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By Jetackuu 2015-06-26 09:56:01  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Right, I forgot people can't make their own decisions, someone will inevitably be discriminated against. Better just fork over all civil freedoms.

When shall we be petitioning the government to marry children? How long shall we permit such discrimination? (/sarcasm)
If that decision is to use the law to discriminate against others, then no, no they can't do that.

In no way is discrimination against homosexuals a "civil freedom."
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-26 10:01:50  
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In no way is discrimination against homosexuals a "civil freedom."

Stop being an opressive bigot and let him have his hatreds.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-06-26 10:09:10  
Ramyrez said: »
Jetackuu said: »
In no way is discrimination against homosexuals a "civil freedom."

Stop being an opressive bigot and let him have his hatreds.

You're just sad Ramy.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-26 10:10:21  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
You're just sad Ramy.

That's essentially your thought process, as I recall.

You're free to hate anyone and if you're denied your right to invalidate their union because of your belief, you are the one being opressed.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-06-26 10:49:01  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
I'm just curious what it is that conservatives stand for nowadays other than "GRRRRR nothing must change EVAR!".

Upholding the bill of rights, the constitution. You know, the good stuff....
After all, didn't the founding fathers say there wasn't enough corporate money in politics?

Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
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Next step from the radicals will be to strip tax exempt status from churches....
I would vote for that.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-26 10:53:16  
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I would vote for that.

It's that he thinks it's radical is what worries me.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-06-26 10:54:54  
Jetackuu said: »
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In no way is discrimination against homosexuals a "civil freedom."
No, but there are those who think it a religious right if not a religious obligation.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-06-26 10:59:50  

The decision has ***-all to do with the rights of people like Nausi. No need to tarnish this day by feeding into the insane notion that this is somehow about them.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-06-26 11:04:19  
So that's finally finished. What's next?
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-26 11:07:47  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
So that's finally finished. What's next?

Either making alcohol forbidden or compulsory.

~discuss.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-26 11:11:38  
Cerberus.Pleebo said: »

The decision has ***-all to do with the rights of people like Nausi. No need to tarnish this day by feeding into the insane notion that this is somehow about them.

If you really want to piss him off, marry a transexual farm animal.
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By Cerberus.Laconic 2015-06-26 11:51:05  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
So that's finally finished. What's next?

I know right! Can we finally let this die and move onto more important things. With racism and now gay marriage being solved we can finally move onto actually addressing the economy and jobs.
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By Drama Torama 2015-06-26 11:54:29  
Cerberus.Laconic said: »
I know right! Can we finally let this die and move onto more important things. With racism and now gay marriage being solved we can finally move onto actually addressing the economy and jobs.

I know there's sarcasm here, but I honestly hope this is what happens, someday.

Racism and homophobia aren't gone yet, but they're on the retreat, and it'd be nice to actually start advancing as a species and civilization again.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-26 12:25:03  
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The US Senate has passed legislation banning boycott against Israel.

Given rising international boycott against Israel, the powerful pro-Israel lobby in the US had to act immediately. The bill is reported to be passed under immense pressure. Still, it has to be signed by President Obama.

The provisions themselves require the US negotiators to oppose the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement against Israel during the ongoing free trade negotiations with the European Union.

The BDS campaign seeks to increase economic and political pressure on Israel until the regime ends the occupation and colonization of Palestinian lands and respect the right of return of Palestinian refugees.

"Today, for the first time in nearly four decades, Congress sent legislation to the president's desk to combat efforts to isolate and delegitimize the 'state' of Israel," US Representative Peter Roskam wrote in a statement released shortly after the Senate vote.

"After today, discouraging economic warfare against Israel will be central to our free trade negotiations with the European Union," said Roskam, one of the lawmakers who sponsored the provisions.

This comes as several groups and organizations in the European states have already supported the campaign against Israel.
US Senate passes bill banning Israel boycott
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-06-26 12:38:56  
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If you really want to piss him off, marry a transexual farm animal.

Leftys here cannot seem to play anything but the "disagreement = hate" card.
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By Jetackuu 2015-06-26 12:47:03  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
If you really want to piss him off, marry a transexual farm animal.

People here cannot seem to play anything but the "disagreement = hate" card.
Because all anyone who disagrees plays is the "I disagree because I hate" card.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-06-26 13:16:51  
Greece debt crisis: Athens rejects five-month bailout extension
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Greece has rejected an offer from its creditors to extend the country's bailout deal as too little and likely to cause recession.
The country's international creditors made the new proposal so that it could avoid defaulting on its debt - providing it agreed to reforms.
The proposal would have released €15.5bn ($17.3bn) of funding, €1.8bn of which would have been available now.
A statement from the Greek government said it "cannot be accepted".
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-06-26 13:52:29  
Jetackuu said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
If you really want to piss him off, marry a transexual farm animal.

People here cannot seem to play anything but the "disagreement = hate" card.
Because all anyone who disagrees plays is the "I disagree because I hate" card.

Whatever you have to tell yourself to maintain your rigid set of views.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-06-26 13:55:21  
All this gay marriage is going to push Greece over the edge!
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By Bismarck.Leneth 2015-06-26 14:02:48  
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
All this gay marriage is going to push Greece over the edge!
Wonder if 'push' is the correct term... it's more like Greece is jumping over the clip on her own and hopes a safety net will magically appear.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-06-26 14:08:13  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
If you really want to piss him off, marry a transexual farm animal.

People here cannot seem to play anything but the "disagreement = hate" card.
Because all anyone who disagrees plays is the "I disagree because I hate" card.

Whatever you have to tell yourself to maintain your rigid set of views.

I mean the effort required to stick ones fingers so deep in their ears is astounding to me. Dissent is not tolerated.
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By fonewear 2015-06-26 14:16:00  
Gay people can get married but why would they want to ?

Don't have to be gay to know that getting married is a bad time.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-06-26 14:22:52  
Totally not related:
Controversial trial of genetically modified wheat ends in disappointment
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A genetically engineered wheat designed to scare away aphids has, in the end, just not proved scary enough. Researchers had hoped that the wheat modified to emit a warning pheromone would ward off aphids while also attracting their natural enemies, thereby allowing farmers to spray less insecticide. Despite promising signs in the laboratory, the field trial—which made headlines in 2012 after opponents of genetic modification (GM) threatened to obstruct it—failed to show any effect.
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ones suspects something else is wrong: The wheat plants released a steady supply of pheromone rather than a short burst, as aphids do when they are attacked. Dicke agrees. “If you make a transgenic plant that produces that alarm continuously, it’s not going to work,” he says. “You have a plant crying wolf all the time, and the bugs won’t listen to it any longer.”

In fact, in greenhouse experiments the researchers did see aphids eventually ignore the pheromone when they were constantly exposed to it.
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The researchers are considering creating wheat that sends out pulses of pheromones or releases them only when under attack. Jones says that wheat plants turn on certain genes when nibbled by insects or sucked by aphids, so he and others might be able to find the switches for these genes and hook them up to the engineered genes that make the pheromones. It will likely take several years before the team is ready for a new field trial, he says.
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Somewhat obvious in hindsight, but that's certainly why we do research. Would be interesting to see how the new approach works out.
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By fonewear 2015-06-26 14:25:02  
Obama is singing on CNN and you guys aren't covering it ?

Oh Lord have mercy he is singing Amazing Grace my soul is touched !
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By fonewear 2015-06-26 14:25:59  
I'm swaying back and forth singing along with him !
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-26 14:28:42  
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Oh Lord have mercy he is singing Amazing Grace

I only listen to Grace in two forms, and neither involves someone ruining it by singing.
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By fonewear 2015-06-26 14:29:01  
Drama Torama said: »
Cerberus.Laconic said: »
I know right! Can we finally let this die and move onto more important things. With racism and now gay marriage being solved we can finally move onto actually addressing the economy and jobs.

I know there's sarcasm here, but I honestly hope this is what happens, someday.

Racism and homophobia aren't gone yet, but they're on the retreat, and it'd be nice to actually start advancing as a species and civilization again.

You kidding me Obama banned all of those with his first executive order in office 2009.
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By fonewear 2015-06-26 14:45:42  
Basically Obama touched me today in a way that is illegal unless you are a Catholic priest...
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By Jetackuu 2015-06-26 14:53:15  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
If you really want to piss him off, marry a transexual farm animal.

People here cannot seem to play anything but the "disagreement = hate" card.
Because all anyone who disagrees plays is the "I disagree because I hate" card.

Whatever you have to tell yourself to maintain your rigid set of views.

I mean the effort required to stick ones fingers so deep in their ears is astounding to me. Dissent is not tolerated.
The irony in this coming from the two of you is astounding.

My views evolve all the time, and Rav you need to go farm me 100M, what are you doing on here?

But for the lulz: dissent is tolerated, if it's logical and not hate filled nonsense, unfortunately there isn't any of that here, or really anywhere when it comes to this issue.
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By fonewear 2015-06-26 14:54:51  
Sing with me brothers:

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