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By fonewear 2015-06-25 09:52:38  
True most doctors are Indian though !

That or convenient store owners...
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-25 09:55:13  
fonewear said: »
True most doctors are Indian though !

That or convenient store owners...

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By fonewear 2015-06-25 09:57:13  
How could we miss this !

A transgender heckled Obama never !

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-tosses-heckler-lgbt-event-youre-house/story?id=32006474

Transgender mafia strikes again !

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By Ramyrez 2015-06-25 09:58:07  
fonewear said: »

Nobody said transgender people can't be Republican, racist, or wrong.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-06-25 09:58:47  
Cerberus.Laconic said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Cerberus.Laconic said: »

Just putting this here for safe keeping, I'm sure it'll be useful soon.

So, the last documented son of a Confederate soldier died in 2005. "The last Confederate widow" (who was born fifty years after 1865) died in 2008. The last surviving Confederate soldiers died in the 1950s.

Seeing as though a lot of people are ambivalent or ignorant about their family lineage and participation in wars of the last century (nevermind two centuries ago), somehow, people are suppose to care about a Clinton/Gore button from 1992?

Anecdotal, but not too many late Gen Xers and early Yers in the US are that invested in knowledge of their familial history, unless they're devoted to the study of history. Just an observation, though.

(Still trying to find an article on the last documented daughter of a Confederate solider.)

I wouldn't doubt that the current Sons/Daughters of the Confederacy are on par with the those who claim the lineage of Doc Holliday. Basically, laughable.


I just don't know what to say to this randomness. You got all this from a button?

I honestly don't know what to say about your pages upon pages of randomness, but if you're going to snidely make mention of this for "safe keeping", the least you could do is explain why anyone should care about your beloved button. :)
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-25 10:00:54  
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
I honestly don't know what to say about your pages upon pages of randomness, but if you're going to snidely make mention of this for "safe keeping", the least you could do is explain why anyone should care about your beloved button. :)

Clearly you're incompetent for not being able to extrapolate with your feeble liberal mind the same bias, raving, utterly mad conclusion he reached.
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By fonewear 2015-06-25 10:00:57  
I didn't know people cared that much about the Confederacy. How many black people do you have to kill to learn about the Civil War...turns out it was 9 !
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-25 10:02:03  
fonewear said: »
I didn't know people cared that much about the Confederacy. How many black people do you have to kill to learn about the Civil War...turns out it was 9 !

All I have to say about that is you're a *** awful person.

And so am I.

*flags the boatman on the River Styx*

Two tickets, please.

Thanks.
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By fonewear 2015-06-25 10:03:21  
See I try to be positive until those 9 black people died I didn't even know what a confederate flag was !
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-25 10:05:05  
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See I try to be positive until those 9 black people died I didn't even know what a confederate flag was !

It's been a while, but you deserve one of these today.

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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-06-25 10:06:53  
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It's not supporting or defending a thing to see a reason why they did a thing. I straight-up called it unprofessional and said they should lose their jobs/licenses very early on in this...
It actually is defending it. There is absolutely no reason for what happened to happen and no excuse. Having a stressful working environment does not somehow cause someone to falsify medical records. It also doesn't cause them to call someone gay and make fun of where they went to school.

As I said before "gallows humor" as you referred to it as a way to cope with stress doesn't lead to this type of behavior and it is definitely not the "why they did a thing"

If you have a chance, listen to the audio. It's not delivered with much malice, there's no doubt she's trying to be funny.
Personally I don't give a ***what she said Nausi... you're focused so much on the defamation issue that you're ignoring the only thing that matters. The falsification of medical records for any reason is unnacceptable.

One thing I am curious abou though... does it somehow make it less offensive or something to the person be spoken about if it's not "delivered with malice"?
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By fonewear 2015-06-25 10:08:20  
If you can't laugh at tragedy how can you make it in this world ?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-06-25 10:19:34  
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
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It's not supporting or defending a thing to see a reason why they did a thing. I straight-up called it unprofessional and said they should lose their jobs/licenses very early on in this...
It actually is defending it. There is absolutely no reason for what happened to happen and no excuse. Having a stressful working environment does not somehow cause someone to falsify medical records. It also doesn't cause them to call someone gay and make fun of where they went to school.

As I said before "gallows humor" as you referred to it as a way to cope with stress doesn't lead to this type of behavior and it is definitely not the "why they did a thing"

If you have a chance, listen to the audio. It's not delivered with much malice, there's no doubt she's trying to be funny.
Personally I don't give a ***what she said Nausi... you're focused so much on the defamation issue that you're ignoring the only thing that matters. The falsification of medical records for any reason is unnacceptable.

One thing I am curious abou though... does it somehow make it less offensive or something to the person be spoken about if it's not "delivered with malice"?
Here I was thinkning I might just get along with you today...

Silly me.

I'm not ignoring it, it just isn't news. She falsified records and is appropriately punished for it.

The bigger story is that a couple of doctors were joking around and are being sued for defamation because of it. Defamation usually includes a motive of ill will or harm to the victim which is malicious. Delivery and intent of the speaker matter. Or at least they should.

you either need some coffee this morning or have drank too much of it already.
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By fonewear 2015-06-25 10:22:38  
I'm just shocked a woman made it that far in the medical field !
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-25 10:23:20  
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The bigger story is that a couple of doctors were joking around and are being sued for defamation because of it. Defamation usually includes a motive of ill will or harm to the victim which is malicious...

Can't find the story now but I did read one yesterday where they consulted a lawyer who specializes in defamation law and he said what I said earlier; that if the jury could be convinced that anyone took (or could take) the doctor seriously, it stands to reason that it could be ruled defamation.

Which is why I said "subjective" when you said "it was clearly meant to be humor".
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-06-25 10:33:11  
Ramyrez said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
The bigger story is that a couple of doctors were joking around and are being sued for defamation because of it. Defamation usually includes a motive of ill will or harm to the victim which is malicious...

Can't find the story now but I did read one yesterday where they consulted a lawyer who specializes in defamation law and he said what I said earlier; that if the jury could be convinced that anyone took (or could take) the doctor seriously, it stands to reason that it could be ruled defamation.

Which is why I said "subjective" when you said "it was clearly meant to be humor".

So all the malicious stuff you say to me, all I need to do is take it seriously and I get your money?
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By fonewear 2015-06-25 10:34:01  
The legal threshold for defamation is "ouch my feels" !
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-25 10:35:09  
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So all the malicious stuff you say to me, all I need to do is take it seriously and I get your money?

Not exactly.

For one, you'd have to not say inflammatory and insulting things in the first place.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-06-25 10:36:38  
Ramyrez said: »
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So all the malicious stuff you say to me, all I need to do is take it seriously and I get your money?

Not exactly.

For one, you'd have to not say inflammatory and insulting things in the first place.

C'mon I'm pretty sure I could find a lawyer that would successfully paint you into the "hater" corner and successfully object to any of your evidence exhibits.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-25 10:39:10  
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C'mon I'm pretty sure I could find a lawyer that would successfully paint you into the "hater" corner and successfully object to any of your evidence exhibits.

You can find a lawyer to defend a confessed rapist, torturer, and murder.

That's not the point.

Also, I'd have to be lying, and I'm convinced everything I've ever said to and about you is true.


Edit: Also, you, like Flavin, appear to just be in a mood to be contrary today. Why don't you two find a private thread or something!
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-06-25 10:45:36  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Here I was thinkning I might just get along with you today...

Silly me.

I'm not ignoring it, it just isn't news. She falsified records and is appropriately punished for it.

The bigger story is that a couple of doctors were joking around and are being sued for defamation because of it. Defamation usually includes a motive of ill will or harm to the victim which is malicious. Delivery and intent of the speaker matter.

you either need some coffee this morning or have drank too much of it already.
Dodged a bullet there...

It is news and its honestly news for the wrong reason as it focuses more on the "they made fun of him". It should be news though and she was not appropriately punished for it if she's still allowed to practice medicince.

Again, The suit brought forth was for more than defamation. It was only part of it which could have been ignored but as you may not know jurors are pretty vindictive a-holes. They go over and explain how the defamation charge passed being that they spoke in front of others that were in the room and also spoke out of the scope of the procedure they were performing. Blame our legal system because juries have awarded many verdicts that they shouldn't have on both sides of the coin because of what they relate to as opposed to the facts on hand.

You can even see it in their reasoning for awarding what they did.

Also, defamation has nothing to do with ill will and from what I understand you don't have to show any ill will. It mostly just has to be proven that a false statement was made and that it caused damage to reputation. Intent may be a factor for the jury to consider but you don't need to prove intent to do harm to prove defamation.
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By fonewear 2015-06-25 10:56:10  
I'd hire Lionel Hutz the best attorney ever !


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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-06-25 10:58:39  
Ramyrez said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
I honestly don't know what to say about your pages upon pages of randomness, but if you're going to snidely make mention of this for "safe keeping", the least you could do is explain why anyone should care about your beloved button. :)

Clearly you're incompetent for not being able to extrapolate with your feeble liberal mind the same bias, raving, utterly mad conclusion he reached.

We should all make the conclusions of our arguments an outdated political button!

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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-06-25 11:04:44  
Just in case you thought there was freedom of anything in France....

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Sankaku Complex Banned in France: “Anime = Child Porn!”
No link. Can't link Sankaku Complex here.

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France’s reaction to the Islamist butchery of Charlie Hebdo staff for artwork unacceptable to Islam has been to ban Sankaku Complex in France, apparently for artwork unacceptable to the French government – with traffic from French users now being hijacked and redirected to a government warning page as part of its newly enacted internet censorship regime.

France has finally joined such bastions of liberty as Russia, China and much of the Islamic world in opting to ban its citizens from viewing material which might harm their fragile little minds, erecting a virtual Maginot line against the evils of 2D artwork.

According to mainstream news reports, France is cracking down on Islamist attacks on freedom of expression by cracking down on freedom of expression in France, attacking sites deemed to be supporting terrorism and child pornography with blocks forced on local ISPs.

Which sites are blocked are – in the best traditions of secret police actions – secret, but Sankaku Complex is amongst them (along with Islamic State affiliated sites, perhaps illustrating the severity of the threat posed by Japanese visual culture to the Fifth Republic).

With no public scrutiny or judicial oversight of any kind, France’s attack on the free exchange of information within its borders has already been criticised as a violation of Article 8 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Sadly, that hysteria over terrorism and child pornography have been yet again exploited as an excuse to implement an unaccountable Internet censorship system which can rapidly be expanded to block any content the state does not approve of is now hardly surprising, although that a zealous attack specifically designed to destroy free artistic expression has prompted those being attacked to zealously attack it themselves certainly introduces some novel irony to the situation.

Affected visitors to Sankaku Channel only received a warning message making claims that the site is hosting child pornography (such as the works of Jean-Léon Gérôme, no doubt):

The complete text of the ministère de l’intérieur’s original block warning, which for some reason is in French:

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Vous avez été redirigé vers cette page du site du ministère de l’Intérieur car vous avez tenté de vous connecter à un site comportant des images de pornographie enfantine.

Pourquoi ?
- Pour protéger la dignité des victimes des abus visibles sur ces images.
- Pour protéger les internautes et notamment les plus jeunes, afin qu’ils ne se trouvent pas confrontés à des images choquantes.
- Pour que les personnes qui tentent de visionner ces images puissent prendre conscience de la gravité de leur attirance.
- Pour lutter contre les sites qui marchandent ces images.
Cette redirection est conforme à l’article 6-1 de la loi du 21 juin 2004 pour la confiance dans l’économie numérique, modifiée par la loi du 13 novembre 2014 renforçant les dispositions relatives à la lutte contre le terrorisme.
Si vous estimez que la page bloquée n’est pas illicite, vous pouvez contester la présente décision. Pour connaître les voies et délais de recours, cliquez ici.

Votre redirection vers cette page d’information ne signifie pas que vous allez faire l’objet de poursuites judiciaires. Cependant, la pornographie enfantine et sa consultation habituelle sont interdites par la loi.
Que dit l’article 6-1 de la loi du 21 juin 2004 pour la confiance dans l’économie numérique ?
L’autorité administrative peut demander à l’éditeur ou à l’hébergeur d’un contenu pédopornographique de le retirer.
Si l’éditeur et l’hébergeur du contenu illicite refusent de le retirer ou s’ils ne sont pas joignables, l’autorité administrative peut en demander le blocage aux fournisseurs d’accès à Internet.
La liste des adresses bloquées est élaborée par des enquêteurs de la direction centrale de la police judiciaire.
Les demandes de retrait et de blocage formulées par l’autorité administrative sont contrôlées par une personnalité qualifiée et indépendante.

Que prévoit l’article 227-23 du code pénal ?
Enregistrer, copier ou diffuser une image de pornographie enfantine est interdit par loi et punissable d’emprisonnement.
Cette interdiction concerne les photographies et les vidéos et également les images de synthèse, dessins et animations.
Il suffit de consulter des images de pornographie enfantine sur Internet pour enfreindre la loi. Consulter de telles images encourage les éditeurs de pornographie enfantine à produire plus d’images.
En cas de doute sur l’âge des personnes figurant sur des images pornographiques, il ne faut pas les visualiser, ni les enregistrer.
The content that so offended the French censors as to warrant such treatment remains unknown – no warning, notification or other communication of any kind was received by Sankaku Complex from the French authorities, and no recourse has been offered.

With almost 5 million posts on the affected subdomain, almost all of which are comprised of 2D artwork legal in all but the most backwardly repressive of jurisdictions, just what exactly provoked both such a grossly indiscriminate response and Sankaku Complex now sharing a distinction formerly only enjoyed by sites advocating global jihad is a mystery.

Indeed, the first indication of any kind that the site was blocked only came in the form of complaints from French users about their inability to access the site, and their shock at being confronted by a state block in their supposedly free nation.

Other popular sites hosting 2D artwork of a not infrequently adult nature (not least Pixiv and NicoNico Seiga, as well as various related English language sites) seem to have escaped the proscription, suggesting the censors are idiots as well as fascists.

The block affects the entire Sankaku Channel subdomain, though not other subdomains of the site, meaning users will be still be able to access certain parts of the site (including, hopefully, this news article), at least until the French interior deems them subversive and blocks them too.

As Sankaku Complex now encrypts all traffic by default to better protect the security and privacy of its users, most censored users will not see anything but an error message when accessing the site with HTTPS (as such encryption prevents governments and criminals from masquerading as the site), but traffic from affected users accessing the HTTP version of the site will be hijacked and they will be confronted by a warning.

In the best tradition of pointless censorship, the block is trivial to circumvent – France has apparently chosen the “DNS poisoning” method of censorship to implement its regime, forcing collaborator ISPs (though apparently not all of them are affected) to hijack lookups of proscribed domains and misdirect visitors to the government’s warning page.

Much as in Russia or other such enlightened nations, using a VPN is enough to completely bypass the block and prevent state spying on private communications; using a DNS server not beholden to the French government is another (very easy) option – Google provides freely available and uncensored DNS servers to all those trapped in less free nations.
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By fonewear 2015-06-25 11:06:31  
Stopped reading after "anime" !
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By fonewear 2015-06-25 11:11:29  
I've seen enough anime that to say it is normal is insulting to the term normal !
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2015-06-25 11:11:48  
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Hear that Zeig? 50k is getting off easy!
Hey, context matters! If I were your doctor and did that to you, I sure deserve getting sued IMHO.

I did question the fine though. It's excessive.

P.S. I'm a physician.
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By Jetackuu 2015-06-25 11:26:55  
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“Anime = Child Porn!”
Quite frankly surprised that more parts of the US haven't done this kind of thing in general to manga and anime or even some drawings of other forms.

It's all freedom of expression until you hurt some helicopter Mom's feels.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-25 11:33:31  
Adult-themed anime/art gets away with a lot of questionable content that would otherwise be put down hard in the young/young-appearing people department it contains.

I've been seeing comments about this all the way back into the 90s.

It's survived thusfar. But who knows.

Helicopter moms are the rule of the day.
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By Cerberus.Laconic 2015-06-25 11:33:33  
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Ramyrez said: »
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I honestly don't know what to say about your pages upon pages of randomness, but if you're going to snidely make mention of this for "safe keeping", the least you could do is explain why anyone should care about your beloved button. :)

Clearly you're incompetent for not being able to extrapolate with your feeble liberal mind the same bias, raving, utterly mad conclusion he reached.

We should all make the conclusions of our arguments an outdated political button!


I didn't realize Ike's crazy wife was running for president and that she was against peace progress and prosperity. I was also unaware of the previous 5 pages of I like IKE debate.

To the internet to find the IKE lineage! Then write a paragraph about how none of it pertains to anything at all!
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