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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-18 12:14:25  
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Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Original question from the post that started this all:
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I don't understand why people need "God" to be moral or "not scumbangs."
Personal responsibility.

Humans in general lack that, and would like to attribute good and bad to an outside force. Usually attribute bad outside than good.

For example: If you *** up, it's the other guys fault. If I do well, it's because I'm awesome like that, except when I *** up, then it's Bush's fault.
Can't someone else do it?
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-06-18 12:14:47  
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You don't know what I'm doing as your clearly delusional at this point if you think that's what I'm doing.

I answered your question. You refuse to even acknowledge that much lol...

What's so hard to understand about the concept? What's so hard to understand about why some people believe that? Simple human nature we're talking about here...

What truth have you pointed out? That you follow the almighty hitchens? That you need a crutch like others do? That you'll use anything you can to smear someone else while ignoring the quite obvious truths around you?

You haven't really even said anything in many of your posts other than to tell me I've been dumb or to point out "What I'm really doing" and how you're "above that" or to tell me that "I have ingored the original intention of your post"

Have fun with all the hate you have for the religious... I'm sure it will serve you well :)


Presumptuous windbag is presumptuous. Hate for Religion is not the same as hate for the religious. But should I be surprised that you can't grasp the intricacies of the English Language?

As for Reverence and "Crutch" of Christopher Hitchens, a lot of hard-right conservatives quote Adolf Hitler (accidentally) usually in regard to strong national defense, does that mean they have reverence for him?[strawman level 9001 I know] If you have a problem with other people quoting other people, best have your larynx extracted now, because ever sound you push out of your cockholster is just another person's words anyway. Been that way since Shakespeare.

Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Original question from the post that started this all:
Odin.Zicdeh said: »
I don't understand why people need "God" to be moral or "not scumbangs."
Personal responsibility.

Humans in general lack that, and would like to attribute good and bad to an outside force. Usually attribute bad outside than good.

For example: If you *** up, it's the other guys fault. If I do well, it's because I'm awesome like that, except when I *** up, then it's Bush's fault.

See, this is what I think but I really want to hear a personal story of someone who has had to make that call. Why am I so adamant on this?


Leviathan.Auuin said: »
I am a christian, a conservative one at that, and i do believe that a stong moral compass in our leaders is essential for the success or our country. I can only speak for myself, but I am a lot less of a scumbag since i have become a christian. (still have a lot of scumbaggery that i'm working through.) XD That being said...the idea that someone would pass a law basically saying that you CANT be a good or moral person, or even an effective leader, unless you believe in God... is INSANE. Some of my most kind and moral friends are athiests/agnostic. Most of them would make great public servants.

Someone here has that experience, I assume others do as well. Am I naive for not assuming it's as simple as "Carroty&Stick" psychology, or just a dodge of personal accountability?
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By fonewear 2014-06-18 12:21:03  
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Odin.Zicdeh said: »
Original question from the post that started this all:
Odin.Zicdeh said: »
I don't understand why people need "God" to be moral or "not scumbangs."
Personal responsibility.

Humans in general lack that, and would like to attribute good and bad to an outside force. Usually attribute bad outside than good.

For example: If you *** up, it's the other guys fault. If I do well, it's because I'm awesome like that, except when I *** up, then it's Bush's fault.
Can't someone else do it?

And can't someone else take out my garbage !

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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-06-18 13:03:58  
Like usual not much to say except for to attack little things and move on like you're somehow right about everything...
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-18 13:09:31  
Everybody thinks they're right. Self esteem run amok.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-06-18 13:30:11  
Odin.Zicdeh said: »
See, this is what I think but I really want to hear a personal story of someone who has had to make that call. Why am I so adamant on this?
It would go against human nature though, to place blame fully on oneself.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-06-18 13:30:39  
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Everybody thinks they're right. Self esteem run amok.

You're wrong, now let me tell you the truth of it and enlighten you because it's my mission.

Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Like usual not much to say except for to attack little things and move on like you're somehow right about everything...

"Moving On" as defined by Flavin: Waiting for the initial point to be addressed.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-06-18 14:51:13  
And you felt like you could criticize my comprehension of the intracacies of the english language? lol...

I addressed your initial point with my original response... and then again 2 more times... which you chose to ignore every time and then attack something irrelevant instead lol...

Glad you think so highly of yourself though...
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-06-18 15:09:43  
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And you felt like you could criticize my comprehension of the intracacies of the english language? lol...

I addressed your initial point with my original response... and then again 2 more times... which you chose to ignore every time and then attack something irrelevant instead lol...

Glad you think so highly of yourself though...


None of your responses answered the question of what makes "God" the answer. "Some people need it, some people need to destroy it" isn't an answer, It's noncommittal ***.

Like, I don't need "God" to be a good, moral person because I have a sense of empathy and personal accountability.

Do you see the difference in the quality of the response? Kingnobody understood what I was trying to ascertain, so I don't think the fault is with my words.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-06-18 15:12:28  
inb4: "Well, Kingnobody is an idiot" or something like that.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-18 18:11:13  
God really is female. It has to be. The only thing that makes sense.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-06-18 18:26:07  
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inb4: "Well, Kingnobody is an idiot" or something like that.
Haha they run out of things to argue with and end up resorting to personal attacks. Notice there was zero attention given to holding individual people accountable for the whole "forced to lie about religion". No it "MUST" be a "social problem" that needs "attention" typically in the form of legislation and/or money.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-06-18 18:34:14  
Lakshmi.Saevel said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
inb4: "Well, Kingnobody is an idiot" or something like that.
Haha they run out of things to argue with and end up resorting to personal attacks. Notice there was zero attention given to holding individual people accountable for the whole "forced to lie about religion". No it "MUST" be a "social problem" that needs "attention" typically in the form of legislation and/or money.

Since I've been the driving force behind that particular argument here (that is, the societal trend of focusing on Christianity), I can only assume you're speaking of me.

But this is one of the few threads (there have been a few, believe it or not!) which KN and I are in agreement. So why would I resort to calling him an idiot?

Also, I don't think this needs any legislation or money. Only lack thereof to support religion. Which should actually appeal to libertarians nationwide, if they practice what they preach. Though Tea Party libertarians would be ***out of luck, because they're not actually what they say they are.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-06-18 18:53:16  
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Lakshmi.Saevel said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
inb4: "Well, Kingnobody is an idiot" or something like that.
Haha they run out of things to argue with and end up resorting to personal attacks. Notice there was zero attention given to holding individual people accountable for the whole "forced to lie about religion". No it "MUST" be a "social problem" that needs "attention" typically in the form of legislation and/or money.

Since I've been the driving force behind that particular argument here (that is, the societal trend of focusing on Christianity), I can only assume you're speaking of me.

But this is one of the few threads (there have been a few, believe it or not!) which KN and I are in agreement. So why would I resort to calling him an idiot?

Also, I don't think this needs any legislation or money. Only lack thereof to support religion. Which should actually appeal to libertarians nationwide, if they practice what they preach. Though Tea Party libertarians would be ***out of luck, because they're not actually what they say they are.

Classic Saevel just reading what he wanted to read and making inferences based on insufficient data.

We're all guilty of that on occasion though, can't cry foul too much.

If I had to guess, Saevel probably assumed everyone was ganging up on KN and was looking to come to the rescue, when in fact the pissing contest for the past 3 or so pages has been just between Flavin and I, going nowhere at record speed.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-18 18:54:51  
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By fonewear 2014-06-18 19:13:01  
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God really is female. It has to be. The only thing that makes sense.

So Hillary Clinton is God ?
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-06-18 19:17:57  
fonewear said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
God really is female. It has to be. The only thing that makes sense.

So Hillary Clinton is God ?

To millions of Democrats in 2016, I'd imagine so.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-06-18 19:24:19  
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
God really is female. It has to be. The only thing that makes sense.

So Hillary Clinton is God ?

Even if her policy were perfect, she's not nearly Rubenesque enough to earn my worship. I'm not about objectifying women, but hey. Women are mortals. If it's a god, she's got to be held to higher standard.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2014-06-18 19:25:19  
"God" is a derivation of human pattern-finding. Curiosity demands we explain things that we aren't currently capable of explaining, and though the current ideology of "We don't know and that's okay." flies now (for some), it didn't back in the day. Understanding death, our perception, and our perception while modified by hallucinations/mental illness, and a mass of other interpretations and feelings ultimately lead to logic structures that would now be termed supernatural. Religion followed suit, as humans are a species of communication and sharing for survival.

Why do people need a god or religion to feel like they are moral? Because humans desire: A. confirmation and B. justified actions of good and bad; to feel like doing the right thing in a world that doesn't give a *** will pay off (even if it doesn't in the corporeal world) or that unjust actions will be punished. It's essentially a world-view where assignment of blame is determined and explained, so you don't have to. This doesn't apply to most of the non-skygod religions though.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-06-18 19:31:43  
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...-skygod religions though.


Was always a Suzaku fan myself. Shadowbind chainspell!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-18 21:40:56  
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...-skygod religions though.


Was always a Suzaku fan myself. Shadowbind chainspell!
Kirin is your god now!

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By Cerberus.Tikal 2014-06-18 21:42:07  
Kirin is the one true God! Qilin is a false idol!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-18 21:42:51  
fonewear said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
God really is female. It has to be. The only thing that makes sense.

So Hillary Clinton is God ?
I'd go with Gaia.

Hilliary is just a stooge.
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By Triffle 2014-06-18 22:48:46  
All glory to the Hypno-toad...

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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-06-18 23:20:57  
That meme is way overused. It's not even funny any---ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-06-18 23:49:29  
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What, no grand secession fantasies? Civil War II?

Also, I hope you're ready to give up all the major cities in this game of Red v. Blue.

Hey I still think CA should secede from the US! I think that would make everyone happy!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-19 06:18:56  
Now that we're on the subject of Hilliary Clinton and comfortable liberal lies, now is the time to bring up the story of Vince Foster.

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Whitewater was later seen as symptomatic of the culture that existed in Arkansas during Bill's governorship, when the Clintons' connections helped them to enrich themselves.

For example, to augment her $110,000 salary, Hillary had earned large sums from seats on local corporate boards, including Wal-Mart.

One company chairman explained Hillary's presence on his board as "making sure he was in good grace with the people in power."

In that atmosphere, Bill and Hillary developed a sense of entitlement, borrowing from banks operated by political friends and accepting favours from individuals and corporations, such as the free use of private planes.

Was some of this weighing on Vince Foster's mind when he became both White House deputy counsel and attorney for both Bill and Hillary? What is certain is that he was unsettled by the First Lady's increasingly uncompromising demands.

In March 1993, he told a colleague that she had "snapped at him" - a rebuke that "hurt him deeply."

It was clear that Foster was having difficulty being ordered around by the woman who had recently been his equal.

One of his first jobs in the White House was to try to make sense of the Clintons' false tax returns concerning the Whitewater land investment. A note in his hand-writing, found much later, warned that Whitewater was "a can of worms you shouldn't open."

Another "can of worms" that landed on his desk concerned the collapse of a bank called Madison Guaranty. To his consternation, allegations were being made that funds from the bank had been illegally diverted to Bill Clinton's campaign for governor in the mid-Eighties - and that Bill and Hillary had intervened with state regulators to help keep the bank solvent.

Foster was also fretting over the "excessive" sums Hillary was lavishing on redecoration of the White House.

In the end, though, it was the firing of seven staff - following pressure from the imperious First Lady - that "drove Vince batty," according to White House counsel Bernie Nussbaum.

Hillary had become convinced that the staff in the travel office that served the White House press corps were guilty of "financial mismanagement and waste." Foster was asked to help get rid of them.

In a meeting with him on May 13, 1993, Hillary asked him if he was "on top of" the travel office situation. He assured her that his team was working on it.

Afterwards, Foster noted that Hillary's mood was "general impatience ... general frustration."

Other White House aides later confirmed that she wanted her own "people" in the office, and that everyone felt "there would be hell to pay" if her wishes were defied.

On May 19, the travel office's seven employees were fired - and there was immediate uproar. Allegations of cronyism hit the headlines when it emerged that a distant cousin of Bill was to be put in charge of the office, while a friend of a friend was being promoted to take over some of the White House's air-charter business.

Worse still, none of the charges against the original travel office employees stood up, and their precipitous dismissals became a damaging test of Hillary's honesty.

This break intentionally put in.

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At the time, Vince Foster felt deeply responsible for the imbroglio and was worried that Congress might investigate. White House aide David Watkins remembers Foster saying to him "My God, what have we done?" and expressing concern that Hillary's role in the firings would come to light.

He urged Watkins to protect "the client" at all costs.

Foster knew that in shielding Hillary, he might have to mislead congressional investigators under oath - a grim prospect for a man who took pride in being a straight arrow.

By mid-July, he had lost more than a stone in weight and seemed unusually subdued. He twice told his wife that he felt under pressure and was thinking of returning to Arkansas.

Talking to a colleague about his dealings with Hillary, he said: "It's not the same." On one matter after another, he confided, she would bark "Fix it, Vince!" or "Handle it, Vince!" and leave him to pick up the pieces.

On July 16, Foster and his wife drove to an inn in Maryland for the weekend. At dinner that night, Foster cried when Lisa asked him "if he felt trapped." Three days later, he called his doctor, who gave him a prescription for the antidepressant Desyrel.

The following night, July 20, he was found dead.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-06-19 07:28:06  
The Daily Mail is a tabloid. Not quite on the level with "transgendered bat baby born to Satanic midwestern couple", but not above sensationalism and fact bending (...yes, beyond the regularly-attacked Fox vs. HuffPo vs. whatever media we regularly mock around here).

Not to say that this isn't entirely accurate, either. It's just hard to tell with them sometimes as the lines are awfully blurry with TDM.

Obviously there are some things that are factually accurate here (Hilldawg certainly got some big bucks from the Evil Empire (aka: Walmart)), but the personal interest element is a bit of a grey area.
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By fonewear 2014-06-19 07:29:52  
How dare you speak ill of my beloved Huff Post.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-06-19 07:50:09  
fonewear said: »
How dare you speak ill of my beloved Huff Post.

Ugh.

Even when I agree with them I wish they'd shut up about it already.
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