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 Siren.Mosin
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-08-01 14:01:32  
interesting...

I propose people take care of their kids >>> 2 page abortion discussion occurs

Ok, maybe people aren't ready for kids.
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By Blazed1979 2014-08-01 14:02:17  
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
unless of course you mourn every single ejaculation you've ever had that didn't impregnate a woman
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-01 14:02:28  
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Ebola virus to abortion?

Can we just go back to talking about beer?!


Can we NOT get into Fetal Alcohol Syndrome?

You want to talk about poor kids that should have never been conceived because their parents are *** terrible human beings. Doubly so for the babies born addicted to coke and heroin.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-01 14:02:58  
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
If you haven't considered the possibility of becoming a parent, you shouldn't be freely engaging in sex.

Sex has purposes other than reproductivity. Many -- all better, really -- purposes than reproductivity.

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If the kid isn't in immediate physical danger, it's none of your business.

Children eating of of the garbage because parents haven't fed them for days on end isn't immediate physical danger.

Got it. None of my business.

I bet you're the kind of *** who thinks beating women is okay too because she totally chose to be with that guy.

We reproduce through sex. period. It may have other uses as well but you've got to have a pretty serious denial structure to be able to exclude reproduction from it entirely.

...and you resort to name calling. If a woman chooses to remain with someone who repeatedly abuses her, it is not my place to prevent her from making that choice. I'd certainly advise her against doing it.

"Not my business" has nothing to do with approving of something, just recognizing that I am not entitled to force people to do what to do.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-01 14:03:04  
Blazed1979 said: »
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
unless of course you mourn every single ejaculation you've ever had that didn't impregnate a woman
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HOLY SH!T!! WTF DID I JUST WATCH?!

Monty Python.

Now go watch The Life of Brian. I think you'll be amused.

Or start a war.

Either way.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-08-01 14:03:47  
Fine I'll bite. What about fetuses who are diagnosed with down syndrome, sickle cell disease, cystic fibrosis, muscular dystrophy, etc. via amniocentesis?
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-08-01 14:05:29  
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Bahamut.Kara said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
No one's against "non abortive" birth control,

What are you considering abortive birth control?

Last time you said anything that affected the implantation in the uterus.

Edit: from previous thread
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
No! You are incorrect, if the medication alters the uterus so that the egg isn't capable of being implanted, they abort the pregnancy.

Topics of BC and abortion are really becoming a fool's errand on here, unfortunately.

EDIT: Then again, maybe they always were.

It's all_my_fault.

It's okay. In the spirit of Friday, maybe we should nix the frustrated/sad GIFs. My humble offering...



EDIT: Beer and kids that made it thread AHOY!

DOUBLE EDIT: Beer as the cause for the kiddos who made it? Hmmm?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-08-01 14:05:53  
Don't think of it as abortion. Think of it as making angels~
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-01 14:05:54  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
If you haven't considered the possibility of becoming a parent, you shouldn't be freely engaging in sex.

Sex has purposes other than reproductivity. Many -- all better, really -- purposes than reproductivity.

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If the kid isn't in immediate physical danger, it's none of your business.

Children eating of of the garbage because parents haven't fed them for days on end isn't immediate physical danger.

Got it. None of my business.

I bet you're the kind of *** who thinks beating women is okay too because she totally chose to be with that guy.

We reproduce through sex. period. It may have other uses as well but you've got to have a pretty serious denial structure to be able to exclude reproduction from it entirely.

...and you resort to name calling. If a woman chooses to remain with someone who repeatedly abuses her, it is not my place to prevent her from making that choice. I'd certainly advise her against doing it.

"Not my business" has nothing to do with approving of something, just recognizing that I am not entitled to force people to do what to do.

Chances of reproduction during a period is extremely low.

Jokes aside, I'm not excluding it entirely. I'm just stating that from a human perspective it's the least important aspect of the act.

As far as name calling, what do you want me to say? I think you're being a ***! "Not my business" is the battle cry of thousands of years of standing by and letting bad things happen to people because getting involved is uncomfortable.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-01 14:06:06  
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Siren.Mosin said: »
interesting...

I propose people take care of their kids >>> 2 page abortion discussion occurs

Ok, maybe people aren't ready for kids.

Fine I'll bite. What about fetuses who are diagnosed with down syndrome, sickle cell disease, cystic fibrosis, muscular dystrophy, etc. via amniocentesis?

Wasn't Beethoven deaf? Disabled people can't live wonderful lives?

They all deserve a shot to.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-08-01 14:07:06  
This is quite the hole you've dug yourself into.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-08-01 14:08:19  
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Wasn't Beethoven deaf? Disabled people can't live wonderful lives?

They all deserve a shot to.

Ok you are comparing hearing loss to severely debilitating genetic disorders.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-01 14:10:49  
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Don't think of it as abortion. Think of it as making angels~

Side note, maybe a bit of theoretical discussion of theology instead of its flawed application:

Angels are not dead people's souls. Angels are another thing entirely.
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By Raein Tilgung 2014-08-01 14:12:05  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Siren.Mosin said: »
interesting...

I propose people take care of their kids >>> 2 page abortion discussion occurs

Ok, maybe people aren't ready for kids.

Fine I'll bite. What about fetuses who are diagnosed with down syndrome, sickle cell disease, cystic fibrosis, muscular dystrophy, etc. via amniocentesis?

Wasn't Beethoven deaf? Disabled people can't live wonderful lives?

They all deserve a shot to.
All aspects of his life aside from his musical career were complete ***iirc.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-01 14:13:23  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Siren.Mosin said: »
interesting...

I propose people take care of their kids >>> 2 page abortion discussion occurs

Ok, maybe people aren't ready for kids.

Fine I'll bite. What about fetuses who are diagnosed with down syndrome, sickle cell disease, cystic fibrosis, muscular dystrophy, etc. via amniocentesis?

Wasn't Beethoven deaf? Disabled people can't live wonderful lives?

They all deserve a shot to.

Coincidentally, this is a huge reason why my wife and I won't have children. We are not prepared to take care of someone with severe disabilities, and as that is always a possibility with children, and we would feel responsible as such, we're simply not having them.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-08-01 14:13:55  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »

"Not my business" has nothing to do with approving of something, just recognizing that I am not entitled to force people to do what to do.
So stop getting on your high horse about birth control, abortions, and immigration.
It isn't your business.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-01 14:14:31  
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Wasn't Beethoven deaf? Disabled people can't live wonderful lives?

They all deserve a shot to.

Ok you are comparing hearing loss to severely debilitating genetic disorders.

If we're lucky, and if people like Nausi stop getting in the way, hopefully we'll be able to screen out and alter away these things during pregnancy in the decades to come.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-01 14:15:10  
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
If you haven't considered the possibility of becoming a parent, you shouldn't be freely engaging in sex.

Sex has purposes other than reproductivity. Many -- all better, really -- purposes than reproductivity.

Quote:
If the kid isn't in immediate physical danger, it's none of your business.

Children eating of of the garbage because parents haven't fed them for days on end isn't immediate physical danger.

Got it. None of my business.

I bet you're the kind of *** who thinks beating women is okay too because she totally chose to be with that guy.

We reproduce through sex. period. It may have other uses as well but you've got to have a pretty serious denial structure to be able to exclude reproduction from it entirely.

...and you resort to name calling. If a woman chooses to remain with someone who repeatedly abuses her, it is not my place to prevent her from making that choice. I'd certainly advise her against doing it.

"Not my business" has nothing to do with approving of something, just recognizing that I am not entitled to force people to do what to do.

Chances of reproduction during a period is extremely low.

Jokes aside, I'm not excluding it entirely. I'm just stating that from a human perspective it's the least important aspect of the act.

As far as name calling, what do you want me to say? I think you're being a ***! "Not my business" is the battle cry of thousands of years of standing by and letting bad things happen to people because getting involved is uncomfortable.

You think I'm scared to get involved? That's not the case. There's a difference between getting involved and offering help and getting involved and taking over. If some girl wants to live with an abusive guy, that's really her business. She's free to leave every time it happens and you can't really make the decision to leave for her.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-08-01 14:15:51  
Nausi when my over the top liberal radio show starts up please call every day.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-01 14:17:36  
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Nausi when my over the top liberal radio show starts up please call every day.
You got it!
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-08-01 14:18:21  
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If we're lucky, and if people like Nausi stop getting in the way, hopefully we'll be able to screen out and alter away these things during pregnancy in the decades to come.

Auto-abort shouldn't be the answer to all genetic disorders. I think that's ultimately a private choice between the parents and the physician. Individuals with down-syndrome can go on to live a decent quality of life.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-01 14:18:47  
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »

"Not my business" has nothing to do with approving of something, just recognizing that I am not entitled to force people to do what to do.
So stop getting on your high horse about birth control, abortions, and immigration.
It isn't your business.

Do you even read?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-01 14:19:37  
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This is quite the hole you've dug yourself into.

Just another day on the FFXIAH forums Pleebo....
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-08-01 14:21:14  
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
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If we're lucky, and if people like Nausi stop getting in the way, hopefully we'll be able to screen out and alter away these things during pregnancy in the decades to come.

Auto-abort shouldn't be the answer to all genetic disorders. I think that's ultimately a private choice between the parents and the physician. Individuals with down-syndrome can go on to live a decent quality of life.

Auto abort shouldn't be the answer ever.

I bet people who were deaf in the time of Beethoven lived a poorer quality of life than people with genetic disorders are capable of living today.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-08-01 14:21:38  
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »

Not at all what I was conveying. :/
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-08-01 14:26:53  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
If we're lucky, and if people like Nausi stop getting in the way, hopefully we'll be able to screen out and alter away these things during pregnancy in the decades to come.

Auto-abort shouldn't be the answer to all genetic disorders. I think that's ultimately a private choice between the parents and the physician. Individuals with down-syndrome can go on to live a decent quality of life.

Auto abort shouldn't be the answer ever.

I bet people who were deaf in the time of Beethoven lived a poorer quality of life than people with genetic disorders are capable of living today.
False equivalence.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-08-01 14:27:11  
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Auto abort shouldn't be the answer ever.

I bet people who were deaf in the time of Beethoven lived a poorer quality of life than people with genetic disorders are capable of living today.

Some genetic disorders reduce human life expectancy significantly. I'm talking to about less than 20 years...

Additionally, even with today's medicine those <20 years are hardly what I would consider quality of life.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-01 14:32:00  
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Auto abort shouldn't be the answer ever.

I bet people who were deaf in the time of Beethoven lived a poorer quality of life than people with genetic disorders are capable of living today.

Some genetic disorders reduce human life expectancy significantly. I'm talking to about less than 20 years...

Additionally, even with today's medicine those <20 years are hardly what I would consider quality of life.
This is the hardest part of considering abortion or not, in my opinion.

But you have to agree with me on this, most abortions being used today are not for probable major birth defects, but because Suzy got knocked up by Bobby at the school prom, and neither wants to take care of the kid.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-08-01 14:33:37  
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But you have to agree with me on this, most abortions being used today are not for probable major birth defects, but because Suzy got knocked up by Bobby at the school prom, and neither wants to take care of the kid.
Prove it.
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