Random Politics & Religion #00

Trump should have said let's send our poor people to Mexico see how they like it !

You want to see Americans with their heads ducttaped and thrown into mass graves?

You want to see Americans with their heads ducttaped and thrown into mass graves?

Trump should have said let's send our poor people to Mexico see how they like it !

Yes but so long as the cost of strawberries and tomatoes don't go up!

Yes but so long as the cost of strawberries and tomatoes don't go up!

If someone is considering an abortion, I highly doubt they can or are willing to take care of them.

You know, some instances where the grandparents force the daughter to get an abortion because of an unwed child being born in the family...

I'm not sure that's legal in any state, unless you're just talking about pressuring or threatening to boot them out of the house, which obviously works both ways.

Hypothetical scenario, also that'd be very contradicting (not that it's impossible), people caring about unwed childbearing are religious people and should be against abortions.

Legal or not, people do it, and it's pretty common.

Hell, Middle Eastern Parents (the really hard core ones) will conduct "honor killings" to kill their kids or grand kids to protect the honor of their family (and coincidentally ruin it and their family) from the perception that their kids have been overly spoiled by the local American culture, and live a life of excess luxury.

Either way it has nothing to do with what I said, who is going to take care of the childrens? Adoption system has trouble giving homes for 100k children per year, I can't imagine adding 1.2 million kids per year.

Legal or not, people do it, and it's pretty common.

Hell, Middle Eastern Parents (the really hard core ones) will conduct "honor killings" to kill their kids or grand kids to protect the honor of their family (and coincidentally ruin it and their family) from the perception that their kids have been overly spoiled by the local American culture, and live a life of excess luxury.

Fadime Şahindal was opposed to her family's insistence on an arranged marriage, and instead selected her own boyfriend. At first she kept the relationship secret, but her father found out about it. Fadime then left her family and moved to Sundsvall, where her brother found her and threatened her. She went to the police who advised her at first to talk to her family. She then turned to the media with her story, after which she turned again to the police and was offered a secret identity. By turning to the media Fadime managed to receive support from the Swedish authorities, but she had also made the "shame" of her family public. She filed a lawsuit against her father and brother, accusing them of unlawful threats, and won.

Fadime was scheduled to move in with her boyfriend, Patrick, the following month, in June 1998, when he died in a car accident. He was buried in Uppsala.

Her father forbade her to visit Uppsala, since he did not want her to visit her deceased boyfriend's grave. Nalin Pekgul, a Kurdish-Swedish parliamentarian, negotiated a compromise in which Şahindal agreed to stay away from Uppsala and her father promised not to stalk her.

On 20 November 2001, the Violence Against Women network arranged a seminar on the topic "Integration on whose terms?". During the seminar Fadime spoke in front of the Riksdag about her personal story.

On 21 January 2002, Fadime secretly visited her mother and sisters in Uppsala. During the visit, her father arrived and shot her in the head in front of her mother and two sisters. Confronted by police, he confessed and said to his defense that he was ill. Despite the confession, one of her cousins later tried to convince the police that he had killed her.

Her father was ultimately convicted of murder by a Swedish court and sentenced to life imprisonment.

Her murder sparked a debate in Sweden about immigrant integration and raised questions regarding Patrick's death.

Fadime was buried in Uppsala.

In April 2014, Fadime's brother was shot dead by Swedish police after he refused arrest.

That's more because the system is broken, I think. I've never had to deal with it myself, but I've known several couples who were more than willing to adopt but were unable to because of a mountain of red tape.

Hypothetical scenario, also that'd be very contradicting (not that it's impossible), people caring about unwed childbearing are religious people and should be against abortions.

Either way it has nothing to do with what I said, who is going to take care of the childrens? Adoption system has trouble giving homes for 100k children per year, I can't imagine adding 1.2 million kids per year.

What I mean is, I don't believe it's legal for parents to force a child to have or not have an abortion. If they do so outside the bounds of the law, it shouldn't be something that's considered, only prosecuted.

I've heard similar stories, it's part of the reason so many go outside the US to adopt.

On the other hand, my great uncles are rich, and their families could adopt with ease by throwing a crap ton of money around. Funny how that works.

Daniel Tosh said it best:

"I never understood why people always say money can't buy happiness. You know what doesn't buy happiness? Poverty doesn't buy happiness"

I like the one about "money can't buy happiness, but it can buy a jet ski. Have you ever seen a sad person on a jet ski? Hell no."

I always go back to the old adage that money can't buy happiness, but nobody who says it ever looks at all the barriers that are strictly monetary.