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St. Louis, Missouri Vs. The Police: Heaven or Hell, Duel 1! Let's rock!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 10:50:56
you are saying that I'm painting him as a criminal.
Was the kid breaking the law when the officer confronted him? Yes.
Did the kid rob a store prior to being confronted? Evidence states yes.
yet you bring up two accusations that have 0 bearing on whether a person should have his brains splattered across the street...
hhhmmmmmm hmmmmm. Those two facts have full bearing to the main question:
Was the kid trying to get the police officer's gun? That is up for debate.
Which you even admitted is the real question.
Since we can only have one side of the story (the "witness" in this case is not exactly great because of the fact that he is an accomplice to the crimes committed prior to the incident, and the fact that he will do anything to "honor" his buddy's life, including lie), then we will never know what really happened, due to the sole fact that people automatically do not trust the police.
I know you are smarter than that. I'm going to assume that you are just trolling for the sake of trolling.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-08-21 10:52:49
Those two facts have full bearing to the main question:
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Was the kid trying to get the police officer's gun? That is up for debate.
they absolutely do not.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 10:53:14
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I heard that the cop is injured. Why did he wait 10days to show his injuries?
And I truly hope that being a saint is not a requirement to avoid being shot in the USA. I have no halo above my head, it could be dangerous to spend my vacations in your country next year.
Are you black? If so, expect a free flight home in a bodybag.
And whatever you do, don't question the police, they'll break your *** arms for resisting and murder you if you make any sudden movements. Welcome to the United States of Overreaction, enjoy your stay.
Also, burning crosses are part of the tour experience. Just take pictures and get the hell out of town before the sun rises. And people say that hatebaiting doesn't exist?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 10:54:18
Those two facts have full bearing to the main question:
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Was the kid trying to get the police officer's gun? That is up for debate.
they absolutely do not. Let me ask you this then:
Would an innocent person ever even attempt to take a gun away from a cop?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-21 10:56:11
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I heard that the cop is injured. Why did he wait 10days to show his injuries?
And I truly hope that being a saint is not a requirement to avoid being shot in the USA. I have no halo above my head, it could be dangerous to spend my vacations in your country next year.
Are you black? If so, expect a free flight home in a bodybag.
And whatever you do, don't question the police, they'll break your *** arms for resisting and murder you if you make any sudden movements. Welcome to the United States of Overreaction, enjoy your stay.
Also, burning crosses are part of the tour experience. Just take pictures and get the hell out of town before the sun rises.
Yikes, Sparth. I think you're getting too passionate about this one. @.@
I mean, I'm not really sure what would be worth flying across an ocean to see here, but that's hardly an accurate representation of anything.
I mean, if my atheist, Yankee *** can go down south and encounter zero problems...
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-21 10:58:53
Those two facts have full bearing to the main question:
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Was the kid trying to get the police officer's gun? That is up for debate.
they absolutely do not. Let me ask you this then:
Would an innocent person ever even attempt to take a gun away from a cop?
Well, I suppose that depends if they felt threatened. Try to take it out of their holster? No.
If it's pointed at them and they feel endangered...fear is not known for making people rational, innocent or otherwise. Yes, most would have the reasonable flight/passive response of "Okay. I didn't do anything wrong, but right now there's a gun pointed at me and I should probably not make any motions that might get me shot."
But some people have the "fight" response in them.
And that's not even accounting for the crazies who may have a gun pointed at them due to misunderstood circumstances.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-08-21 11:02:28
Those two facts have full bearing to the main question:
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Was the kid trying to get the police officer's gun? That is up for debate.
they absolutely do not. Let me ask you this then:
Would an innocent person ever even attempt to take a gun away from a cop? What?
Nothing you're talking about has anything to do with the shooting. It's only character assasination which leads more people to think oh well the punk kid probably deserved it so I don't really give a ***anymore... It's the equivalent to saying the cop cheated on his wife. You automatically start to make assumptions about the people involved based on information that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Omg he cheated on his wife?!?!? he is so untrustworthy he must be lying about the events that took place!
It's a hell of a lot easier to get out of something if you piant the other person like a piece of ***to the point other people just start to automatically assume he deserved it.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-08-21 11:05:44
I hate you guys so much for not detecting my sarcasm.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 11:06:37
Those two facts have full bearing to the main question:
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Was the kid trying to get the police officer's gun? That is up for debate.
they absolutely do not. Let me ask you this then:
Would an innocent person ever even attempt to take a gun away from a cop? What?
Nothing you're talking about has anything to do with the shooting. It's only character assasination which leads more people to think oh well the punk kid probably deserved it so I don't really give a ***anymore... It's the equivalent to saying the cop cheated on his wife. You automatically start to make assumptions about the people involved based on information that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Omg he cheated on his wife?!?!? he is so untrustworthy he must be lying about the events that took place!
It's a hell of a lot easier to get out of something if you piant the other person like a piece of ***to the point other people just start to automatically assume he deserved it. Oh really?
Character assassination my ***, there are reports out there showing that the kid at the very least tried to get the cop's gun.
Again, why are you painting the kid as a saint?
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-08-21 11:06:40
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I hate you guys so much for not detecting my sarcasm.
Are you being sarcastic?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-21 11:07:16
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I hate you guys so much for not detecting my sarcasm. With your lack of differentiating reality from fiction, it is very hard to tell when you are sarcastic or not.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-21 11:07:30
Quote: It's the equivalent to saying the cop cheated on his wife.
I'm pretty sure it's documented somewhere that police officers are extremely likely to cheat on their spouses or have substance abuse problems secondary to the stress of the job.
So, really, maybe that's what's happening here.
Old data, but:
Quote: AshleyMadison.com, the dating site for married people (yes, you heard right), surveyed all of their new members last year. Of the 1.9 million folks who signed up to cheat, er, date in 2009, these were the top professions:
For Women:
1. Teachers
2. Stay-at-home Moms
3. Nurses
4. Administrative Assistants
5. Real Estate Agents
For Men:
1. Physicians
2. Police Officers
3. Lawyers
4. Real Estate Agents
5. Engineers
Personally, I think the biggest take away here is that real estate agents are all cheating liars.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-08-21 11:07:45
Those two facts have full bearing to the main question:
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Was the kid trying to get the police officer's gun? That is up for debate.
they absolutely do not. Let me ask you this then:
Would an innocent person ever even attempt to take a gun away from a cop? What?
Nothing you're talking about has anything to do with the shooting. It's only character assasination which leads more people to think oh well the punk kid probably deserved it so I don't really give a ***anymore... It's the equivalent to saying the cop cheated on his wife. You automatically start to make assumptions about the people involved based on information that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Omg he cheated on his wife?!?!? he is so untrustworthy he must be lying about the events that took place!
It's a hell of a lot easier to get out of something if you piant the other person like a piece of ***to the point other people just start to automatically assume he deserved it. Oh really?
Character assassination my ***, there are reports out there showing that the kid at the very least tried to get the cop's gun.
Again, why are you painting the kid as a saint?
"There are reports" of people being abducted by aliens, it makes no matter until those reports are substantiated.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-21 11:08:20
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I hate you guys so much for not detecting my sarcasm.
Yeah, but even then...
O <- Sparth
THE TOP.
By volkom 2014-08-21 11:10:01
Is there like some kind of detailed list of events of what happened that we know of the shooting?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-21 11:10:17
Who the *** is this "Source" guy who has all this information!?
(Seriously. Anonymous sources are a HUGE *** problem for me. If I can't print your name, who the *** in their right mind will believe me?
...
I might be the worst person to ever hold a professional degree in journalism.)
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-08-21 11:12:35
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I hate you guys so much for not detecting my sarcasm. With your lack of differentiating reality from fiction, it is very hard to tell when you are sarcastic or not.
I'm practicing for my future career in extreme left-wing talk radio.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-08-21 11:12:59
"an anonymous source says..."
yeah, that's when I tune out, too.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-08-21 11:14:31
Personally, I think the biggest take away here is that real estate agents are all cheating liars.
Part of the job is to *** people on a constant basis for commission. How ethnical that *** turns out is completely up to you...
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-21 11:15:27
"an anonymous source says..."
yeah, that's when I tune out, too.
Yeah, well. Let's not forget the "opposing" source is the deceased's literal partner-in-(alleged)crime.
Not exactly a confidence-inspiring testimony forthcoming there, either.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-21 11:16:39
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Personally, I think the biggest take away here is that real estate agents are all cheating liars.
Part of the job is to *** people on a constant basis for commission. How ethnical that *** turns out is completely up to you...
Just don't get me started.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-08-21 11:22:20
This house is move in ready. Can't you imagine yourself out here on the porch enjoying the beautiful weather? Plenty of space upstairs for your growing kids and the kitchen... it's stunning. Marble countertops, the latest appliances, new hardwood cabinets...
*moves in*
*everything starts to *** up at once*
Pleasure doing business! Enjoy the thousands of dollars in unexpected renovation costs including the plumbing, wiring and rot.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-08-21 11:51:32
Those two facts have full bearing to the main question:
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Was the kid trying to get the police officer's gun? That is up for debate.
they absolutely do not. Let me ask you this then:
Would an innocent person ever even attempt to take a gun away from a cop? What?
Nothing you're talking about has anything to do with the shooting. It's only character assasination which leads more people to think oh well the punk kid probably deserved it so I don't really give a ***anymore... It's the equivalent to saying the cop cheated on his wife. You automatically start to make assumptions about the people involved based on information that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Omg he cheated on his wife?!?!? he is so untrustworthy he must be lying about the events that took place!
It's a hell of a lot easier to get out of something if you piant the other person like a piece of ***to the point other people just start to automatically assume he deserved it. Oh really?
Character assassination my ***, there are reports out there showing that the kid at the very least tried to get the cop's gun.
Again, why are you painting the kid as a saint? You really are as thick as they come king...
That you can't tell the difference between simple character assasination and facts related to the matter at hand is a true testament to that.
Is the deceased reaching for the officers gun relevant? Yes it is. If what's reported in the fox article is true then the officer has a strong case for himself as a man of that size who has already shown an aggressive nature and is charging at you can do a lot of damage. I just wonder why they haven't put out a picture detailing the officer's injuries and such when they released that video of the robbery like 5 seconds after they got it.
Are acts that the deceased committed previous to the incident relevant to it? No.
Either one of them could be the guilty party at this point as the stories change by the hour. I have never painted this person as saint. I have never painted the officer as a devil or vice versa. It's nice though that you resprt to utter *** all the time because you really don't have much to say and can't take the time to understand simple concepts.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-08-21 11:58:54
Cop pointing a gun at protestors and yelling "I'll fking* kill you". A video uploaded on youtube. It is shaky for a bit.
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/cop-pointing-rifle-at-ferguson-protestors-i-will-***-1624463375
This is why the media should not be kept in one area.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-08-21 12:04:45
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I heard that the cop is injured. Why did he wait 10days to show his injuries?
And I truly hope that being a saint is not a requirement to avoid being shot in the USA. I have no halo above my head, it could be dangerous to spend my vacations in your country next year.
Are you black? If so, expect a free flight home in a bodybag.
And whatever you do, don't question the police, they'll break your *** arms for resisting and murder you if you make any sudden movements. Welcome to the United States of Overreaction, enjoy your stay.
Also, burning crosses are part of the tour experience. Just take pictures and get the hell out of town before the sun rises.
Yikes, Sparth. I think you're getting too passionate about this one. @.@
I mean, I'm not really sure what would be worth flying across an ocean to see here, but that's hardly an accurate representation of anything.
I mean, if my atheist, Yankee *** can go down south and encounter zero problems...
Then you probably didn't mention that you were a Yankee or an athiest.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-08-21 12:05:29
Those two facts have full bearing to the main question:
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Was the kid trying to get the police officer's gun? That is up for debate.
they absolutely do not. Let me ask you this then:
Would an innocent person ever even attempt to take a gun away from a cop? Yes.
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By Ragnarok.Leysritt 2014-08-21 12:11:21
Those two facts have full bearing to the main question:
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Was the kid trying to get the police officer's gun? That is up for debate.
they absolutely do not. Let me ask you this then:
Would an innocent person ever even attempt to take a gun away from a cop? Yes.
I'm innocent, and I sure as hell wouldn't try. Misfires, accidental trigger squeezes, HELL NO.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2014-08-21 12:14:43
Those two facts have full bearing to the main question:
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Was the kid trying to get the police officer's gun? That is up for debate.
they absolutely do not. Let me ask you this then:
Would an innocent person ever even attempt to take a gun away from a cop? If they were socialized to distrust cops, yes.
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By Fenrir.Squintik 2014-08-21 12:17:19
Those two facts have full bearing to the main question:
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Was the kid trying to get the police officer's gun? That is up for debate.
they absolutely do not. Let me ask you this then:
Would an innocent person ever even attempt to take a gun away from a cop? Yes.
Depends on the circumstances. If I was being violently roughed up by a cop when I hadn't done anything, and I felt my life was in imminent danger, the thought would cross my mind at the very least.
Also, if I were as high as a kite on meth, I'd probably give it a try for shiggles.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-21 12:20:19
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I heard that the cop is injured. Why did he wait 10days to show his injuries?
And I truly hope that being a saint is not a requirement to avoid being shot in the USA. I have no halo above my head, it could be dangerous to spend my vacations in your country next year.
Are you black? If so, expect a free flight home in a bodybag.
And whatever you do, don't question the police, they'll break your *** arms for resisting and murder you if you make any sudden movements. Welcome to the United States of Overreaction, enjoy your stay.
Also, burning crosses are part of the tour experience. Just take pictures and get the hell out of town before the sun rises.
Yikes, Sparth. I think you're getting too passionate about this one. @.@
I mean, I'm not really sure what would be worth flying across an ocean to see here, but that's hardly an accurate representation of anything.
I mean, if my atheist, Yankee *** can go down south and encounter zero problems...
Then you probably didn't mention that you were a Yankee or an athiest.
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It's not hard to pick a yankee out in the Carolinas. I lack the drawal. Also, people in the South get very uppity with northerners for being rude and abrupt because we speak to the point and don't spend 20 minutes himming and hawing over every facet of a conversation.
To recap the events going on:
It all started with this:
Quote: The fatal shooting of an unarmed black St. Louis teen Saturday has caused an outcry of anger toward the city’s police, with locals rallying in the streets and widening uproar on social media.
Eighteen-year-old Michael Brown was being placed in a police squad car, eyewitness Piaget Crenshaw told the St. Louis Dispatch, when he put his hands in the air and attempted to flee. Several shots hit him as he ran away.
St. Louis County police chief Jon Belmar said Sunday that Brown struggled for the officer’s gun in the patrol car and that one shot was fired from the officer’s gun during the tussle. The officer fired multiple shots at Brown as he fled, Belmar said.
Anger flared the rest of the day after Brown’s death, as protesters screamed obscenities mixed with threats to “kill the police,” and more than 60 area police officers responded to the scene. More shots were reported, though no one was injured. Public Outcry After Police Shooting of Black St. Louis Teenager
Then this happened:
Quote: An uneasy calm settled over Ferguson, Missouri, early Tuesday after a second night of violent clashes between law enforcement and residents protesting the police shooting of an unarmed black teenager, with another demonstration planned for mid-morning.
So far, more than 50 people have been arrested in protests following the death of Michael Brown, 18, in a largely black St. Louis suburb on Saturday after what police officials said was a struggle with a gun in a squad car.
The FBI has opened a civil rights investigation into the racially charged case, and St. Louis County is also investigating the shooting.
Police have not said why Brown was in the police car. At least one shot was fired during the struggle, and then the officer fired more shots before leaving the car, police said.
Chanting "hands up, don’t shoot," protesters overnight challenged police trying to seal off the neighborhood where Brown was shot, a low-income, high-crime area east of downtown Ferguson. Some protesters said they were outraged that Brown appeared to have been shot while holding his hands up in surrender, calling the shooting the latest in a long history of police harassment of area minorities.
"They brought this on themselves," said 25-year-old Adam Burcher of Ferguson, who stood outside the Ferguson Police Department on Monday night with a sign reading "Stop Killing."
Later on Tuesday, a protest is expected outside the St. Louis County prosecutor's office in Clayton, Missouri, and officials are also expected to identify the police officer involved in the shooting. Another protest set in Missouri after riots over teen's killing
Followed by this:
Quote: Violence again erupted in the St. Louis area near the site of the police shooting death of an unarmed black teenager, according to local police, despite calls by U.S. President Barack Obama and activists for a measured response.
Early on Wednesday, a police officer shot and critically wounded a man who drew a handgun near the site of protests over the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, a St. Louis County Police Department officer said.
Police responded about an hour after midnight to reports of four or five men with shotguns and wearing ski masks. They encountered multiple suspects running, one of whom pulled a gun on an officer, who fired at him, the county officer said. The man was taken to an area hospital.
Shortly after midnight, police fired tear gas into protesters who had confronted a line of officers after a far larger crowd dispersed, St. Louis County Police Department spokesman Brian Schellman said.
A photograph in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch showed a protester wearing a shirt with an American flag printed on it throwing a tear gas container back at the police. There were other media reports of bottles thrown at police.
The incidents followed two nights of violent protests, looting and arrests in Ferguson, the largely black St. Louis suburb where the shooting of Brown took place. Violence erupts again after killing of black Missouri teen
And now to bring you up to date:
Quote:
The Ferguson and St. Louis County police departments, which led the initial response to civil unrest in Ferguson, are both equipped with military equipment donated by the Defense Dept. Ferguson has received two vehicles, a trailer and a generator and St. Louis County has received nine utility trucks and two cargo trailers since 2012.
The equipment was received under the 1033 program which was enacted by Congress in 1992, and expanded in 1997. The program allows police forces to request and receive refurbished military equipment free of charge from the Pentagon. Police departments need only pay for shipping. Ferguson and St. Louis County police received military equipment from Pentagon
Quote: President Barack Obama on Thursday said that police should respect protesters after four nights of racially charged demonstrations in Ferguson, Missouri, over the recent police killing of an unarmed black teenager.
"There is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting," Obama said a televised remarks.
"There's also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protesters or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their first amendment rights," he said, speaking to the press from Edgartown, Massachusetts near where he is vacationing with his family.
After the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown in the St. Louis suburb on Saturday, dozens of protesters have been arrested and the police have used riot gear, tear gas and rubber bullets to break up protests.
There have been peaceful vigils and demonstrations as well as episodes of looting and violence.
Governor Jay Nixon on Thursday also told community members at a church in the St. Louis area that "over the next few hours we are going to be making some shifts so that people will be ... safe." He did not specify what his steps would be made. Obama calls for police to respect protesters in Ferguson, Missouri
Don't forget this one too:
Quote: Two reporters covering the shooting of an unarmed black teen by a white police officer in a St. Louis suburb say they were arrested at a McDonald’s Wednesday evening in the commercial corridor where angry protests have occurred.
Wesley Lowery of The Washington Post and Ryan Reilly of The Huffington Post say they were working in the fast-food restaurant when SWAT officers came in to quickly clear the area. Both quickly tweeted about their arrests, detention and subsequent release without any charges.
Reilly tells KMOX News that officers were trying to clear out the restaurant.
“I was just packing up, and I evidently did not move quickly enough,” he says.
Reilly says an officer banged his head on the restaurant door and sarcastically apologized for it.
“None of them were wearing name badges, I don’t know why,” he says. “Over a dozen times I asked for an identity, I asked for a badge number, and all the officers standing around heard my request and ignored it.”
Reilly said he believes they were released so quickly because they were journalists. He realized during his interview with KMOX News that he was not read his Miranda Rights.
“I wasn’t even Mirandaized,” he says. “I did not even think about that until you just mentioned. I was never given…nothing…wow. I should really know that as a justice reporter. I sort of knew it by heart, but I was never given my rights, or anything like that was mentioned.”
Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson did not immediately return a cellphone message from The Associated Press seeking comment. 2 Reporters Arrested At Ferguson McDonald’s
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