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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-08-05 07:52:59
Supposedly the boycot is "working" in France; not only they changed the code bar of Israel on some product; but some product from Israel got a false "from france" label lol.
Some shop even removed all the product on those list that supposedly support Israel. Not only Israel from what I've seen, UK is in it, too. Also Germany I believe? Not totally sure, but there was a news about it yesterday that listed the countries using the app and where Israel started losing money. The loss on the first week was 29M I believe. You can find the article with those key words.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2014-08-05 07:53:14
a peaceful world with no war....you wouldn't have enemies....
You can have enemies without war. If it is a peaceful world, that means that everyone's happy and nobody hates or disagrees with each other.
So, how can you have enemies if you don't disagree with anyone?
I have enemies irl and I disagree with many ppl on earth, but I don't shoot rocket at them just because I dislike them/hate them.
War = you shoot rockets at them. Enemies = people you disagree with.
How can you have enemies if you don't disagree with anyone?
Here, I'll bold the question you quoted also.
Not sure what's so wrong with the above logic. I never say anything about being impossible to disagree with someone. But you don't necessary want to sacrifice your life to kill other ppl just because you disagree with them.
This is my original statement:
Quote: If you live in a peaceful world with no war, and you have food, family and a well paid job, will you ever bother think about tossing your life away to kill your enemy? I doubt it, unless you're insane.
You can disagree with someone and become enemies. But you may not start a war with them nor sacrifice your life to kill them. Having enemies =/= wanting to sacrifice your life to kill them.
Edit: Maybe we have different POV toward the word "peace". When I said peace I mean there are no real risk in life, no rockes/bombs firing at your house. I don't mean a world with zero disagreement.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-08-05 07:57:09
It's France, so who cares?
I want 100 pages so I'll answer you!
You should care, the less money other country give to Israel, the more money you'll give to Israel with your tax :D
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-05 08:04:38
Eighty-Nine Pages!!!!!!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-05 08:11:50
It's France, so who cares? The French. It's the French, so who cares?
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »It's not in the glorious United States of A, why should I care? You're right, why would anyone share something that isn't about the official FFXIAH country. Except that France and the French are the redheaded stepchild of the EU and world. Who cares about them, and why haven't you been slapped yet?
I want 100 pages so I'll answer you!
You should care, the less money other country give to Israel, the more money you'll give to Israel with your tax :D Personally, I wouldn't give money out to any foreign nation. But since Israel plays a strategic partner with the rest of the Middle East in terms of military power, then I have no real qualms about giving money to Israel. The only way my mind would be changed is if the Muslim community would grow out of their "kill all infidels" stage of their childhood.
Not sure what's so wrong with the above logic. I never say anything about being impossible to disagree with someone. But you don't necessary want to sacrifice your life to kill other ppl just because you disagree with them.
This is my original statement:
Quote: If you live in a peaceful world with no war, and you have food, family and a well paid job, will you ever bother think about tossing your life away to kill your enemy? I doubt it, unless you're insane.
You can disagree with someone and become enemies. But you may not start a war with them nor sacrifice your life to kill them. Having enemies =/= wanting to sacrifice your life to kill them.
Edit: Maybe we have different POV toward the word "peace". When I said peace I mean there are no real risk in life, no rockes/bombs firing at your house. I don't mean a world with zero disagreement. Your quote itself is a contradiction of itself though. If there is no war, there would be no enemies, since you have to fight somebody to have a war. And being peaceful means that you accept everyone for who they are, and have no qualms about who they are and how they live their lives. And that applies to everyone.
So, to be peaceful means that everyone accepts everyone. If everyone accepts everyone, then who is there to fight? If there is no fighting, there are no enemies and no war.
That is my point.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-08-05 08:24:46
This conflict is about land, not religion. Religion is merely the comfortable fallback that gains traction when people are dispossessed, humiliated and forced into ghettoes.
Harp on about the red herring Hamas all you want, the reality is that Israel is colonizing and expanding its territory outward while setting up an inherently racist apartheid state. Spin all you want for AIPAC and her allies, Americans mostly care about the money anyway but rockets tend to die down when people see a future and the only Palestinian future right now is to surrender wholesale on Israeli terms.
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Again, take a look at the land map and the growth of Israel.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-05 08:25:10
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2014-08-05 08:26:41
It's France, so who cares? The French. It's the French, so who cares?
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »It's not in the glorious United States of A, why should I care? You're right, why would anyone share something that isn't about the official FFXIAH country. Except that France and the French are the redheaded stepchild of the EU and world. Who cares about them, and why haven't you been slapped yet?
I want 100 pages so I'll answer you!
You should care, the less money other country give to Israel, the more money you'll give to Israel with your tax :D Personally, I wouldn't give money out to any foreign nation. But since Israel plays a strategic partner with the rest of the Middle East in terms of military power, then I have no real qualms about giving money to Israel. The only way my mind would be changed is if the Muslim community would grow out of their "kill all infidels" stage of their childhood.
Not sure what's so wrong with the above logic. I never say anything about being impossible to disagree with someone. But you don't necessary want to sacrifice your life to kill other ppl just because you disagree with them.
This is my original statement:
Quote: If you live in a peaceful world with no war, and you have food, family and a well paid job, will you ever bother think about tossing your life away to kill your enemy? I doubt it, unless you're insane.
You can disagree with someone and become enemies. But you may not start a war with them nor sacrifice your life to kill them. Having enemies =/= wanting to sacrifice your life to kill them.
Edit: Maybe we have different POV toward the word "peace". When I said peace I mean there are no real risk in life, no rockes/bombs firing at your house. I don't mean a world with zero disagreement. Your quote itself is a contradiction of itself though. If there is no war, there would be no enemies, since you have to fight somebody to have a war. And being peaceful means that you accept everyone for who they are, and have no qualms about who they are and how they live their lives. And that applies to everyone.
So, to be peaceful means that everyone accepts everyone. If everyone accepts everyone, then who is there to fight? If there is no fighting, there are no enemies and no war.
That is my point.
I defined "peaceful world" within same sentence, which means a world with no war.
Enemies don't necessary mean someone you encounter at war. You can hate on someone or a group, but you may decide not to start a war or conflict because you're not strong enough to fight them. Technically they're still your enemies, but that's not war. "War" is the result of action, "enemy" is more like a status.
North Korea view many countries their "enemies", but they haven't shoot anything toward them yet. So NK has enemies but there are no war in NK. How's that a contradiction?
By volkom 2014-08-05 08:32:41
Think you should look up the definition of "enemy"
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-08-05 08:42:25
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »It's not in the glorious United States of A, why should I care? You're right, why would anyone share something that isn't about the official FFXIAH country. Except that France and the French are the redheaded stepchild of the EU and world. Who cares about them, and why haven't you been slapped yet? You're mistaking with Ireland (literally), but actually, we do not have any redheaded stepchild in EU as far as I know. We're pretty similar when it comes to the "main EU countries", with the exception of UK being a mix between the US and EU (a disgusting one).
As for the slap, why don't you come give it to me, big boy? I'm waiting.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-05 08:46:10
I defined "peaceful world" within same sentence, which means a world with no war.
Enemies don't necessary mean someone you encounter at war. You can hate on someone or a group, but you may decide not to start a war or conflict because you're not strong enough to fight them. Technically they're still your enemies, but that's not war. "War" is the result of action, "enemy" is more like a status.
North Korea view many countries their "enemies", but they haven't shoot anything toward them yet. So NK has enemies but there are no war in NK. How's that a contradiction? Explain how you can be at peace with enemies then.
Maybe then you will see the contradiction.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-05 08:47:07
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »It's not in the glorious United States of A, why should I care? You're right, why would anyone share something that isn't about the official FFXIAH country. Except that France and the French are the redheaded stepchild of the EU and world. Who cares about them, and why haven't you been slapped yet? You're mistaking with Ireland (literally), but actually, we do not have any redheaded stepchild in EU as far as I know. We're pretty similar when it comes to the "main EU countries", with the exception of UK being a mix between the US and EU (a disgusting one).
As for the slap, why don't you come give it to me, big boy? I'm waiting. How come the French is ridiculed (unjustly I might add) at every turn?
Although, to be honest, I'm guilty of ridiculing the French like everyone else.
By fonewear 2014-08-05 08:47:22
I boycotted the Gaza Strip when I found out it didn't have any strip clubs.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-08-05 08:48:59
Only in US there's this France-demeaning meme tbh. In EU we just don't like them cause they're ***.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-08-05 08:51:09
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »It's not in the glorious United States of A, why should I care? You're right, why would anyone share something that isn't about the official FFXIAH country. Except that France and the French are the redheaded stepchild of the EU and world. Who cares about them, and why haven't you been slapped yet? You're mistaking with Ireland (literally), but actually, we do not have any redheaded stepchild in EU as far as I know. We're pretty similar when it comes to the "main EU countries", with the exception of UK being a mix between the US and EU (a disgusting one).
As for the slap, why don't you come give it to me, big boy? I'm waiting. How come the French is ridiculed (unjustly I might add) at every turn?
Although, to be honest, I'm guilty of ridiculing the French like everyone else. We explained this at the beginning of the thread, and Seha just repeated it again.
In EU, we have nothing against each others. We'll call English rosbeefs, they'll call us frogs, but nobody cares. This goes for any of the main EU countries.
Nice dodging though, bad boy.
Only in US there's this France-demeaning meme tbh. In EU we just don't like them cause they're ***. Pretty sure you're old enough to be aware that humans are ***, no country has the monopoly of neither stupidity nor dickery.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-05 08:52:32
Only in US there's this France-demeaning meme tbh. In EU we just don't like them cause they're ***. I'm pretty sure that the rest of the world views them as snotty *** too.
By volkom 2014-08-05 08:54:27
Only in US there's this France-demeaning meme tbh. In EU we just don't like them cause they're ***. I'm pretty sure that the rest of the world views them as snotty *** too. can't recall a french victory w/o outside help in the modern era
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-08-05 08:55:30
Ever heard of this guy called Napoleon? If he didn't start the russian campaign Europe today would be much different.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-05 08:55:39
I defined "peaceful world" within same sentence, which means a world with no war.
Enemies don't necessary mean someone you encounter at war. You can hate on someone or a group, but you may decide not to start a war or conflict because you're not strong enough to fight them. Technically they're still your enemies, but that's not war. "War" is the result of action, "enemy" is more like a status.
North Korea view many countries their "enemies", but they haven't shoot anything toward them yet. So NK has enemies but there are no war in NK. How's that a contradiction? Explain how you can be at peace with enemies then.
Maybe then you will see the contradiction.
Two words:
"Cold War".
By volkom 2014-08-05 08:57:08
I defined "peaceful world" within same sentence, which means a world with no war.
Enemies don't necessary mean someone you encounter at war. You can hate on someone or a group, but you may decide not to start a war or conflict because you're not strong enough to fight them. Technically they're still your enemies, but that's not war. "War" is the result of action, "enemy" is more like a status.
North Korea view many countries their "enemies", but they haven't shoot anything toward them yet. So NK has enemies but there are no war in NK. How's that a contradiction? Explain how you can be at peace with enemies then.
Maybe then you will see the contradiction.
Two words:
"Cold War".
proxy wars. russian in afghanistan & US in vietnam. not exactly considered peaceful if one or the other is supplying the weapons to kill
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-08-05 08:57:38
Only in US there's this France-demeaning meme tbh. In EU we just don't like them cause they're ***. I'm pretty sure that the rest of the world views them as snotty *** too. can't recall a french victory w/o outside help in the modern era I just find it funny how the literal biggest colony worldwide keeps making fun of its roots every single day.
And thinking they're actually cool when doing so.
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2014-08-05 08:57:45
I defined "peaceful world" within same sentence, which means a world with no war.
Enemies don't necessary mean someone you encounter at war. You can hate on someone or a group, but you may decide not to start a war or conflict because you're not strong enough to fight them. Technically they're still your enemies, but that's not war. "War" is the result of action, "enemy" is more like a status.
North Korea view many countries their "enemies", but they haven't shoot anything toward them yet. So NK has enemies but there are no war in NK. How's that a contradiction? Explain how you can be at peace with enemies then.
Maybe then you will see the contradiction.
Two words:
"Cold War".
Two more words:
"Family Reunion"
By volkom 2014-08-05 08:59:43
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Only in US there's this France-demeaning meme tbh. In EU we just don't like them cause they're ***. I'm pretty sure that the rest of the world views them as snotty *** too. can't recall a french victory w/o outside help in the modern era I just find it funny how the literal biggest colony worldwide keeps making fun of its roots every single day.
And thinking they're actually cool when doing so.
13 separate colonies*
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-05 08:59:44
Only in US there's this France-demeaning meme tbh. In EU we just don't like them cause they're ***. I'm pretty sure that the rest of the world views them as snotty *** too. can't recall a french victory w/o outside help in the modern era
The 5 Most Statistically Full of ***National Stereotypes
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-08-05 09:04:37
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Only in US there's this France-demeaning meme tbh. In EU we just don't like them cause they're ***. I'm pretty sure that the rest of the world views them as snotty *** too. can't recall a french victory w/o outside help in the modern era I just find it funny how the literal biggest colony worldwide keeps making fun of its roots every single day.
And thinking they're actually cool when doing so.
13 separate colonies* Missing the point since 1787.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-08-05 09:04:47
lol my web filter blocks your link and puts it in the category of "tasteless"
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-05 09:06:51
I defined "peaceful world" within same sentence, which means a world with no war.
Enemies don't necessary mean someone you encounter at war. You can hate on someone or a group, but you may decide not to start a war or conflict because you're not strong enough to fight them. Technically they're still your enemies, but that's not war. "War" is the result of action, "enemy" is more like a status.
North Korea view many countries their "enemies", but they haven't shoot anything toward them yet. So NK has enemies but there are no war in NK. How's that a contradiction? Explain how you can be at peace with enemies then.
Maybe then you will see the contradiction.
Two words:
"Cold War".
proxy wars. russian in afghanistan & US in vietnam. not exactly considered peaceful if one or the other is supplying the weapons to kill
Fair enough, I suppose.
By volkom 2014-08-05 09:12:04
Only in US there's this France-demeaning meme tbh. In EU we just don't like them cause they're ***. I'm pretty sure that the rest of the world views them as snotty *** too. can't recall a french victory w/o outside help in the modern era
The 5 Most Statistically Full of ***National StereotypesI like the yahoo answer for "True or false the French military has never won a war on there own?"
the answer
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-05 09:13:31
lol my web filter blocks your link and puts it in the category of "tasteless"
Your web filter's a prude!
If you're not familiar with Cracked.com, they're a humour site but tend to do some fairly compelling lists of lists about various topics as well as human interest stories, both under the guise of humour, too.
I can see why the "tasteless" tag may apply as their site certainly can have a vulgar tone to it, but it's frequently done in a fairly sophisticated brand of vulgarity. It's also largely SFW as long as you're count "SFW" to only account for images and not text content.
Then again, this site probably isn't entirely SFW from a text content aspect.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2014-08-05 09:19:43
Think you should look up the definition of "enemy"
I did.
enemy
ˈɛnəmi/Submit
noun
a person who is actively opposed or hostile to someone or something.
Didn't say a thing about shooting rockets.
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