Would you abort Hitler?
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Random Politics & Religion #00
Random Politics & Religion #00
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
I was born from a planned pregnancy, from parents who were in their 30s. You do see how this is different from two 16 year olds diddling around and creating a baby right? Or a single mom stuck with a lovechild from Sammy McDeadbeat. Or a rape baby. Or a one night stand.
Are you saying that your life is more valuable than those who you described as worthy of being aborted? You know, from "two 16 year olds diddling around and creating a baby right? Or a single mom stuck with a lovechild from Sammy McDeadbeat....Or a one night stand."
Because that's how you are portraying yourself right now...
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
It's about the reality of children being born to parents not up to wanting children. And for those people, abortion should be an option. Because you don't *** phone in being a parent. And no child should be born to people who don't love them - it's an emotional dead sentence.
Or are you saying that neither parent loves their child(ren) because you say so?
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
You can be relatively poor and raise a child but that comes with having the job and desire to *want* a child. Make the sacrifices. Instill the basic fundamentals. To do your job.
So yeah, I'm more about quality than quantity. I've seen enough oops babies running around with parents who don't care, doomed to be thrown into the meatgrinder of your local prison, insane asylum or other 'storage' facility to know that some people should just abort.
So yeah, I'm more about quality than quantity. I've seen enough oops babies running around with parents who don't care, doomed to be thrown into the meatgrinder of your local prison, insane asylum or other 'storage' facility to know that some people should just abort.
But hey, might as well kill them all because you don't like it, right?
Anna Ruthven said: »
This is what a world without abortion would look like.
Yeah the only reason I am here is because abortion wasn't legal in 1968...
so just let that seep in for a little while.
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Jassik said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Jassik said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
So, it's preferable to snuff out life in this case?
You should be glad that your parents decided not to snuff out your life because there may be a chance that you would have grown up poor.
You should be glad that your parents decided not to snuff out your life because there may be a chance that you would have grown up poor.
I did grow up poor, with a single mother no less. Guess what, my existence doesn't validate the lunacy behind the religious anti-abortion arguments.
See, it's the pro-abortion argument that would have put your life in jeopardy. Because, Sparth just said:
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Where children are routinely sired by deadbeats, drug addicts and other ne'er do wells who will most certainly throw a child to the dogs because they're worried about themselves.
Please, have a seat and let someone who grew up in shitty neighborhood tell you what it is to live underneath the plate, to borrow some FFVII terminology.
Please, have a seat and let someone who grew up in shitty neighborhood tell you what it is to live underneath the plate, to borrow some FFVII terminology.
I was fortunate enough to have a family who wanted me, but that isn't a given. And no amount of narcissism would make your argument even remotely compelling.
And you just happened to beat all odds set against you, huh?
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How many more irrelevant rhetorical questions are we going to get just on this page?
And is this one too??
And is this one too??
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Jassik said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
Yeah but that doesn't happen unless you also chose to irresponsibly have 5 children. Where can I find data on how many people live in community housing that also work two jobs?
It is a myth. But yes, let's call us all a nation of serfs because of these few rare idiots.
It is a myth. But yes, let's call us all a nation of serfs because of these few rare idiots.
Blame people for having multiple children, but abortion and contraceptive is against their faith.
This is moronic. Yes the solution for you is to murder the child because they won't be wealthy in childhood. If you are living in government housing as Jassik said and you have 5 children yes it is your fault you are poor.
Murder the child? LMAO...
It makes much more sense to punish the child for existing by forcing them to be born into poverty to parents who don't want them.
Oh yay, back to abortion. Look, I see a lot of stupid arguments on both sides of this issue, but this is one of them. "If they're not aborted they might grow up poor!" Go to a really crappy neighborhood and ask how many people are glad that their parents did not abort them. If you want to focus on women's rights, fine. Anything else is just a sad justification of the abortion practice.
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
And according to Sparth, you are one of the lucky few then. Because, according to him, most single parents don't love their children enough to keep them alive, and you should be damn lucky you weren't destined to be, as he puts it, "doomed to be thrown into the meatgrinder of your local prison, insane asylum or other 'storage' facility to know that some people should just abort." Because it's so easy, according to him, to know how exactly the child is going to grow up in any situation.
And you just happened to beat all odds set against you, huh?
And you just happened to beat all odds set against you, huh?
This argument is so full of holes. Seriously, if you're going to use a canned argument, at least do it right.
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Oh yay, back to abortion. Look, I see a lot of stupid arguments on both sides of this issue, but this is one of them. "If they're not aborted they might grow up poor!" Go to a really crappy neighborhood and ask how many people are glad that their parents did not abort them. If you want to focus on women's rights, fine. Anything else is just a sad justification of the abortion practice.
My stance has nothing to do with those arguments. My stance is that it's not the government's place to pick and choose which safe and voluntary medical procedures people can have, even moreso when not having it can completely destroy more than 2 lives.
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
And according to Sparth, you are one of the lucky few then. Because, according to him, most single parents don't love their children enough to keep them alive, and you should be damn lucky you weren't destined to be, as he puts it, "doomed to be thrown into the meatgrinder of your local prison, insane asylum or other 'storage' facility to know that some people should just abort." Because it's so easy, according to him, to know how exactly the child is going to grow up in any situation.
And you just happened to beat all odds set against you, huh?
And you just happened to beat all odds set against you, huh?
For a man of numbers, you seem to ignore the statistics on single parent households and on chronic poverty and where it comes from.
Again, you can be poor and raise wonderful children. The resourcefulness of people is a magical thing but that assumes you WANT children. It'll frame your whole mindset of dealing/raising them. If you don't WANT children, please don't have them.
You merely set that child up for a lifetime of sorrow/pain/betrayal all to satisfy your selfish desire for that child to be 'born'. Your political leanings would leave this child for the dogs once they pass the vaginal canal anyway.
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
How many more irrelevant rhetorical questions are we going to get just on this page?
And is this one too??
And is this one too??
Why no comma?
>>Hates gov't regulation
>>Wants gov't to regulate womens personal life decisions.
Because what I want some old guys doing is regulating sex. Something they haven't had (without paying) for the last 2-3 decades.
>>Wants gov't to regulate womens personal life decisions.
Because what I want some old guys doing is regulating sex. Something they haven't had (without paying) for the last 2-3 decades.
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Jassik said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Oh yay, back to abortion. Look, I see a lot of stupid arguments on both sides of this issue, but this is one of them. "If they're not aborted they might grow up poor!" Go to a really crappy neighborhood and ask how many people are glad that their parents did not abort them. If you want to focus on women's rights, fine. Anything else is just a sad justification of the abortion practice.
My stance has nothing to do with those arguments. My stance is that it's not the government's place to pick and choose which safe and voluntary medical procedures people can have, even moreso when not having it can completely destroy more than 2 lives.
"Completely destroy"? You just contradicted yourself. The only way to completely destroy life is to literally end it, which abortion does. Your hyperbole is ruining your argument. It makes it sound like you envision a world where being poor and/or having to give birth to unwanted children that you can put up for adoption anyway is a fate worse than death. It's a wonder not everyone in the Congo has committed suicide, huh?
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This is what happens when I"m not online! Abortions for some miniature American flags for others !
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fonewear said: »
This is what happens when I"m not online! Abortions for some miniature American flags for all !
Abortion-sized flags? I'm not sure if this ad campaign is going to go well.
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Jassik said: »
This argument is so full of holes. Seriously, if you're going to use a canned argument, at least do it right.
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
For a man of numbers, you seem to ignore the statistics on single parent households and on chronic poverty and where it comes from.
Again, you can be poor and raise wonderful children. The resourcefulness of people is a magical thing but that assumes you WANT children. It'll frame your whole mindset of dealing/raising them. If you don't WANT children, please don't have them.
You merely set that child up for a lifetime of sorrow/pain/betrayal all to satisfy your selfish desire for that child to be 'born'. Your political leanings would leave this child for the dogs once they pass the vaginal canal anyway.
Again, you can be poor and raise wonderful children. The resourcefulness of people is a magical thing but that assumes you WANT children. It'll frame your whole mindset of dealing/raising them. If you don't WANT children, please don't have them.
You merely set that child up for a lifetime of sorrow/pain/betrayal all to satisfy your selfish desire for that child to be 'born'. Your political leanings would leave this child for the dogs once they pass the vaginal canal anyway.
But yes, if you don't want children, don't have them. Make sure to use protection to prevent said children from occurring, but if you choose to ignore said protection, why should you kill the kid because you made the wrong choice?
But hey, if my "political leanings" were to give the kid a chance to live and succeed, at least it's better than killing the kid before he had a chance. And since you believe that every single kid out there born in poor conditions will always suffer a lifetime of "sorrow/pain/betrayal" because they were born from 2 people either not prepared or too stupid to use a condom/birth control, what are you going to say about those who actually, you know, succeeded in life from those who you deemed to suffer?
The adoption / foster care system is beyond *** up and pro-lifers have no horses in that race except as a means to say ABORTIONS ARE EVIL. Not once has anyone made it a national issue to reform it.
Also:
>>Thinks gov't can't run anything right.
>>Wants gov't to take care of finding homes for children.
Also:
>>Thinks gov't can't run anything right.
>>Wants gov't to take care of finding homes for children.
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They say pro life people don't care about women and they are correct...but not because of abortions because of constant nagging !
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
The adoption / foster care system is beyond *** up and pro-lifers have no horses in that race except as a means to say ABORTIONS ARE EVIL. Not once has anyone made it a national issue to reform it.
Also:
>>Thinks gov't can't run anything right.
>>Wants gov't to take care of finding homes for children.
Also:
>>Thinks gov't can't run anything right.
>>Wants gov't to take care of finding homes for children.
A. Holy crap does it need reforming. You won't find me disagreeing on that.
B. Trusting the government to take care of finding homes for children vs. not letting said children exist in the first place. You're making the lesser of two evils argument too easy here.
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
The adoption / foster care system is beyond *** up and pro-lifers have no horses in that race except as a means to say ABORTIONS ARE EVIL. Not once has anyone made it a national issue to reform it.
Also:
>>Thinks gov't can't run anything right.
>>Wants gov't to take care of finding homes for children.
Also:
>>Thinks gov't can't run anything right.
>>Wants gov't to take care of finding homes for children.
Who said I wanted the government to take the child(ren) away from the parents? Unless there is outright abuse going on towards the child(ren), the government's role in parenting should be minimal at best.
But hey, does that mean that you want the government to take the children away from every single poor parent out there who doesn't conform to your standards of care, because they cannot "love" their children as much as those who made better choices in their lives?
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Jetackuu said: »
Being a ward of the state is a fate worse than death? Yeah, why don't you poll those people on that and get back to me....
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We should bring back farm slavery that would solve the abortion problem. Just take all those unwanted kids make them work on a farm !
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
You're making the lesser of two evils argument too easy here.
Again, don't agree.
fonewear said: »
We should bring back farm slavery that would solve the abortion problem. Just take all those unwanted kids make them work on a farm !
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