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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-07-31 04:34:04  
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It gets weirder when the xenophobes are calling other people xenophobes.
Since I'm the only one who's used that word, please point where I've been a xenophobe. I'm actually one of the few who has taken notice of core cultural differences showing up here and how that is affecting the discussion.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-07-31 04:37:18  
Let us not forget that the Semitic people include Akkadians (Assyrians/Syriacs and Babylonians), Ammonites, Amorites, Arameans, Chaldeans, Canaanites (including Hebrews/Israelites/Jews and Phoenicians/Carthaginians), Eblaites, Dilmunites, Edomites, Ethiopian Semites, Hyksos, Arabs, Nabateans, Maltese, Mandaeans, Mhallami, Moabites, Shebans and Ugarites

Semitic people
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-31 04:49:19  
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only the most oppressive regimes in the world, that harbor known globally active terrorists willingly, or commit to the slaughter of their own people for standing up for human rights, actually supported the UN Human rights resolution.
wow
such democratic
very civilized
so world citizen

And too long to quote all the posts, but this thread keeps showing an astounding xenophobia towards muslim people. And people cried anti-semitism? Lol, look in the mirror.
I've actually pretty much been against the terrorist groups, and people that condone, or support these groups and their actions, not the Muslim or Arab people themselves, as Chaos seems to have inferred, though it couldn't even remotely even be implied.

You'd have to be a complete retard to believe that Mexico, Russia, and China, don't have oppression of their people happening.

Their governments are some of the world's worst offenders of human rights violations.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-07-31 05:01:36  
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
only the most oppressive regimes in the world, that harbor known globally active terrorists willingly, or commit to the slaughter of their own people for standing up for human rights, actually supported the UN Human rights resolution.
wow
such democratic
very civilized
so world citizen

And too long to quote all the posts, but this thread keeps showing an astounding xenophobia towards muslim people. And people cried anti-semitism? Lol, look in the mirror.
I've actually pretty much been against the terrorist groups, and people that condone, or support these groups and their actions, not the Muslim or Arab people themselves, as Chaos seems to have inferred, though it couldn't even remotely even be implied.

You'd have to be a complete retard to believe that Mexico, Russia, and China, don't have oppression of their people happening.

Their governments are some of the world's worst offenders of human rights violations.

Good job trying to cover; but there 29 in favor, you only cited 3 country.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-07-31 05:06:54  
Political oppression, if you can even call it that, does not constitute human rights violations. To be fair though, this only applies to Russia, as I was not in China long enough to get to know the average person and Mexico was only a vacation in the 'rich' tourist areas. Although if you wonder far enough inland in Mexico and find a bartender with some good stories...
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-31 05:09:11  
Good job ignoring the article.

And my original post to the article.

17 European nations abstained from voting.
Canada boycotted the vote entirely.
The US clearly voted "No"
Russia, China, Brazil, Mexico, Latin American countries, and most of Africa, all of which have clear records of governmental oppression of it's peoples, voted Yes.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-31 05:12:35  
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Political oppression, if you can even call it that, does not constitute human rights violations. To be fair though, this only applies to Russia, as I was not in China long enough to get to know the average person and Mexico was only a vacation in the 'rich' tourist areas. Although if you wonder far enough inland in Mexico and find a bartender with some good stories...

Political Oppression gets redirected as Political Repression:

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Political repression is the persecution of an individual or group for political reasons, particularly for the purpose of restricting or preventing their ability to take part in the political life of a society.[1][2]

Political repression is sometimes used synonymously with the term political discrimination (also known as politicism). It often is manifested through discriminatory policies, such as human rights violations, surveillance abuse, police brutality, imprisonment, involuntary settlement, stripping of citizen's rights, lustration and violent action or terror such as the murder, summary executions, torture, forced disappearance and other extrajudicial punishment of political activists, dissidents, or general population.[3]

Where political repression is sanctioned and organised by the state, it may constitute state terrorism, genocide, politicide or crimes against humanity. Systemic and violent political repression is a typical feature of dictatorships, totalitarian states and similar regimes.[4] Acts of political repression may be carried out by secret police forces, army, paramilitary groups or death squads. Repressive activities have also been found within democratic contexts as well.[5][6] This can even include setting up situations where the death of the target of repression is the end result[7]

If political repression is not carried out with the approval of the state, a section of government may still be responsible. An example is the FBI COINTELPRO operations in the United States between 1956 and 1971.[8][9]

In some states, "repression" can be an official term used in legislation or the names of government institutions. For example, the Soviet Union had a legal policy of repression of political opposition defined in the penal code and Cuba under Fulgencio Batista had a secret police agency officially named the "Bureau for the Repression of Communist Activities."
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-07-31 05:17:36  
Here is the Vote:



The truth is: country really close to the US(Europe/Japan) or being helped by the US didn't want to disagree with them so they didn't vote, If Israel was really the good guy in this story those country would have 100% voted no.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-07-31 05:18:36  
I love it when the discussion resorts to copying and pasting wiki articles where the [#'s] are left in.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-31 05:21:03  
The thing is, it's still accurate.
And used as a launching point, that isn't actually disputed by anyone.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-07-31 05:22:48  
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Here is the Vote:



The truth is: country really close to the US(Europe/Japan) or being helped by the US didn't want to disagree with them so they didn't vote, If Israel was really the good guy in this story those country would have 100% voted no.
Don't you know the 'world' is only US/Europe and Japan?


If you don't agree with or support benign, counterproductive, or hypocritical U.S. policy you're not apart of the world.
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2014-07-31 05:25:10  
While political oppression doesn't constitute human right violations, human right violations are often used as a means of political oppression. According to reports by Amnesty International, china has over 500,000 people in "black jails", prisons used to hold political dissidents, where they are held indefinitely, with no trial in sight. Information about Tiananmen Square, as well as any form of remembrance of it is strictly forbidden.
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By Bismarck.Leneth 2014-07-31 05:28:35  
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Canada boycotted the vote entirely.
Canada didn't boycott, they simply have no seat currently.

Also there are statements why european countries didn't vote yes or no. They didn't vote yes because the resolution is too onesided against Israel, ignoring the crimes of Hamas. They didn't vote no because they view some actions by Israel worth to be investigated.

As for the Human rights councils reputation: even Ban Ki-moon say it doesn't fulfill it's role due to block voting.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-31 05:30:21  
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Here is the Vote:



The truth is: country really close to the US(Europe/Japan) or being helped by the US didn't want to disagree with them so they didn't vote, If Israel was really the good guy in this story those country would have 100% voted no.
Right, because those countries with the same, or more human rights violations and crimes against humanity, that share much of the same *** up morals, where it's ok to kill any kind of dissenting voice, or imprison them, or strip them of their rights as human beings, would really vote with the US.

Hell, the Philippines loves the US, and still voted "yes", so there goes that theory..

Mexico is really close to the US, and part of the "Americas" that you have chastised for being on the same landmass, and generalized as thinking the same way.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-31 05:32:34  
Bismarck.Leneth said: »
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Canada boycotted the vote entirely.
Canada didn't boycott, they simply have no seat currently.

Also there are statements why european countries didn't vote yes or no. They didn't vote yes because the resolution is too onesided against Israel, ignoring the crimes of Hamas. They didn't vote no because they view some actions by Israel worth to be investigated.

As for the Human rights councils reputation: even Ban Ki-moon say it doesn't fulfill it's role due to block voting.
I was going by the information in the article Chaos posted, which stated that Canada boycotted the vote.
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2014-07-31 05:32:37  
On a different note, I think Hamas is trolling Israel hard, and doing it successfully. They attack Israel while hiding amongst civilians, and Israel counter attacks, like the angry fist of God, leveling whole neighborhoods. The world looks on like a group of angry parents and says "No Israel, don't hit your stupid *** weak cousin", while the US hands them a sucker and wiffleball bat.
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By Bismarck.Leneth 2014-07-31 05:43:39  
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On a different note, I think Hamas is trolling Israel hard, and doing it successfully.
It is not trolling because Israel's army knows what it does. They fire regardless of seeing civilians there.
It's the logic of war by both participants. Hamas urge the citizen to go on the roofs to serve as shield and the army shows them that this tactic will not prevent attacks.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-07-31 05:56:03  
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Jetackuu said: »
There's no genocide, and that has nothing to do with the point you were making, nice deflection, just admit you were wrong and move on.

Oh wait, there is an attempt at genocide, and it's from the people they are killing with the weapons we gave them, go US.
Genocide by any other name is still genocide.

How can you possible argue the people they are killing [Palestinians] are the ones committing genocide when they've been forced to live in modern day concentration camps known as the Gaza Strip and West Bank? They have very limited access to everything.

All terrorists activities on U.S. soil have been committed by citizens of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Chechnya, Pakistan, United States, and Indonesia. (Libya, Turkey, and Afghanistan are maybes, but not confirmed)

Thousands of dead Palestinians versus ~30 dead Israelis and you accuse the Palestinians of genocide? Wow.

Wow talk about ignorant...

If Israel wanted to commit genocide they could do so very easily, they currently have the firepower to level the entire Gaza strip and leave it a smoking ruin. If they were committing genocide then they would be killing the 1.7 million Muslim Arab Israeli citizens living inside Israel which currently constitutes about 20% of it's voting population. There are only approximately 1.6 million people in Gaza strip, all of them Arab Muslims which means there are more Palestinians Israeli citizens living in Israel then Palestinians living in Gaza strip.

The rest of your comment is utter ***, as bad as claiming the Holocaust didn't happen. The West Bank is not a ghetto, Gaza strip wasn't a ghetto until Hamas started launching rockets at Israeli schools, hospitals and apartments. And unlike Hamas Israel doesn't hide it's military facilities under civilian buildings full of children. And maybe if Iran would put funding towards Palestinian communities instead of towards weapons and supplies for Hamas then maybe they would see a standard of living more equatable to what the Israeli's enjoy in their first world Israeli funded communities.

Seriously learn the f*cking difference between the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza strip. Learn what Area's A, B and C are, and learn the difference between Palestinian Authority administrative control and Israeli administrative control. I realize there are many here who are antisemitics here but the level of raw ignorance being passed around is appalling. It's almost as though you expect Israel to take money from it's own tax payers and use it to build Palestinian communities.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-07-31 05:57:37  
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Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
On a different note, I think Hamas is trolling Israel hard, and doing it successfully.
It is not trolling because Israel's army knows what it does. They fire regardless of seeing civilians there.
It's the logic of war by both participants. Hamas urge the citizen to go on the roofs to serve as shield and the army shows them that this tactic will not prevent attacks.

It's worse then that. Hamas sends them up there, then sits on another roof with a camera filming it. Those are propaganda films that you are seeing on the web. The filmers knew those women and children were going to die, they sent them to their deaths to produce that propaganda.

People need to think about that long and hard. They are defending the actions of people who knowingly send women and children to die so that they can make propaganda movies.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-07-31 06:05:57  
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Asura.Ccl said: »
Here is the Vote:



The truth is: country really close to the US(Europe/Japan) or being helped by the US didn't want to disagree with them so they didn't vote, If Israel was really the good guy in this story those country would have 100% voted no.
Right, because those countries with the same, or more human rights violations and crimes against humanity, that share much of the same *** up morals, where it's ok to kill any kind of dissenting voice, or imprison them, or strip them of their rights as human beings, would really vote with the US.

Hell, the Philippines loves the US, and still voted "yes", so there goes that theory..

Mexico is really close to the US, and part of the "Americas" that you have chastised for being on the same landmass, and generalized as thinking the same way.


You really think North America and Europe are the good guys are the rest evil right ? Why did the US attack Iraq again if they are such good guys and the rest of the world are just *** oppressing government ?

Did you guys not learn anything about the 2009 report about the same conflict ?
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-07-31 06:06:03  
And for those of you still too dense to understand that most Israeli's and Palestinians are of the same genetic descent and think that there was a separate and distinct "Palestinian People" prior to the Mandate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people

Kinda hard to commit "genocide" on people of your own ethnicity.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-07-31 06:07:52  
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And for those of you still too dense to understand that most Israeli's and Palestinians are of the same genetic descent and think that there was a separate and distinct "Palestinian People" prior to the Mandate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people

Kinda hard to commit "genocide" on people of your own ethnicity.

My issue with this, is that the Zionist in Israel after 1948 aren't local/don't care about local, they are EU/all around the world people that went there and didn't care about locals. Those people did live in Eu for centuries.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-31 06:08:49  
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
Asura.Ccl said: »
Here is the Vote:



The truth is: country really close to the US(Europe/Japan) or being helped by the US didn't want to disagree with them so they didn't vote, If Israel was really the good guy in this story those country would have 100% voted no.
Right, because those countries with the same, or more human rights violations and crimes against humanity, that share much of the same *** up morals, where it's ok to kill any kind of dissenting voice, or imprison them, or strip them of their rights as human beings, would really vote with the US.

Hell, the Philippines loves the US, and still voted "yes", so there goes that theory..

Mexico is really close to the US, and part of the "Americas" that you have chastised for being on the same landmass, and generalized as thinking the same way.


You really think North America and Europe are the good guys are the rest evil right ? Why did the US attack Iraq again if they are such good guys and the rest of the world are just *** oppressing government ?

Did you guys not learn anything about the 2009 report about the same conflict ?
Wow you are completely *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. Canada (which is a country located in North America) boycotted the US led War on Terrorism in Iraq. The US was pissed with us on that one.

And way to infer something that, once again, was never implied. The Hamas have you trained well, son. Way to ignore global history like a champ.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-07-31 06:10:06  
Go read the 2009 report wich I agree with and come back to me.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-31 06:10:27  
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Lakshmi.Saevel said: »
And for those of you still too dense to understand that most Israeli's and Palestinians are of the same genetic descent and think that there was a separate and distinct "Palestinian People" prior to the Mandate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people

Kinda hard to commit "genocide" on people of your own ethnicity.

My issue with this, is that the Zionist in Israel after 1948 aren't local/don't care about local, they are EU/all around the world people that went there and didn't care about locals. Those people did live in Eu for centuries.
The same can be said of Palestinians after 1921.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-31 06:14:50  
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Go read the 2009 report wich I agree with and come back to me.
I read the 2009 report, and it's intentionally leaving out a lot of information. Paragraphs go on into absolute nothingness, pertinent information is omitted from the report about Hamas using foreign aid money meant for hospitals and restructuring of decimated areas.

There's absolutely nothing in that report about Hamas perpetrating acts of human rights violations, international war crimes, etc. against Israelis and it's own Palestinian peoples.

And you still agree with a report by a UN, that in 2014, is currently supporting known terrorist groups, has countries that have a laundry list of political repression and human rights violations of their own, to which the UN has chosen not to address in any way, and focuses entirely on the biased support of said countries.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-07-31 06:18:44  
I'm sorry but yes I support a UN report made by investigator; the report say BOTH SIDE commited war crime; wich is true, and if there is another investigation, the same conclusion will come out.

If there is an UN investigation after this conflict saying Israel was acting in good faith after this conflict, I will believe it.

Call me naive if you want, but if I can't believe in UN investigation, what can I believe in to know the truth worldwide ?
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-31 06:24:05  
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I'm sorry but yes I support a UN report made by investigator; the report say BOTH SIDE commited war crime; wich is true, and if there is another investigation, the same conclusion will come out.

If there is an UN investigation after this conflict saying Israel was acting in good faith after this conflict, I will believe it.

Call me naive if you want, but if I can't believe in UN investigation, what can I believe in to know the truth worldwide ?
Well for starters, you could question the documents being presented, and place it under closer scrutiny for omissions and reporting errors, clear bias, etc. as well as looking at the countries supporting a particular vote, and the most likely reasons to do so.

If you can't believe in your own ability to decipher the information presented, and/or question it objectively, that would be naïve.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-31 06:30:31  
Now, let's get back to a derailment topic, so we can hit page 50, close this thread, and then start a new one in a week, that will ultimately have the same result, with hopes that a debate doesn't devolve into personal attacks and harmful, ignorant, blanket statements by both sides.
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By Asura.Ccl 2014-07-31 06:35:52  
Honestly I knox France government is 100% Pro Israel/Biasd(our prime ministed said he is eternally linked to Israel) It surprise me they didn't vote no. ( You can't protest on the street in favor of palestine but you can in favor of Israel how *** is that ?)

I know Morrocco has always been a land that welcome jew and maintain good relation with Israel when there is no war there like there is right now.

But honestly, why would you vote NO(or not voting) for an investigation that would prove your allies/friends/w/e you wanna call them acted in good faith?
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