place.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-09-21 21:49:46
There wasn't, and still isn't, any reason to attack Assad. He isn't a threat to anyone outside of his own borders. We saw what happened when his pilots got lost and flew too close to Turkey.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-21 21:56:29
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Welp.
If you're unable to project yourself, reach a state of logic, take a second look at yourself and so on, what can I tell you. You're lost, but you're not a wanderer. I'm able to protect myself, able to reach logic just find, and take second and many other looks at myself all the time.
As for being lost: could argue that about anyone, but I manage to compartmentalize things very well.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-21 21:57:17
Fenrir.Candlejack said: »I troll
Yeah, I know there guy.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-21 21:59:23
There wasn't, and still isn't, any reason to attack Assad. He isn't a threat to anyone outside of his own borders. We saw what happened when his pilots got lost and flew too close to Turkey. Stopping him from obliterating his own people I would argue would be a good reason to help his people.
I don't remember the particulars of that "conflict" but didn't they seek outsite help against him murdering them?
I'm not saying we should involve ourselves in every conflict on the planet like we like to do, but Nato should at least do something if help is requested.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-21 22:00:40
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »You're the childish one if you think there's no instance where war isn't the only option. All right.
What goes through your mind at that moment?
>"we are the great US of A, they can't attack us lol"
>"we are the great US of A, I have a gun to defend myself lol"
>"they'll pay for it, I don't know how, but they'll pay"
Your forgot the most obvious American reaction: "Hit them before they hit us." People on this site like to hype up North Korea's first strike capability, the US is #1 in that department. Yet none of those things really ever go through my mind, as like I said: I don't deal with hypothetical situations.
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-21 22:01:06
There's a threat greater than ISIS, give me a few min and I'll find the link. ISIS is old news already.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-21 22:03:42
There's a threat greater than ISIS, give me a few min and I'll find the link. ISIS is old news already.
Feminism?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-09-21 22:04:17
Quote: In recent months Isis – now rebranded as Islamic State – has appalled the world with its brutal exploits, which are broadcast on social media. But according to US defense officials there is another group, about which much less is known, that poses a more direct threat to the US.
Washington DC officials told the New York Times that terror group 'Khorasan' had the US in its targets.
Led by Muhsin al-Fadhli, a senior al-Qaida operative who was close to Osama bin Laden, the Syria-based group is believed to be made up of battle-hardened al-Qaida members from the Middle East, South Asia and North Africa.
AP reports that the group is working with al-Qaida affiliates in Yemen to plot bomb attacks on US aviation. The reason the group set up in Syria was not to become involved in the country's civil war, but to recruit Americans and Europeans whose passports would allow them to board airliners easily.
The US director of national intelligence, James R Clapper, told the newspaper that "in terms of threat to the homeland, Khorasan may pose as much of a danger as the Islamic State".
It is believed that the recent ban on cell phones and laptops on flights to the US from Europe and the Middle East was imposed following intelligence on Khorasan's activities.
$7 million bounty
A Kuwaiti national, al-Fadhli is believed to be one of the few people who was trusted enough to know about the 9/11 attacks before they were carried out. He is believed to have moved to Iran after the US invasion of Afghanistan, where in 2012 the US State Department described him as the group's main operative.
He has a $7m (£4.3m) bounty on his head, and is believed to have links to wealthy Gulf State backers.
Some experts believe that Islamic State is more focussed on consolidating its territorial gains in Iraq and Syria that planning strikes against the West.
The chaos in Syria has led to it becoming a haven for Islamic extremist and radicals, where new groups are using it as a base to plan attacks.
"What you have is a growing body of extremists from around the world who are coming in and taking advantage of the ungoverned areas and creating informal ad hoc groups that are not directly aligned with Isis or Nusra," a former senior law enforcement official said.
Khorasan is believed to be a splinter group of Jabhat al Nusra, a Syrian jihadist group in Syria which is backed by al-Qaida.
Khorasan's group's name refers to a part of the old Islamic caliphate that included Afghanistan. Rival Terror Group 'Khorasan' Poses More Direct Threat Than Isis, Warn US Officials
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By fonewear 2014-09-21 22:24:03
There's a threat greater than ISIS, give me a few min and I'll find the link. ISIS is old news already.
Feminism?
Muslim feminism !
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-22 08:34:50
Fenrir.Candlejack said: »Since Jet's said nothing since my last post, I'm guessing I hit the nail on the head about'im. He's more than likely a friendless loser who no one, not even his own family, wants to be around, so he trolls on FFXIAH in order to seek attention and human interaction. Poor guy. I almost pity him. I disagree with Jet on many topics, but this post is full out dumb.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-22 08:41:35
It doesn't matter what he thinks or doesn't think. The assumption about having friends, being rejected by family, etc, it's just so incredibly idiotic. It just shows that you are unable to debate.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-22 08:51:38
I did not defend Jet.
By fonewear 2014-09-22 08:52:13
I disagree with Jet on almost everything but I would probably be friends with him in real life.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-09-22 13:16:28
Fenrir.Candlejack said: »Since Jet's said nothing since my last post, I'm guessing I hit the nail on the head about'im. He's more than likely a friendless loser who no one, not even his own family, wants to be around, so he trolls on FFXIAH in order to seek attention and human interaction. Poor guy. I almost pity him.
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By Blazed1979 2014-09-22 13:18:37
I disagree with Jet on almost everything but I would probably be friends with him in real life. I'm offended. Will befriend Jet but won't bring powergirl outfit to Maldives...
The New Zealand Herald said: Gruesome execution plot at the heart of terror raids
A plot to behead a random member of the public in Sydney has been thwarted by the biggest anti-terror police raids Australia has seen, with one man charged over the plan to "horrify" the community.
Omarjan Azari, 22, who was remanded in custody at Central Local Court, allegedly conspired with Mohammad Baryalei, the most senior Australian member of Isis (Islamic State) to commit the terror act.
Prosecutor Michael Allnutt told the court that Azari was accused of plans designed to "shock" and "horrify" the community.
The plan involved the "random selection of persons to rather gruesomely execute", he said.
Last night a heavy police presence was expected at a snap protest in Sydney's west against the raids. The protest, promoted under a banner featuring the hardline organisation Hizb Ut-Tahrir, called on the Muslim community to "stand as one" against "government aggression" at Lakemba.
Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott, who was briefed before raids on Wednesday night, indicated intelligence showed public beheadings were urged by leaders of Syria-based Isis.
"The exhortations, quite direct exhortations, were coming from an Australian who is apparently quite senior in [Isis] to networks of support back in Australia to conduct demonstration killings here in this country," Abbott said. "This is not just suspicion, this is intent."
Azari, from Guildford in Sydney's west, will face court again on November 13. He was one of 15 people detained during the raids which included 25 search warrants on homes and vehicles.
More than 800 New South Wales and Australian Federal Police raided properties across the suburbs of Beecroft, Bella Vista, Guildford, Merrylands, Northmead, Wentworthville, Marsfield, Westmead, Castle Hill, Revesby, Bass Hill and Regents Park.
Three more raids occurred in Queensland yesterday morning.
Australian Federal Police acting commissioner Andrew Colvin said the raids in Underwood, Logan and Mount Gravatt East southeast of Brisbane were linked to raids in the area last week in which two men were arrested and charged with terrorism-related offences.
One of the Queensland suspects, Omar Succarieh, was seeking bail.
The Sydney plot has raised comparisons with the attack on British soldier Lee Rigby, who was hacked to death on a London street by Muslim extremists last year.
It emerged yesterday that death threats against Christians outside a school and church in Sydney's west have struck fear into parents and churchgoers. Police say two men in a red hatchback hurled abuse as they drove by Maronite College of the Holy Family in Harris Park and Our Lady of Lebanon church on Wednesday. They threatened to "kill the Christians" and slaughter their children while brandishing an Isis flag, a priest said.
NSW Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione warned against any public backlash in the wake of the dawn raids. He said more than 220 police would participate in high-profile Operation Hammerhead, covering transport hubs and important and iconic sites.
The operation followed Australia's outgoing spy chief, ASIO director David Irvine, raising the terror alert level to "high" amid fears of an attack on home soil last Friday.
Chief of Defence Mark Binskin said the defence force was constantly reviewing security at its bases and may adjust the level of security over coming days.
Australia has estimated about 60 of its citizens are fighting for the Islamic State group and Jabhat al-Nusra in Iraq and Syria. Another 15 Australian fighters had been killed, including two young suicide bombers. The Government has said it believes about 100 Australians are actively supporting extremist groups from within Australia, recruiting fighters and grooming suicide bomber candidates as well as providing funds and equipment.
Western governments are facing an uphill battle trying to squeeze the finances of Islamic State jihadists, as the extremists operate like a "mafia" in territory under their control in Syria and Iraq, experts say.
Unlike the al-Qaeda network, which has relied almost exclusively on private donations, Isis holds a large area in Syria and Iraq that allows it to generate cash from extortion, kidnapping and smuggling of both oil and antiquities, analysts say. As a result, the group's funding presents a much more difficult target for Western sanctions compared to al-Qaeda's finances, said Evan Jendruck, an analyst at IHS Jane's consultancy.
Even conservative estimates portray Isis as the world's richest extremist organisation, raking in at least a million dollars a day.
The group is "merciless in shaking down local businesses for cash and routinely forces drivers on roads under its control to pay a tax", a US intelligence official said. "Its cash-raising activities resemble those of a mafia-like organisation."
- AAP, AP, AFP
So now the ISIS is using its international volunteers to extend its reach into western nations. Awesome.
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