That's a big difference. Yes, I admit that some people in NFP organizations really reap the rewards of that status, I've even been partially guilty of that myself (as being a better paying organization than others in the area).
That being said: I find a difference in paying people well who do the work to make the place function and paying shareholders for the injuries of the sick.
In fact the "business" of the local hospital was down in regards to overnight stays, which is a great thing. Even if it damages the budget.
USA Ranks Last In Health Care - Again
USA Ranks Last In Health Care - Again
Jetackuu said: »
In fact the "business" of the local hospital was down in regards to overnight stays, which is a great thing. Even if it damages the budget.
They have Medclinics for that crap now.
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Jetackuu said: »
In fact the "business" of the local hospital was down in regards to overnight stays, which is a great thing. Even if it damages the budget.
They have Medclinics for that crap now.
Most ppl ive meet stopped using ER's because the price is so outrageous that its better to sit at home and just hope for the best
I'm confused and hope someone could explain it to me. Why does the US ranked low in healthcare compared to other countries? I always thought the quality of care was high.
Set the test to favor free healthcare for all and of course the result will be that the US will be last.
However just because they care isn't "free" doesn't mean we rank last in healthcare. This whole premise is flawed.
The quality of care is very high, we have the best. BUT since we expect people to pay for it themselves (and that's bad according to communists) we get low marx (c wut i did thar?).
However just because they care isn't "free" doesn't mean we rank last in healthcare. This whole premise is flawed.
The quality of care is very high, we have the best. BUT since we expect people to pay for it themselves (and that's bad according to communists) we get low marx (c wut i did thar?).
volkom said: »
I'm confused and hope someone could explain it to me. Why does the US ranked low in healthcare compared to other countries? I always thought the quality of care was high.
We have excellent services, but in order to rank US low, they would have to use factors such as personal responsibility and dietary choices.
It isn't the healthcare that is bad, it is people's health that is bad.
volkom said: »
I'm confused and hope someone could explain it to me. Why does the US ranked low in healthcare compared to other countries? I always thought the quality of care was high.
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=
I don't know therefore move to Canada it is the Coors Light of countries.
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
volkom said: »
I'm confused and hope someone could explain it to me. Why does the US ranked low in healthcare compared to other countries? I always thought the quality of care was high.
We have excellent services, but in order to rank US low, they would have to use factors such as personal responsibility and dietary choices.
It isn't the healthcare that is bad, it is people's health that is bad.
Sounds super lame that they would rank like that :/
I blame super sized soda pop. Did we ban that yet ?
volkom said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
volkom said: »
I'm confused and hope someone could explain it to me. Why does the US ranked low in healthcare compared to other countries? I always thought the quality of care was high.
We have excellent services, but in order to rank US low, they would have to use factors such as personal responsibility and dietary choices.
It isn't the healthcare that is bad, it is people's health that is bad.
Sounds super lame that they would rank like that :/
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
We have excellent services, but in order to rank US low, they would have to use factors such as personal responsibility and dietary choices.
It isn't the healthcare that is bad, it is people's health that is bad.
It isn't the healthcare that is bad, it is people's health that is bad.
Also, outside of personal responsibility, in the healthcare organization perspective, it's about accessibility. If you don't have money, you can't pay for healthcare. Wealthy people are correlated to good health and poor people are correlated with bad health. Caring for the poor is considered in these calculations and since equality is a factor in these reports, the US is relegated to score last to the worlds perspective of "fairness" because of our policy.
We also have inefficiencies in our healthcare system because of "defensive medicine", where doctors are taking more action than scientifically required/proven to ensure they don't encounter any lawsuits. As well as the public who believes that healthcare doesn't actually cost money- as evident as those posts a few weeks ago. This drives costs up. There's more to this, but we're spending way more than we really need to reach the same level of care.
Bismarck.Keityan said: »
Also, outside of personal responsibility, in the healthcare industry perspective, it's about accessibility. If you don't have money, you can't pay for healthcare.
It is against the law for people to be turned away from any hospital because of lack of payment. They wouldn't get the best care possible, but they would still get cared for on the taxpayer's dime.
Only thing that Obamacare did (besides pass a slew of taxes) was force people to buy health insurance so (in theory) the insurance would cover the costs of healthcare in America. But in the end it still is on the taxpayer's dime because those who can't afford the premiums get their premiums paid for by you and me.
If before a law passed the cost of something was on the government, and after the law passed the cost of something was still on the government, but through a third party who holds no burden of containing the cost, and charges any additional expenses of the burden to the government, then why pass the law in the first place?
All it creates is the exact same results (government paying for everything), but now you just made the third party richer (if their revenue exceeds cost, they keep it, but if costs exceed revenue, they just charge the government more to break even) by having this law in place.
And people are ok with that?
fonewear said: »
I don't know therefore move to Canada it is the Coors Light of countries.
God damn, man. You don't pull punches. I know at least 5 Canadians from my time in XI alone who would physically fight you for saying that. Sure Canadian beer is way overrated, but calling them Coors Light is low.
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
fonewear said: »
I don't know therefore move to Canada it is the Coors Light of countries.
God damn, man. You don't pull punches. I know at least 5 Canadians from my time in XI alone who would physically fight you for saying that. Sure Canadian beer is way overrated, but calling them Coors Light is low.
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
fonewear said: »
I don't know therefore move to Canada it is the Coors Light of countries.
God damn, man. You don't pull punches. I know at least 5 Canadians from my time in XI alone who would physically fight you for saying that. Sure Canadian beer is way overrated, but calling them Coors Light is low.
Bismarck.Keityan said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
We have excellent services, but in order to rank US low, they would have to use factors such as personal responsibility and dietary choices.
It isn't the healthcare that is bad, it is people's health that is bad.
It isn't the healthcare that is bad, it is people's health that is bad.
Also, outside of personal responsibility, in the healthcare organization perspective, it's about accessibility. If you don't have money, you can't pay for healthcare. Wealthy people are correlated to good health and poor people are correlated with bad health. Caring for the poor is considered in these calculations and since equality is a factor in these reports, the US is relegated to score last to the worlds perspective of "fairness" because of our policy.
We also have inefficiencies in our healthcare system because of "defensive medicine", where doctors are taking more action than scientifically required/proven to ensure they don't encounter any lawsuits. As well as the public who believes that healthcare doesn't actually cost money- as evident as those posts a few weeks ago. This drives costs up. There's more to this, but we're spending way more than we really need to reach the same level of care.
We live in a world where markets address this for almost every sector of our lives. There are phones for different incomes, cars for different incomes, food for different incomes, and so on etc. We're all ok with this until you get to healthcare and to some degree education, where we dive into denial and insist that everyone has a right to the best.
If you want the best healthcare, go earn it. Stop insisting that everyone else provide it for you.
Odin.Godofgods said: »
We're Last! Again! U.S. Health Care Ranks Poorly
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Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Bismarck.Keityan said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
We have excellent services, but in order to rank US low, they would have to use factors such as personal responsibility and dietary choices.
It isn't the healthcare that is bad, it is people's health that is bad.
It isn't the healthcare that is bad, it is people's health that is bad.
Also, outside of personal responsibility, in the healthcare organization perspective, it's about accessibility. If you don't have money, you can't pay for healthcare. Wealthy people are correlated to good health and poor people are correlated with bad health. Caring for the poor is considered in these calculations and since equality is a factor in these reports, the US is relegated to score last to the worlds perspective of "fairness" because of our policy.
We also have inefficiencies in our healthcare system because of "defensive medicine", where doctors are taking more action than scientifically required/proven to ensure they don't encounter any lawsuits. As well as the public who believes that healthcare doesn't actually cost money- as evident as those posts a few weeks ago. This drives costs up. There's more to this, but we're spending way more than we really need to reach the same level of care.
We live in a world where markets address this for almost every sector of our lives. There are phones for different incomes, cars for different incomes, food for different incomes, and so on etc. We're all ok with this until you get to healthcare and to some degree education, where we dive into denial and insist that everyone has a right to the best.
If you want the best healthcare, go earn it. Stop insisting that everyone else provide it for you.
yes, your problem
Jetackuu said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
fonewear said: »
I don't know therefore move to Canada it is the Coors Light of countries.
There is a touch of hyperbole to my statement.
Obviously they'd probably ask him to repeat himself and fight over the second sentence when he confirmed what he said.
They're not entirely unreasonable.
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
fonewear said: »
I don't know therefore move to Canada it is the Coors Light of countries.
There is a touch of hyperbole to my statement.
Obviously they'd probably ask him to repeat himself and fight over the second sentence when he confirmed what he said.
They're not entirely unreasonable.
Don't listen to Jet, he disagrees with that concept.
Case in point: He just stated that personal responsibility is a problem.
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
And there it is again. The notion that one shouldn't be responsible for one's own costs and expenses.
I think you are mis-interpreating "outside one's responsibility". In quoting Kingnobody, I'm stating that one's responsibility for their own health is one factor (arguably it's the largest factor). However, in terms of the legislative processes, and what a government can do to help, those are the issues that are being dealt with.
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
fonewear said: »
I don't know therefore move to Canada it is the Coors Light of countries.
There is a touch of hyperbole to my statement.
Obviously they'd probably ask him to repeat himself and fight over the second sentence when he confirmed what he said.
They're not entirely unreasonable.
Don't listen to Jet, he disagrees with that concept.
Case in point: He just stated that personal responsibility is a problem.
I said no such thing, I asserted that a society is responsible for the health and education of it's citizen's, not just the individuals.
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