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By Bismarck.Dubai 2014-08-05 22:15:38
For what it's worth, I actually watched the video...not sure everyone did if they were responding to a 10-minute video less than 10 minutes after you posted it.
All I can say is that he's taking some liberties with scientific and historical facts and also just sort of assuming things to be as he himself was taught.
That said, while he's not proved anything, and while I feel he's wrong, he's still a very engaging fellow and I sort of enjoyed watching it, even if I don't believe in what he's saying.
I enjoy non-confrontational people of any belief system who can be civil.
It's probably why I still love my long-time friend and brother-in-law, even if he's turned into a boring, somewhat rhetorical Methodist minister. ._.;
Edit: That said, one simple thing that's wrong about his video is that there were cultures who knew the world was round long, long, LONG before the 1400s. Hell, even illiterate sailors from Europe who had been out to sea long enough to watch a sunset from various places understood the curvature of the Earth.
How has he not given you facts when he DID give you facts? I'm sorry but your just being stubborn at this point.
And about your Edit; It's funny how you "believe" what you have stated in your "Edit", yet when I explain to you the true Islamic believe providing facts and evidence that is known worldwide by scientists,etc.. you completely ignore it. Anyways no point in continuing to discuss this anymore.
"Seek the Truth and the truth shall free you."
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-08-05 22:16:21
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-08-05 22:22:36
Depends on what you define as a creator. I create a couple things, usually twelve plus hours after a meal. Am I God? Or do I just have a healthy colon? I'll leave that debate to future generations.
But if you believe there is an Original creator, you cannot prove it. The most you can do is assume a series of assumptions are true. We were talking about Occam's razor a little while ago, and if you're unfamiliar with the term, it basically means that which relies on the least assumptions is usually true. Just in the realm of religion alone, you have to believe that 60,000+ Individual interpretations are all false, and that you chose the one truth, some people would rather buy the lottery ticket for a 1:60,000 payoff, I'd rather invest in a future.
In terms of an original creator, you have to assume that there needed to be a creator, and that the creator didn't need a creator. As Carl Sagan would say, why not save a step? Assume everything didn't need a creator, neither assumption has any more or any less validity or evidence.
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »So Dubai, you've reall all 43+ versions of the Holy Bible, written over the course of 1500+ years?
Yeeeeeeeeeep. I got my masters in Comparative Religion.
Normally I flay people who cite credentials as an argument (Appeal to Authority fallacy, self edition), but since it's a directly relevant response and not used as a form of argumentative evidence, you get a pass.
I understand and completely respect your argument. "If I created something does that make me a god?!" - No that makes you a "Creator", similarly we humans as well as the entire universe,etc.. has a "Creator".
"In terms of an original creator, you have to assume that there needed to be a creator, and that the creator didn't need a creator."
On your way to work in the morning, on a bright sunny day, try staring at the sun.
Well, if your argument is Physics is god, then sure. That's certainly the most enlightened religion I've ever heard of.
Chant of the Fundamental Four said: "All hail the four forces. Electromagnetic, that which is innumerable in interaction. Strong Nuclear, that which holds nuclei together, Weak Nuclear Force, that which is both decay and fusion, and Hail Gravitation, that which attracts the bodies of mass together.
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By fonewear 2014-08-05 22:22:37
So we hit 100 and no peace in the Middle East I want a refund.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-08-05 22:24:00
Congratulations, ladies and gentlemen, upon reaching page 100, we have brought possible peace to the Middle East.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-08-05 22:26:08
There was supposedly another 72 hour ceasefire declared today, at 8:00AM local time in Gaza/Israel.
At least when I read the paper this morning.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-08-05 22:29:04
We were talking about Occam's razor a little while ago, and if you're unfamiliar with the term, it basically means that which relies on the least assumptions is usually true.
That's not what Occam's Razor means, Zic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
"It states that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected."
I leave it up to people who's fulltime job isn't to camp my posts with a vindictive nature to determine if I used the term incorrectly in context.
You do know what a hypothesis is, right?
Ah, the old semantic backpedaling. That doesn't expose the hollowness of your argument at all!
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »There was supposedly another 72 hour ceasefire declared today, at 8:00AM local time in Gaza/Israel.
At least when I read the paper this morning.
Get your stupid unrelated posts out of this thread.
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By Bismarck.Dubai 2014-08-05 22:30:21
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »There was supposedly another 72 hour ceasefire declared today, at 8:00AM local time in Gaza/Israel.
At least when I read the paper this morning.
I read that too, I read in other sources that the ceasefire was caused by the Saudi Arabian King, which means no more oil if this continues, which I doubt.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-08-05 22:32:33
in about another 1000 years, the world will finally be unified under the Invisible man in the sky eating the flying spaghetti monster, while watching reruns of "EARTH!", before we carpet bomb ourselves, for disbelieving in ourselves and our unified faith, and then, and only then, from the rubble, we'll become EARTHICANS!
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-05 22:32:46
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »There was supposedly another 72 hour ceasefire declared today, at 8:00AM local time in Gaza/Israel.
At least when I read the paper this morning.
All I know is I'm not betting on the "over" this time.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-08-05 22:33:49
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »There was supposedly another 72 hour ceasefire declared today, at 8:00AM local time in Gaza/Israel.
At least when I read the paper this morning.
I read that too, I read in other sources that the ceasefire was caused by the Saudi Arabian King, which means no more oil if this continues, which I doubt. Didn't read about a decree by the Saudi Arabian King.
Perhaps it was his Grand Vizier, Jafahr (sp?) from the movie Aladdin.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-08-05 22:34:18
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »There was supposedly another 72 hour ceasefire declared today, at 8:00AM local time in Gaza/Israel.
At least when I read the paper this morning.
All I know is I'm not betting on the "over" this time. Never bet against the odds. Always with them.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-05 22:38:59
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »There was supposedly another 72 hour ceasefire declared today, at 8:00AM local time in Gaza/Israel.
At least when I read the paper this morning.
All I know is I'm not betting on the "over" this time. Never bet against the odds. Always with them.
I thought it was "always bet on black".
Dammit, I'll never get the hang of horse racing.
/pout
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By Enuyasha 2014-08-05 22:40:13
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »There was supposedly another 72 hour ceasefire declared today, at 8:00AM local time in Gaza/Israel.
At least when I read the paper this morning.
I read that too, I read in other sources that the ceasefire was caused by the Saudi Arabian King, which means no more oil if this continues, which I doubt. Didn't read about a decree by the Saudi Arabian King.
Perhaps it was his Grand Vizier, Jafahr (sp?) from the movie Aladdin. 
Dear god i should really look at these pictures before i blatantly copypasta them from google search...
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By Enuyasha 2014-08-05 22:59:29
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »There was supposedly another 72 hour ceasefire declared today, at 8:00AM local time in Gaza/Israel.
At least when I read the paper this morning.
All I know is I'm not betting on the "over" this time. Never bet against the odds. Always with them.
I thought it was "always bet on black".
Dammit, I'll never get the hang of horse racing.
/pout 
By Enuyasha 2014-08-05 23:03:52
also relevant
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-05 23:27:10
So, 100 pages, and we have yet to prove that God does or does not exist?
I'll just leave this here
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By Fenrir.Schutz 2014-08-05 23:27:57
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »There was supposedly another 72 hour ceasefire declared today, at 8:00AM local time in Gaza/Israel.
At least when I read the paper this morning.
Did all the signing-in work? Thank you, Internet! ^^
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-08-06 00:13:03
So, 100 pages, and we have yet to prove that God does or does not exist?
Nope. Nice try with the pic though.
By Hexcantwalk 2014-08-06 00:42:18
We were talking about Occam's razor a little while ago, and if you're unfamiliar with the term, it basically means that which relies on the least assumptions is usually true.
That's not what Occam's Razor means, Zic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
"It states that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected."
I leave it up to people who's fulltime job isn't to camp my posts with a vindictive nature to determine if I used the term incorrectly in context.
Anyone without a personal grudge think I used the term unfairly?
I think you've used that Avatar long enough and you should at least use a different Venture Brothers character.
I'm actually not sure how to change it, I can only change my other handle's (This one I'm posting under) avatar. I actually have a load of Venture Brothers avatars that I *** around with on the BioWare and Bethesda forums too.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-08-06 00:58:56
So we hit 100 and no peace in the Middle East I want a refund. Not everyone signed on for peace.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-08-06 03:57:36
Can someone give me a breakdown of what those videos on previous page talked about(whether disagreeable or not)? I just honestly couldn't understand a word.
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By Bismarck.Dubai 2014-08-06 05:46:09
So, 100 pages, and we have yet to prove that God does or does not exist?
I'll just leave this here
It's called having "Free Will".
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-06 07:09:58
So, 100 pages, and we have yet to prove that God does or does not exist?
Nope. Nice try with the pic though. It was worth a shot.
It's called having "Free Will". For a race proud of having "free will," it seems like they can be swayed by anything. Like religion for example....
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-06 07:17:34
So, 100 pages, and we have yet to prove that God does or does not exist?
Nope. Nice try with the pic though. It was worth a shot.
It's called having "Free Will". For a race proud of having "free will," it seems like they can be swayed by anything. Like religion for example....
Allowing religion to tell you not to do things you'd like to do that are otherwise enjoyable or beneficial sounds a lot like the opposite of free will to me.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-06 07:18:52
So, 100 pages, and we have yet to prove that God does or does not exist?
Nope. Nice try with the pic though. It was worth a shot.
It's called having "Free Will". For a race proud of having "free will," it seems like they can be swayed by anything. Like religion for example....
Allowing religion to tell you not to do things you'd like to do that are otherwise enjoyable or beneficial sounds a lot like the opposite of free will to me. That's the joke too! "Sure, we will give you this thing called 'free will' as long as you blindly follow everything I ever tell you for the rest of your life, and you teach your children to blindly follow everything I ever tell you for the rest of their lives, and so on"
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-06 07:20:26
Can someone give me a breakdown of what those videos on previous page talked about(whether disagreeable or not)? I just honestly couldn't understand a word.
The one Dubai posted is of a well-meaning, well-spoken, gentleman explaining how the Quran, in fact, is so packed with "facts" of the universe that it should sway atheists to believe in his beliefs, because it clearly stated things 1400 years ago that weren't "discovered" by mankind until a century later.
I actually find him quite engaging, just sadly misguided.
And I still don't get what's so hard to understand about his English.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-06 07:24:24
So, 100 pages, and we have yet to prove that God does or does not exist?
Nope. Nice try with the pic though. It was worth a shot.
It's called having "Free Will". For a race proud of having "free will," it seems like they can be swayed by anything. Like religion for example....
Allowing religion to tell you not to do things you'd like to do that are otherwise enjoyable or beneficial sounds a lot like the opposite of free will to me. That's the joke too! "Sure, we will give you this thing called 'free will' as long as you blindly follow everything I ever tell you for the rest of your life, and you teach your children to blindly follow everything I ever tell you for the rest of their lives, and so on"
Yeah...
...not laughing. Not a very good joke. 0/10, wouldn't reccomend.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-08-06 07:28:39
Free will is a myth anyway.
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