Random Politics & Religion #00

And you talk as if its impossible for a 13 year old to not have sex.

It's not hyperbole, he talked about abstinence previously.

That's a lie.
But some might and will, even if you daddy don't want it.

Cause they are gonna do it, whether you want them or not.
Yes, even as soon as 13.

Yes, because talk of abstinence automatically means that he approves of no other sex education for kids. Don't make me pull out jumptoconclusions.jpg.

That's called bad parenting. The true source of all these problems.

Do we need to discuss the meaning of words again?

Um, he also complained about sex ed, so yeah.

Unless you place a chastity belt on your son/daughter, you can't control it. Teaching is all you can do, after that they're individuals who are going to make choices like everyone else.

Emphasis on the word even, which means even 13 yo might have sex. Idk why you're now assuming that I mean that every middle schooler ever has sex. Are you just trying to find new arguments?

Now can you tell us why all the 13 years old that are not having sex are abstaining?

Yes, because talk of abstinence automatically means that he approves of no other sex education for kids. Don't make me pull out jumptoconclusions.jpg.

Whats the point of education if you're not allowed to put it to use? "This is birth control. But you can't use this because getting pregnant is a sufficient punishment for being a ***."

When you've got nothing. ^

I think it's safe to say that there is no way that a 12-year-old has the mental capacity to fully grasp the potential physical and psychological consequences that come with it.

Those areas of the brain don't fully develop until the mid-20's. A legal adult isn't prepared to fully grasp the potential consequences of their behavior.

Take abstinence and helicoptering off the table as your primary solution and you won't be so ripe for mockery.

You can encourage them to wait, that's fine. But you have to take into account they might not listen. Because they're curious, impulsive, and at times - depending on the relationship with their parents or simply their own personality - purposedely contrarian.
You have to be realist, accept the scenario and make sure they use precaution whenever they do it, be it 13 or 35.

You can encourage them to wait, that's fine. But you have to take into account they might not listen. Because they're curious, impulsive, and at times - depending on the relationship with their parents or simply their own personality - purposedely contrarian.
You have to be realist, accept the scenario and make sure they use precaution whenever they do it, be it 13 or 35.

Abstinence for 12-13-14 year olds should not be ripe for mockery, Neither should being a good parent.

Being a good parent doesn't keep a teenager from making a poor decision, period. Hope for the best but plan for the worst. Your kids are going to have sex, at some point, and chances are it will be sooner than you'd like. Abstinence education relies on blatant lies about the efficacy of condoms. It's not simply that you advocate abstinence, its that abstinence as a plan is laughably naive and repeatedly results in higher teen pregnancy and STD transmission rates.

Being a good parent doesn't keep a teenager from making a poor decision, period. Hope for the best but plan for the worst. Your kids are going to have sex, at some point, and chances are it will be sooner than you'd like. Abstinence education relies on blatant lies about the efficacy of condoms. It's not simply that you advocate abstinence, its that abstinence as a plan is laughably naive and repeatedly results in higher teen pregnancy and STD transmission rates.

*sighs*
It's not about being bad parent. You could be the best parent in the world but kids are going to make their experiences. It's part of growing up. Just be happy said growth process isn't impaired by pregnancy or illnesses.

So just because other people cannot control their children and are bad parents the school gets to make decisions about my child behind my back. "the whole reason this discussion started"

I think we're actually closer to a consensus if we actually focus on what the other side is saying as opposed to what we think they're saying.

Where I have a problem is people saying that teenagers should wait until they're "ready". Since the thing that started this discussion was in relation to 12-year-olds, I think it's safe to say that there is no way that a 12-year-old has the mental capacity to fully grasp the potential physical and psychological consequences that come with it. Sure they should be taught all about it anyway, but I highly doubt that a vast majority of kids that age know what being "ready" even means. At least with encouraged abstinence the kids aren't led into a false sense of security beforehand by thinking the whole thing's no big deal because they were able to justify it with their mix of powerful new hormones and faulty logic.

In an email exchange with the Washington State Health Care Authority and CNSNews.com, a Take Charge spokesperson acknowledged that underage students are eligible for a “full array of covered family planning services” at school-based clinics if their parents meet the program’s requirements.

Take Charge added that “a student who does not want their parents to know they are seeking reproductive health services is allowed to apply for Take Charge using their own income, and if they are insured under their parents’ plan, the insurance would not be billed.”

When asked if a sixth grader could get an IUD implanted without parental consent, Take Charge told CNSNews.com: “We encourage all Take Charge providers to offer long-acting reversible contraceptives (LARCs) in their clinics. A young person does not need parental consent to obtain a LARC or any other contraceptive method...If the young person is not choosing abstinence, she would be able to select a LARC and have it inserted without parental consent.”

So while the students can’t get a soda from the cafeteria due to the Seattle School Board’s 2004 ban on junk food, they can get an IUD implanted at their school’s health center without their parents’ knowledge or permission.

You mean abstinence without education* And their you go with the word teenager.

Well, if we're talking about the current state of abstinence education, then I can finally see where you're coming from. Sure I support the teaching that abstinence is your safest bet, but I don't agree with how it's being presented in connection with other topics.

The school isn't making the decision. The kid is. And because mommy and daddy would rather lock them up in the proverbial cage rather than deal with reality, perhaps they're the more mature and rational party.