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It makes sense but since you just admitted you're ignorant on the subject how about you just carry on.
How about you explain instead of being a complete ***? Also it's incredibly arrogant to believe you can know for certainty the exact number when it's disputed even at academic level. Way to go Jet.
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Jetackuu said: »
Asura.Ccl said: »
I get it, you guys didn't visit those camp, so you can't explain why those number doesn't match the accepted numbers.
edit: you should provide a source that discredite the 200k since it is done easily. Anyone has reference of a good book made in the 80's or before about the subject?
Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Asura.Ccl said: »
Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Because Auschwitz is only one of three independent camps colloquially known as Auschwitz. Try harder.
Is Auschwitz bad and I should try to visit another one someday?
The numbers fluctuate because Auschwitz is three separate camps. Auschwitz and Birkeneu being the two most infamous, but there was a third which didn't have a death count until the 1970's.
That kill it now, this list of name in Auschwitz is prolly not accurate neither then; was pretty sad when you saw Nazi giving name to animals but numbers to people.
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
How about you explain instead of being a complete ***? Also it's incredibly arrogant to believe you can know for certainty the exact number when it's disputed even at academic level. Way to go Jet.
We don't need to know the exact number, but there's a world of difference between 200k and 6 million.
There's no credible argument for a 200k number, so trying to give it credibility to say it's "disputed even at an academic" is laughable and sad.
As for the other bit, you won't understand if you didn't already. Don't take it as an insult but just a geographic/cultural difference, I had a guess you probably wouldn't get it in the first place.
I never said I agree with the 200k, don't confuse me with other people. I said exact number, do you have it? No? Then you're just as ignorant, as you called me.
Also
person A: I question this number
person B: that's like saying black people should be slaves
where is the connection? Oh sorry, I'm not worth teaching to I guess.
Also
person A: I question this number
person B: that's like saying black people should be slaves
where is the connection? Oh sorry, I'm not worth teaching to I guess.
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I never said I agree with the 200k, don't confuse me with other people. I said exact number, do you have it? No? Then you're just as ignorant, as you called me.
Also
person A: I say this number is wrong based on proven false evidence
person B: that's like saying black people should be slaves
where is the connection? Oh sorry, I'm not worth teaching to I guess.
Also
person A: I say this number is wrong based on proven false evidence
person B: that's like saying black people should be slaves
where is the connection? Oh sorry, I'm not worth teaching to I guess.
It has nothing to do with what you're worth, but since you don't understand the background of the one, and it would take a lot of time to teach that, I'm not going to waste the time. If you want to go look up the history and why they're equally inaccurate and ignorant statements then you do it. I understand that it's not part of your culture, so I don't expect you to know it.
Altimaomega said: »
This whole conversion, not to mention mass death could have been avoided if it wasn't for this.
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I didn't say I agree with 200k. I didn't say I disagree with millions. I said I cannot know the exact number thus I wouldn't comment on the subject cause I only talk about things I know - unlike many aroud these parts -.
So this is incorrect as I wasn't backing up anything at all, but merely calling myself out of a discussion on numbers.
I'll leave the other one alone since you don't even wanna bother.
Jetackuu said: »
There's no credible argument for a 200k number, so trying to give it credibility to say it's "disputed even at an academic" is laughable and sad.
I'll leave the other one alone since you don't even wanna bother.
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I didn't say I agree with 200k. I didn't say I disagree with millions. I said I cannot know the exact number thus I wouldn't comment on the subject cause I only talk about things I know - unlike many aroud these parts -.
So this is incorrect as I wasn't backing up anything at all, but merely calling myself out of a discussion on numbers.
I'll leave the other one alone since you don't even wanna bother.
Jetackuu said: »
There's no credible argument for a 200k number, so trying to give it credibility to say it's "disputed even at an academic" is laughable and sad.
I'll leave the other one alone since you don't even wanna bother.
I never said you didn't either, hence why you're confused.
That statement was still correct:
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
number when it's disputed even at academic level
There's no dispute, it's 6~ million.
You cut out the word 'exact' just so you can be right. Very constructive.
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
You cut out the word 'exact' just so you can be right. Very constructive.
Jetackuu said: »
There's no dispute, it's 6~ million.
There's no credible argument for a 6m number, so trying to give it credibility to say it's "disputed even at an academic" is laughable and sad.
See your sentence work for both numbers!
not at all, as the real evidence backs up the 6 million number, unlike your delusion.
In fact I didn't attack anyone for it ffs. I said in my first post on the subject that the number was of relative importance and you criticized it. Now that I return to it you're not fine with it either.
It was no high ground, I already explained why I said it.
It was no high ground, I already explained why I said it.
Jetackuu said: »
not at all, as the real evidence backs up the 6 million number, unlike your delusion.
Not saying 6m isn't true, just pointing out that you won't convince someone that way.
ps: Auschwitz is a real evidence but apparently I can't believe the names/number I saw there.
Euclids Cfinder said: »
So should I believe a free open encyclopedia over Name list/guide tour in auschwitz ?
Asura.Ccl said: »
So should I believe a free open encyclopedia over Name list/guide tour in auschwitz ?
What exactly did the tour guide tell you? Also, did he have any evidence to back up the claim?
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
In fact I didn't attack anyone for it ffs. I said in my first post on the subject that the number was of relative importance and you criticized it. Now that I return to it you're not fine with it either.
It was no high ground, I already explained why I said it.
It was no high ground, I already explained why I said it.
I never said you attacked anyone, nor was I "attacking" you...
Trying to dismiss the argument by saying:
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Bunch of people died, that's all that matters.
is highly ignorant, and almost as bad as the anti-Semitic holocaust deniers themselves, no I don't think that was your intent, I was merely pointing out the ridiculousness of such a statement.
It'd be like the difference of wiping Richmond, VA off the map, and the difference of wiping 3/4 of NYC off the map, the two are an entirely different scale.
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Asura.Ccl said: »
So should I believe a free open encyclopedia over Name list/guide tour in auschwitz ?
What exactly did the tour guide tell you? Also, did he have any evidence to back up the claim?
So, I'd say that these people are much more honest than this Wiki page.
Jetackuu said: »
I never said you attacked anyone, nor was I "attacking" you...
As for the other things I was only giving importance to the fact that people died, not demeaning the magnitude.
Asura.Ccl said: »
So should I believe a free open encyclopedia over Name list/guide tour in auschwitz ?
Considering it has it's sources listed and are easily verifiable, and it's been proven to be more accurate than Encyclopedia Britannica, yes.
Jetackuu said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
In fact I didn't attack anyone for it ffs. I said in my first post on the subject that the number was of relative importance and you criticized it. Now that I return to it you're not fine with it either.
It was no high ground, I already explained why I said it.
It was no high ground, I already explained why I said it.
I never said you attacked anyone, nor was I "attacking" you...
Trying to dismiss the argument by saying:
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Bunch of people died, that's all that matters.
is highly ignorant, and almost as bad as the anti-Semitic holocaust deniers themselves, no I don't think that was your intent, I was merely pointing out the ridiculousness of such a statement.
It'd be like the difference of wiping Richmond, VA off the map, and the difference of wiping 3/4 of NYC off the map, the two are an entirely different scale.
I'm as pained when a small town is wiped off than when X number of people die during WWII.
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Jetackuu said: »
I never said you attacked anyone, nor was I "attacking" you...
As for the other things I was only giving importance to the fact that people died, not demeaning the magnitude.
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
In fact I didn't attack anyone for it ffs.
You certainly implied the one, I was clarifying, unnecessarily for the other.
Regardless of your intent with your statement, that's what it came across as. Not to mention that no ***people died, but the scale matters.
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
In fact I didn't attack anyone for it ffs. I said in my first post on the subject that the number was of relative importance and you criticized it. Now that I return to it you're not fine with it either.
It was no high ground, I already explained why I said it.
It was no high ground, I already explained why I said it.
I never said you attacked anyone, nor was I "attacking" you...
Trying to dismiss the argument by saying:
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Bunch of people died, that's all that matters.
is highly ignorant, and almost as bad as the anti-Semitic holocaust deniers themselves, no I don't think that was your intent, I was merely pointing out the ridiculousness of such a statement.
It'd be like the difference of wiping Richmond, VA off the map, and the difference of wiping 3/4 of NYC off the map, the two are an entirely different scale.
I'm as pained when a small town is wiped off than when X number of people die during WWII.
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Asura.Ccl said: »
So should I believe a free open encyclopedia over Name list/guide tour in auschwitz ?
What exactly did the tour guide tell you? Also, did he have any evidence to back up the claim?
So, I'd say that these people are much more honest than this Wiki page.
So, what do chimneys have to do with numbers?
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Asura.Ccl said: »
So should I believe a free open encyclopedia over Name list/guide tour in auschwitz ?
What exactly did the tour guide tell you? Also, did he have any evidence to back up the claim?
So, I'd say that these people are much more honest than this Wiki page.
So, what do chimneys have to do with numbers?
When people visit Auschwitz and are explained that those were "ovens" and all, and they even added chimneys to reinforce this, you start wondering "what the ***?".
Or at least, some people did.
Jetackuu said: »
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
In fact I didn't attack anyone for it ffs. I said in my first post on the subject that the number was of relative importance and you criticized it. Now that I return to it you're not fine with it either.
It was no high ground, I already explained why I said it.
It was no high ground, I already explained why I said it.
I never said you attacked anyone, nor was I "attacking" you...
Trying to dismiss the argument by saying:
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Bunch of people died, that's all that matters.
is highly ignorant, and almost as bad as the anti-Semitic holocaust deniers themselves, no I don't think that was your intent, I was merely pointing out the ridiculousness of such a statement.
It'd be like the difference of wiping Richmond, VA off the map, and the difference of wiping 3/4 of NYC off the map, the two are an entirely different scale.
I'm as pained when a small town is wiped off than when X number of people die during WWII.
I was shocked and all when 9/11 happened, just as much as what happened to that plane not long ago over Ukraine, and just as much as what happened in Japan during Tohoku.
See what I mean? I really think that feelings aren't universal, they're a personal interpretation.
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