Random Politics & Religion #00

Alright boys and girls.

The south seceded from the north since 6 southern states didn't get to vote in the Abraham Lincoln election which he won with a mere 40% popular vote, of all states that did vote. None of the southern states that did vote gave electoral votes to Lincoln .

That was the final straw to a series of events. The south being taxed more than the north for imports and denied free trade with overseas country's because the north imposed heavy tariffs. "Interesting that the people commenting against the confederate flag want free trade and oppose tariffs" Then we get into nullification and states rights. The south was concerned that the industrialization "that ironically it brought to fruition with the cotton industry" and rapid growth of the north "helped by heavy tariffs" would limit their voice, which it did.

The south knew its army was heavily outnumbered, its manufacturing wasn't even close to the north, and it had a quarter of the railroad miles. The north was producing all the firearms before the war even started.

The Confederate Battle Flag is the ultimate rally cry for the insubmissive rebel that wants his voice to be heard.

Second only to Old Glory.

American women responsible for their own actions?! What bizarre place do you live in?

Yeah. And in every single thing you mentioned was the shadow of slavery and racism.

I believe that you, and others for that matter think that there are so many reasons beyond slavery and racism. (I'm not back peddling, but you're going to call it that, so I'll give you a pre-emptive "you're welcome" here.) But I'm sorry, even if it does stand for positive things, it's tainted by one of the biggest stains on this country's history there is, and no amount of revisionism or wishful thinking is going to change that.

Find a better symbol.

Fly a flag of an extended middle finger pointed at Obama, for all I care.

That, at least, you could make a more reasonable argument that it has little to do with race.

Somewhat oddly, I don't live on the internet, where sensationalism and extremism rule.

In the real world people are held responsible for their actions all the time. The less money you have, the more responsible you are!

Enough with your wealth shamming.

Pffh. I'm protected. I'm not shaming anyone.

I'm just sayin'.

Try getting caught with some rock if you're not a celebrity!

I knew what you were trying to do, but wasn't impressed by it. You hardly ever ask questions, you just let out a blanket decree, arguing against what you wanted to hear instead of what I (anyone) actually said.

Why does one have to win a war in order to decide to fly a flag? Why does that matter? Are you suggesting that because it lost it can only be a symbol of loosing or surrender? If so why can't other people interpret it differently?

I understand quite well that there are people to whom the flag is ONLY a symbol of racism. Given that it commonly known as the "rebel" flag, I'm not quite sure the mechanism involved in how people still arrive at their "slavery" edict. I understand they have different interpretations of it. I merely disagree with them. Because I am open minded I accept their opinion as their own, they are allowed to think whatever they want. There are only interpretations ignorant of and with knowledge of history and context. Neither are anymore right or wrong than the other, However, to suggest that because it is offensive to one particular person or group of people it not be permitted (which is what is going on in the media narrative) and be banned from the public square, that is narrow mindedness.

Gotta love this feels revisionist history too.

*burns PA to the ground*

That will go unmentioned, of course!

You speak of revisionism but have it backwards my misguided friend.

Let Apu explain the causes of civil war.

Works for me, but when I get flak for it I'm saying it was your idea.

Then you are severely deficient in deductive reasonging skills.

Right on.

Called it.



But seriously.

The bottom line is that if the South had won, they'd have kept their slavery system, and that alone is all you need to know to associate that flag with that shitstain on this country for all time.

Just say slavery could have saved us about 3 pages of discussion !

I want to take over Georgia get me some peaches !

Love the internet first result of Georgia Peach is a pregnant cam girl lol.

Few union soldiers actually got a chance to see a confederate "battle" flag... they're hard to spot on the ground, trampled by confederate forces that spent most of their time retreating like pansies.

you a~holes have been squawking about how "the south will rise again" for 150 years now and our reply remains the same.

you are more than welcome to try again.

/makes the bring it on gesture

You do know that Google is really smart now, right?

I bet it just knows that's the first thing you wanted to see for that search...

Guess I haven't cleared the cookies in my browser for a long time !

It is scary that the internet knows me better than I know myself !

I'm sure you've got a lot of... cookies... in your browser history.

When I think of the South this comes to mind:

You do realize that slavery was dieing a slow death and if the north had not pushed the south all this crap over racism and slavery would more than likely have been over 100yrs ago. The threshing machine and early combine were already starting to become popular right before the cival war. Slavery was quite literally starting to become more of a problem than it was worth.

But the North had to go and do this.
Your reasoning for "all you need to know" is the problem with this country in its current state. People need to stop being told what to think and actually think for themselves.

Your little I guess rant? Brought up a good point. People do not say the south will rise again because they want slaves!

I Win, you all lose. Good day.

***, 33 states voted, some chose to leave Lincoln off the ballot. Thats not the same as "not getting to vote."



This is what history teachers call "fluff" and what TA's call bullshitting. No mention of the Wilmot Proviso, the Compromise of 1850, the Kansas-Nebraska Act, Bleeding Kansas, John Brown, Dred Scott, or the term "abolitionist." I guess those things just didn't have any impact.


More fluff. How is this relevant?


No, its not.