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By Odin.Jassik 2015-07-01 00:44:16
I don't get it either. Apart from "punishing" any non-profit by making them pay taxes, what is so special about churches? What public service do they perform that secular non-profits don't?
You don't get it, but you practically answered the question? It would be singling them out. The conversation isn't about how non-profits should pay taxes, it's about churches. Why is it about churches and not other non-profits? Because you don't like them. For most of you guys it hasn't even been about holding them to the same standards as non-profits, as it's all about singling them out for a tax. For the extremists, it's even about singling out the ones specifically that don't endorse gay marriage. It's punishing them for their views. If you can't see it now, you're blind.
Uh, no, it would be holding them to the same standards secular non-profits are and would be held to.
Seriously, your assertion is that treating churches the same as everyone else is singling them out because... reasons.
I'll give you a visualization. Non-profit A is a secular organization that sets up adoptions. Non-profit B is a religious organization that sets up adoptions. Why is it singling the religious one out by requiring them to adhere to the same standards as the secular one? This isn't the IRS sitting at the end of the pew and taking 30% out of the collection plate.
Did you even read what I said? I said the act of taxing them but not taxing other non-profits would be singling them out. Holding them to the same standards would be, *shock*, holding them to the same standards. Seriously, pay attention.
I paid attention. Nobody is suggesting taxing only churches. And churches have enjoyed a mountain of preferential treatment and benefit of the doubt for decades. Why even mention a scenario where churches are specifically targeted? Because you are trying to tiptoe around admitting that religious organization already get preferential treatment.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-07-01 00:48:54
Since when do secular people care so much about religion so much ? Is this late breaking news or something.
When they have a chance to harm it, they suddenly take great interest. If your religion is harmed by having to pay taxes... that says quite a bit, doesn't it?
See? It just keeps going with you people. You don't care about fairness with other non-profits, you're just looking for any rationale you can muster to justify putting a hole in the coffers of churches. How about I rephrase this for you?
If your secular, non-profit organization is harmed by having to pay taxes... that says quite a bit, doesn't it?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-07-01 00:50:37
Nobody is suggesting taxing only churches.
Confirmed. You're blind. Goodnight.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-07-01 02:09:56
Since when do secular people care so much about religion so much ? Is this late breaking news or something.
When they have a chance to harm it, they suddenly take great interest. If your religion is harmed by having to pay taxes... that says quite a bit, doesn't it?
See? It just keeps going with you people. You don't care about fairness with other non-profits, you're just looking for any rationale you can muster to justify putting a hole in the coffers of churches. How about I rephrase this for you?
If your secular, non-profit organization is harmed by having to pay taxes... that says quite a bit, doesn't it?
Your rephrase is correct, it can apply both ways. Unlike secular organizations, however, churches are given an automatic pass on many requirements.
Churches receive prefential treatment from the IRS compared to ALL other non-profits.
Only under certain circumstances may they be audited.
They do not have to register with the IRS nor do they have to file annual reports. Automatic exemption for churches p.3
Personally, as long as churches adhere to the "stay out of substantial lobbying and endorcing politicians clause" that is required of them, I don't care. When they start spending money and time to create religious laws or adovate for a politician- like propposition 8 and Pulpit freedom Sunday- they should lose the privilage (not a right) of being tax exempt.
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By Siren.Fattynoob 2015-07-01 04:02:46
Seems Hillary didn't turn in all her emails after all.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/26/us/state-dept-gets-libya-emails-that-clinton-didnt-hand-over.html?_r=0
Lol. What will be the democratic cult's new excuses?
By Jetackuu 2015-07-01 07:08:09
Oh look, Benghazi.
I thought we weren't going to beat a dead horse today, glad we dodged that one.
Also your conclusion is flawed, all you know is that the sub committee is claiming that the state department didn't hand them everything. You have no idea if Clinton gave the department everything she was required to, I mean it's right there in your own link.
/bored
By fonewear 2015-07-01 07:08:58
Oh look, Benghazi.
I thought we weren't going to beat a dead horse today, glad we dodged that one.
Well I'll take anything to get rid of the tax the church movement. Which seems to be a thing now.
By fonewear 2015-07-01 07:10:48
You guys better pick up the phone and call Everset now. You're sitting there in FFXIAH day after day posting the same ***. No pick up the phone and call now !
TLDR: Cutting funding to for profit colleges.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/barack-obama-pushes-for-profit-colleges-to-the-brink-119613.html?hp=t3_r
On Wednesday, the Obama administration will begin choking off the financial lifeline of for-profit colleges whose graduates can’t find well-paying jobs — and the move is likely to accelerate a wave of shutdowns for an industry taking assaults from all sides.
Reining in the multibillion-dollar industry has been the administration’s goal for most of President Barack Obama’s term in office, fueled by complaints that for-profit colleges lure students with misleading promises, then saddle them with debts they can’t pay back despite their newly granted degrees. Its latest tool is the Education Department’s long-debated “gainful employment” rule, which requires colleges to track their graduates’ performance in the workforce and eventually will cut off funding for career training programs that fall short.
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The rule — upheld by a court ruling last week and set to take effect Wednesday — will trigger the closure of 1,400 programs that together enroll 840,000 students, the department has estimated. Ninety-nine percent of those students attend for-profits.
The regulation is part of a broader series of crackdowns on the industry by agencies including the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the Federal Trade Commission and the Securities and Exchange Commission, along with investigations, lawsuits and fines from states and blistering criticism from Democrats like Sens. Elizabeth Warren and *** Durbin. Some major college operators have begun closing or selling campuses under the onslaught.
Supporters call the regulatory moves long overdue. But the industry denounces them as a witch hunt.
“We’ve come to expect these unjust assaults,” said Gene Feichtner, president and chief operating officer of the huge for-profit chain ITT Technical Institute, which has been sued by CFPB, faces fraud charges from SEC and is under investigation by 16 state attorneys general. “Let there be no presumption here that we believe we’ll be treated fairly.”
For-profits blame the regulations and investigations for accelerating their financial decline — a turnaround from the way the industry blossomed under what the White House has described as looser restrictions implemented by the George W. Bush administration. (Sally Stroup, general counsel for the industry’s national trade group, worked for Bush’s education secretary after working for for-profit operator Apollo Education Group.)
Assaults are coming from all fronts. Last Wednesday, the Justice Department announced that the college operator Education Affiliates would pay $13 million to settle allegations it had falsified federal financial aid claims and misled Education Department officials by helping applicants obtain fake diplomas and then collecting federal financial aid dollars for those students.
For-profit colleges enroll just 11 percent of students nationally, yet account for 44 percent of federal student loan defaults, department officials often say.
Now-defunct Corinthian was once a giant in the for-profit college industry, before financial sanctions imposed by the Education Department essentially killed it. Three other major operators — DeVry Education Group, Career Education Corp. and Education Management Corp. — announced in the past month that they would either sell or shut down campuses, with some citing the upcoming gainful employment rule.
Critics and regulators say the colleges are so vulnerable only because of their own practices. The industry is plagued with student loan borrowing and default rates higher than other types of institutions, and graduates report worse career outcomes.
The gainful employment regulation applies to community colleges and public universities as well, but for-profit programs fare worst under the rule’s key evaluation metric, a debt-to-earnings ratio. The industry, which collected about $22 billion in taxpayer loans and Pell Grants in 2013, says it’s being unfairly targeted, punished by the government for enrolling high-risk students — first-generation, adult, low-income and the like — who are less likely to repay loans but need access to the flexible models that for-profits provide.
Reflecting on the recent closures, Education Undersecretary Ted Mitchell said: “I do think that’s a positive sign, and I think it’s a sign that the industry is taking outcomes seriously, just as we’re saying we’re going to take outcomes seriously.”
This is the Education Department’s second try at a rule, after the first attempt was upended in court.
For-profit colleges have taken some steps to change their practices, in part to push back against the legal and regulatory onslaught. Kaplan restructured or closed several programs. Colleges started offering trial enrollment periods. And some, like the largest operator, University of Phoenix, agreed to use the federal “Shopping Sheet” financial aid comparison tool.
“They’re responding — in what I think is an appropriate way — to limit programs that are underperforming,” Mitchell said. “Which is what we hope all institutions across the for-profit and the nonprofit sector would be doing.”
Enrollment at for-profit colleges grew from 4.6 percent of all undergraduates in 2000 to 10.3 percent of all undergraduates in 2012, according to a recent Woodstock Institute report. That growth coincided with the Bush administration Education Department’s creation of a dozen “safe harbors” letting colleges base recruiters’ salaries on their success in securing enrollments, circumventing measures passed by Congress in the early 1990s.
“Each one of those safe harbors chipped away at the law’s ability to be enforced,” David Hawkins, director of public policy and research at the National Association of College Admission Counseling, once told the Senate.
The Obama administration repealed those loopholes.
Department data show that the number of students enrolled at for-profits peaked at about 2.4 million in 2010, and the number of four-year for-profit colleges plateaued at 671 institutions in 2011. (Continued growth in the two-year for-profit sector meant the industry was still on the upswing in 2012-13, the most recent year for which the department has data.)
The growth was not by accident. For-profits rely on year-over-year enrollment increases to keep the cash flowing. The economic recession may have pushed more people to go into or back to school, but aggressively fraudulent marketing and recruitment is what’s landing colleges like Corinthian in hot water.
And in some cases, taxpayers are paying the price. The department this month unveiled its debt relief plan for Corinthian students who relied on false job placement rates when enrolling. The initial cost for the loan discharges is upwards of $500 million — and that’s only a portion of what could ultimately reach billions of dollars in discharges for students at any law-breaking institution.
Corinthian is out of cash. But when students duped by other colleges seek discharges under “defense against repayment” regulations, as they surely will, the department will recoup that money from the institution whenever possible, Mitchell said.
“Our goal is not to close institutions and programs. Our goal is to improve them. And we see that happening,” a White House official said. “At the end of the day, if a program is unable to meet the gainful employment standard after being given every opportunity to do so … that’s not acceptable.”
Industry enrollments are now on the downswing, clocking a 20-percent drop since 2010. Many major providers’ stock prices have fallen dramatically in the same period: ITT, Corinthian and EDMC saw declines of 95 percent, while Strayer Education and Apollo dropped 65 percent. Apollo’s University of Phoenix has closed 115 campuses and halved its enrollment since initiating a restructuring in 2011 — “to re-engineer our business processes and educational delivery systems to students.”
Apollo disclosed Tuesday that it will lay off 600 employees, close more campuses and — in a major shift — add new admissions criteria, which could further cut declining enrollments while simultaneously increasing student retention and graduation rates.
Hundreds of campuses run by for-profit providers nationwide have closed in recent years, department figures show.
A for-profit model that aims to maximize enrollment — and thus, profit — without regard to innovation or program quality may not be long for this world, said Derrick Anderson, an assistant public policy professor at Arizona State University.
“There are many different for-profit models, and the for-profit paradigm is not inherently bad when applied to higher education,” Anderson said. For instance, a college like Flatiron School in New York City — whose simple financial model is built around student job placement — can and will continue to do just fine.
“However,” Anderson said, “it seems increasingly the case that some of those models cannot work.”
All the action hasn’t quieted for-profit critics in and outside of Congress, who think the Education Department isn’t doing enough to punish colleges or help students they believe have been left with huge debt and degrees deemed worthless in some cases.
“The continued upheaval in the wake of Corinthian’s collapse is a long-overdue reckoning for an industry that profits off students while sticking them with a worthless degree and insurmountable debt,” Durbin said. The Illinois Democrat called Corinthian’s dismantling “the canary in the coal mine for the for-profit college industry.”
Even while scrutinizing the department’s handling of Corinthian — most recently, regarding its process for closed-school student loan discharges — critics agree the country is undoubtedly better off with Corinthian out of the picture.
When a college closing means fewer students wind up in hopeless situations, it’s “absolutely a positive thing,” said Rory O’Sullivan, deputy director of Young Invincibles.
California Attorney General Kamala Harris sued Corinthian Colleges, alleging it misrepresented job placement rates and school programs to lure low-income state residents.(AP Photo)
O’Sullivan sat on the department’s negotiated rulemaking panel, which set out to develop the gainful employment regulation in 2013-14. The group failed to reach consensus on regulatory language, so the department wrote the rule itself, leaving neither colleges nor advocates like O’Sullivan entirely satisfied.
Yet between the regulations, the publicity and the action by agencies from various federal agencies, “there’s certainly a lot of progress that the administration could take some credit for,” O’Sullivan said.
“We’ve learned that this is hard work, that it’s detailed work, and that the stakes are high,” Mitchell said. “We want to get it right, but we can always learn more. And I think we’ve learned a lot through the Corinthian situation.”
There may well be more disruption to come.
This spring has certainly been tough on the industry: DeVry had already said it would close more than a dozen campuses. Corinthian’s announcement two months ago that its last 28 campuses would never again open their doors prompted several lawmakers to demand closed-school discharges for those students. And then Career Education Corp. and EDMC dropped their respective bombs: The former would phase out 14 campuses and sell another three, and the latter would eventually wind down 15 of its 52 Art Institute locations.
Further, EDMC said last week that it will cut 300 jobs. Enrollment at the company’s four for-profit brands has dropped nearly 30 percent since 2010, reports indicate.
Late last year, Career Education also said it would sell its 16-campus Le Cordon Bleu culinary school chain.
The gainful employment rule is only part of the picture. Factors beyond the control of the administration — and the colleges themselves — are at play, too.
“I think what you’re seeing right now is a market correction,” said Ben Miller, senior director for postsecondary education at the Center for American Progress. “You’re seeing the flexibility of the for-profit sector — that’s always talked about as a feature for growth — operating in reverse.”
That’s through no fault of their own, many colleges would argue. ITT recently accused its naysayers in Congress and the administration of “actions built on misinformation, false facts and allegations only.”
At his first day as a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress last Wednesday, former CFPB student loan ombudsman Rohit Chopra announced he’s targeting ITT over consumer protection concerns. ITT spokeswoman Nicole Elam said the move suggests “a personal bias against our institutions and an unwillingness to allow for due process to work, the cornerstone of the U.S. legal system.” Such transitions from the government to private sectors “raise serious concerns involving government ethics rules and the appearance of sharp practice,” she added.
Facing a litany of challenges including a one-day hold on federal financial aid, ITT closed four campuses last year.
The potential for closures has been a key point in for-profits’ argument against the gainful employment rule since its development.
“Because of gainful, you’re seeing fewer options in higher education for these types of [career and technical] programs,” said Noah Black, a spokesman at the Association of Private Sector Colleges and Universities, whose lawsuit failed to kill the administration’s rule. APSCU argues the regulations unfairly target the “new traditional” students who are older, borrow more, work more and gravitate toward for-profits.
“We’re going to see a lot more of this over the next five years,” Black said.
Career Education Corp. directly called out the gainful employment rule when it announced it would drop some campuses.
“The unfortunate reality is that a more difficult higher education marketplace and challenging regulatory environment have handicapped our ability to turn these institutions around quickly and operate these programs effectively in the long-term,” Mark Spencer, director of corporate communications, said in a statement.
Such actions seemed to indicate that for-profits were fully expecting gainful employment to come to bear, said Kevin Kinser, an associate professor of education at the State University of New York — despite APSCU’s success in getting a judge to throw out the first rule in 2012. The types of programs being eliminated — for example, at EDMC’s Art Institutes — are ones that won’t fare as well under the rule’s debt-to-income metric.
And not all of the floundering colleges are run by gigantic companies facing an array of charges, like Corinthian. Smaller, regional colleges are shrinking, too — schools like Eastern Hills Academy of Hair Design and Tulare Beauty College, both of which closed campuses this year.
“You’re erasing a decade of gains here,” Kinser said.
Yet even with last week’s court ruling, the rule’s not totally in the clear. Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.), chairman of the Senate education committee, reiterated three weeks ago that he intends to block the rule — “if I can.”
House and Senate Republicans have already introduced legislation to throw a wrench in that White House initiative and others, and appropriations bills in both chambers would do the same.
But the administration isn’t backing down, and seems more confident than ever.
“We are planning to stick with the regulation,” the White House official said. “[Obama] believes in the importance of it.”
By Jetackuu 2015-07-01 07:10:51
Oh look, Benghazi.
I thought we weren't going to beat a dead horse today, glad we dodged that one.
Well I'll take anything to get rid of the tax the church movement. Which seems to be a thing now. You'll take anything alright.
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By fonewear 2015-07-01 07:13:33
A moment for the best commercial ever:
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By fonewear 2015-07-01 07:17:15
What the commercial should be like:
Hey guys you like college we like college too sign up now !
By fonewear 2015-07-01 07:52:18
Meanwhile in LGBT/Facebook news:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/28/facebook-rainbow-colored-profiles-san-francisco-pride
Within hours of the supreme court’s Friday decision on same-sex marriage, people with a certain number of progressively minded friends found their Facebook news feeds dominated by rainbow-colored profile pictures created by a special link on the website.
The gambit successfully put Facebook’s equality credentials in the spotlight. But it was challenged on Saturday at San Francisco Pride, an event the company sponsored.
T he Radical Faeries, one of the more idiosyncratic groups at San Francisco’s Pride, said the festival should dump Facebook as a sponsor because of the company’s ban on adopted names.
The policy was unfair to LGBT people who use adopted names to avoid homophobia or to express their true identity, they said.
“I don’t like anybody telling me who I am or have to be,” said Storm Arcana, 42, seated on a rug in the Faerie Freedom Village, a colourful camp near city hall.
“That’s anathema to my essence. I’m self-defined and self-described and that is my right.” He objected to Facebook sponsoring Pride. “There’s too much of a contrast between what they represent and what we represent.”
In response, a Facebook spokesperson told the Guardian on Sunday: “Facebook is proud of our commitment to diversity and our support of the LGBTQ community as a company and an employer.
“We have been strong supporters of the San Francisco parade for many years. Last year more than 1,500 people associated with Facebook marched in the San Francisco parade, and this year we are participating in 12 celebrations around the world.”
The #MyNameIs organization has been fighting for Facebook to change its name policy. At San Francisco pride, it demonstrated against the policy.
The group is led by San Francisco-based drag queens but also includes domestic abuse survivors, Native Americans and other people who feel that they should be allowed to use names different from those that appear on their birth certificate. Facebook, which has met members of the group, has slightly amended its policy but insists that it distinguishes itself from other social networks by refusing to let people be anonymous.
“This policy directly harms LGBTQ people, especially transgender and *** people around the world who face daily discrimination, and use social media like Facebook to find support, build community, and express their authentic selves,” said organizer and drag queen Lil Miss Hot Mess in a statement.
“Facebook may seem like a trivial waste of time, but for trans people and LGBTQ youth who face disproportionate rates of violence and suicide, it can literally be a lifeline.”
The #MyNameIs group tried to ban Facebook from the parade with an online petition that collected more than 2,500 signatures. Facebook did not respond to requests for comment.
But the company remained as a sponsor, to the dismay of the #MyNameIs organizers and the Radical Faeries, a group which blends counter-cultural values, *** consciousness and spirituality.
Many members said they had been expelled from Facebook because they could not supply documentation to prove their adopted names were real.
Lovely Day, a 48-year-old woman who adopted that name six years ago, said Facebook suspended her account on Christmas Day, saying she needed to prove its authenticity. The suspension came soon after she posted videos of controversial police shootings, prompting her suspicion that trolls who disliked her viewpoint alerted Facebook.
She lamented that the company was a festival sponsor.
“I’m not really into it but I can’t change what corporate dollars do,” she said.
Day had a consolation: she is still able to use a Facebook account registered as Bobbi Terri, the names of two plastic trans dolls she takes on trips.
“I can’t have an account,” she said, “but the dolls, sure.”
Other Faeries accused the tech giant of wanting to use only names that appeared on credit cards in order to monetize data.
Stellara Solanum, 31, bristled that he must use his birth name, Kevin Faulkner, on Facebook even though friends know him as Stellara, which he considers more meaningful.
“My housemate spent a lot more getting to know me before naming me than my parents did,” he said.
Solanum said he now struggled to recognise friends on Facebook because they were obliged to use birth names which he did not recognise.
“Now it’s, who the hell is John Stone? It’s disconnecting me.”
The problem was gravest for *** people facing homophobic threats, and Native Americans, he said, adding: “They’re the ones I feel sorry for.”
On Saturday, a former Facebook employee wrote on Medium that her profile was suspended because she goes by a name different from the one she was born with. She said the ban happened while she was at trans pride on Friday, the day the supreme court announced that same-sex marriage is legal in every US state.
“If you’re a marginalised person, such as a trans person, you may be left with no way to get back on,” she wrote.
“Facebook have handed an enormous hammer to those who would like to silence us, and time after time I see that hammer coming down on trans women who have just stepped out of line by suggesting that perhaps we’re being mistreated.”
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-07-01 09:04:58
Paying taxes is punishment? I pay them. What am I being punished for?
Oh good, just let me impose additional taxes on you that you aren't paying right now simply because I don't like the way that you view things. Clearly it's no big deal to you. Additional taxes are about to be imposed on me because the county I live in isn't governed correctly, shitty deals were made and no one knows how to manage money... so? Can we add them in for those reasons?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-07-01 09:08:53
Confirmed. You're blind. Goodnight.
If I refuse to see the point it doesn't exist.
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I like how everyone is drifting ever so slowly away from "We'll never use the gay marriage ruling to attack the church" to "well they didn't deserve tax exempt status anyways."
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-07-01 09:17:37
You cannot remove religion from government unless you remove all religious people from government. Religion motivates and shapes people. Its teachings have played a role in the development of laws on all sides of the political spectrum. And you don't see a problem with this?
Whether or not people who are in office have religion in their life it should not affect their decision making ability when they are in office. If anyone's reasoning behind making any decision in government is "because god said so" should not be taken seriously.
I have no problem with any representative defending the rights of practicing religion but when you try to legislate on god's behalf that crosses a line.
Going off a little bit here but personally I don't get why people wouldn't want to serve or make something for a homosexual marriage. I also don't think they should be forced to. When you try to defend that position though what is the defense? Where in the bible does god decree that you should not serve at any kind of service for homosexuals? Where does it say that this act would condemn you to hell? It's stuff like this... Many people like to use something to further their own predjudice and try to use something else to justify it that holds some kind of weight. This is not everyone but yeah. The golden rule and all... treat everyone as you would want to be treated unless they're gay or whatever other qualification they didn't meet. You shouldn't use religion as a means to discriminate against others. Don't agree with something? Fine. Discriminate against someone cuz "god" don't be surprised when people don't like that.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-07-01 09:20:58
Confirmed. You're blind. Goodnight.
If I refuse to see the point it doesn't exist.
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I like how everyone is drifting ever so slowly away from "We'll never use the gay marriage ruling to attack the church" to "well they didn't deserve it anyways." You don't have to keep telling us about your mental disorder... just go get help.
I like how religious institutions discriminated against groups of people and now cry foul the minute the shoe goes on the other foot. Hypocrites all! We can do it but if you try to you're just meanies!
By fonewear 2015-07-01 09:27:45
Why is it every discussion of religion is a ***fest that never ends !
Can we get back to what is really important Hillary !
The amount of time wasted discussing religion could be used on more useful things. Like ...hell another religion topic...well I tried !
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/01/rainbow-flag-girl-zea_n_7702856.html?cps=gravity_2425_-5054897900974522724
I guess if you hold a flag you are a umm patriot or something ? I don't know.
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Sometimes, the loudest voice is the one that doesn't say a word -- just ask this little girl.
Zea, a 7-year-old first grader, stood firm in the face of hate over the weekend at a celebration of the Supreme Court ruling that legalized same-sex marriage. When a preacher began ranting at her through a microphone, little Zea quietly waved her rainbow flag and never backed down.
Once again, #LoveWins.
Her father, Ryan Bowling, posted video of the remarkable confrontation on YouTube. He wrote that it took place over the weekend at ComFest, an annual music and arts festival in Columbus, Ohio that turned into an impromptu celebration of Friday's decision.
"Zea didn't just flash the flag at that hatemonger, and bail. They went toe to toe, for several minutes, while he bellowed all of his fire and brimstone right in her face," Bowling wrote on Facebook. "Grown man vs first grader. She told me afterward that she did feel scared. The one thing the people of #comfest2015 never let her feel though? Alone."
The encounter was also caught on camera by Zea's father:
By Ramyrez 2015-07-01 10:24:15
In light of the various jokes and things made around here, and how frequently we "Godwin it", a somber moment of Holocaust news:
'British Schindler' Sir Nicholas Winton dies aged 106
Quote: Sir Nicholas Winton, who organised the rescue of 669 children destined for Nazi concentration camps, has died aged 106.
Winton was working as a stock broker when he arranged trains to carry Jewish children from occupied Prague to Britain.
His son-in-law Stephen Watson confirmed he had died.
Further reading on the man:
Nicholas Winton's children: The Czech Jews rescued by 'British Schindler'
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By fonewear 2015-07-01 10:35:55
You had me at Jew ! At least it isn't a Jewish people shouldn't pay synagogue taxes !
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By Siren.Mosin 2015-07-01 10:36:12
Hillary lied, people died!
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By fonewear 2015-07-01 10:36:57
Hillary lied, people died!
The thing is she lies all the time so I guess you could say it is normal.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-07-01 10:41:19
Confirmed. You're blind. Goodnight.
If I refuse to see the point it doesn't exist.
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I like how everyone is drifting ever so slowly away from "We'll never use the gay marriage ruling to attack the church" to "well they didn't deserve it anyways."
Let me help you understand. His point is weak. Churches are already given preferential treatment, asking them to follow the same rules isn't singling them out.
TL:DR - I see the point, it's ***.
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By fonewear 2015-07-01 10:57:32
This thread died 725 pages ago what is left is well what you have now !
By fonewear 2015-07-01 10:59:24
Example:
How 'bout
Then maybe this won't devolve into the steaming heap of used diapers most P&R threads become.
Why come up with a rule you cannot follow?
And we're already basically calling people hypocrites on page 1? Awww yeah, this is gonna be a fun thread. =D
Couldn't even make it past page 1 without thread already devolving into a ***storm ! That is why we love the internet.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-07-01 11:31:21
Confirmed. You're blind. Goodnight.
If I refuse to see the point it doesn't exist.
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I like how everyone is drifting ever so slowly away from "We'll never use the gay marriage ruling to attack the church" to "well they didn't deserve it anyways." You said churches would be required to marry gay people. Taxes were NEVER mentioned in your doom predictions
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-07-01 11:57:01
Cmon gents, peddle more fear. Your religion depends on it.
I want to hear about Christians thrown to gay lions and LBGT death squads forcing you to convert or be run through by gay steel ***.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-07-01 12:15:48
Confirmed. You're blind. Goodnight.
If I refuse to see the point it doesn't exist.
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I like how everyone is drifting ever so slowly away from "We'll never use the gay marriage ruling to attack the church" to "well they didn't deserve it anyways."
Let me help you understand. His point is weak. Churches are already given preferential treatment, asking them to follow the same rules isn't singling them out.
TL:DR - I see the point, it's ***.
You see that bolded part? I pretty much said that exact same thing 532 times and you still don't see it. I hate to pull the whole reading comprehension thing, but holy crap do you take it to a new level.
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By fonewear 2015-07-01 12:20:32
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Cmon gents, peddle more fear. Your religion depends on it.
I want to hear about Christians thrown to gay lions and LBGT death squads forcing you to convert or be run through by gay steel ***.
LGBT death squad is probably a better movie than this:
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By fonewear 2015-07-01 12:24:05
What is next federal and state laws for anti discrimination that is what is next !
http://www.npr.org/2015/07/01/418838989/after-supreme-court-decision-whats-next-for-gay-rights-groups
Matt McTighe is heading up the new campaign. It will use the same strategic playbook with a lot of the same players. The goal is to win federal and state LGBT non-discrimination laws.
Supporters of same-sex marriages gather outside the U.S. Supreme Court on April 28, in Washington, D.C.
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"We have this great army of really experienced, trained people and now hopefully could deploy them to this next fight," he says.
Jason Rahlan works with Human Rights Campaign, the nation's largest LGBT advocacy group. He says the organization will not be downsizing, just pivoting to other issues like non-discrimination laws and electing more LGBT-friendly candidates.
Janson Wu, executive director of the advocacy group GLAD in Massachusetts — where same-sex marriage was won 11 years ago — says the victory frees up resources for a broader agenda.
"That should be the bare minimum. Now what if we were to set our sights on LGBT-inclusive curriculum," he asks. "What if we ensure that every student learned about the LGBT movement and learned about the heroes of our movement in their history classes."
Advocates concede it may be more challenging to rally public support and dollars for causes that may be less obvious or visceral than marriage.
"The risk is that the resources will decline if we're not creative," says Marc Solomon from Freedom To Marry. He says advocates will find ways to make a compelling case.
"When I first got involved in the marriage fights, we were out selling pieces of wedding cake at pride parades for five bucks a pop," he says. "This sounds very business-y, but it's about creating a real demand for what you're doing. And that means being persuasive to donors to demonstrate that the cause is important."
In the meantime, LGBT advocates will also still spend some of their time on marriage, either changing hearts and minds that remain out of sync with what is now law, or vigilantly fighting against backlash.
"What's clear is that our work is far from over," says Chad Griffin, president of Human Rights Campaign. He flew this week to Texas, where some clerks have denied marriage licenses on religious grounds.
"Public servants, including clerks, should serve the entire public. It's that simple," he says.
Another group, Lambda Legal, launched a website this week tracking potential trouble spots. So those who've been fighting for the right to marry say they'll still keep busy trying to enforce it.
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