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Random Politics & Religion #00
By Enuyasha 2015-06-21 16:17:06
Get rid of all guns in the world, gun violence ceases, but non-gun violence skyrockets.
Because people are very creative in how to kill one another.... Well, when people become creative enough to kill a large amount of people effectively with a knife or other close range weapon, I think we will have evolved past the need for firearms in general at that point.
But anyway, contextual point made.
Also like, we'd have to question psychological health and what those people did to trigger that response, since killing someone with bludgeoning or stabbing is more of a thing with extreme feelings. Normal people wont exactly stab someone unless they have a "good" reason to. Its more emotionally separated when one uses a weapon at range to mow down people.
Edit: I CLAIM THIS PAGE IN THE NAME OF OUR FURTHER EVOLVED SPEED STABBING OVERLORDS!!!!
By Jetackuu 2015-06-21 16:22:23
Or do you think mass shootings are just fine and you don't care? Or some find that it's the price one pays to have the freedom that they'd rather die for than to let go.
I wish these nut bags would start using explosions more, then we could stop having this stupid discussion.
By Enuyasha 2015-06-21 16:25:56
Or do you think mass shootings are just fine and you don't care? Or some find that it's the price one pays to have the freedom that they'd rather die for than to let go.
I wish these nut bags would start using explosions more, then we could stop having this stupid discussion. The obvious answer here would be to make mental health care more accessible and equip people with the necessary tools to handle themselves without violence. But yea, dont take muh guns bro, i need them to defend myself against the other psychopaths with guns.
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By Jetackuu 2015-06-21 16:27:59
Or do you think mass shootings are just fine and you don't care? Or some find that it's the price one pays to have the freedom that they'd rather die for than to let go.
I wish these nut bags would start using explosions more, then we could stop having this stupid discussion. But yea, dont take muh guns bro, i need them to defend myself against the other psychopaths with guns.
Did you just assert that every gun owner is a psychopath? (rhetorical).
I suggested the bold awhile ago, well alluded it, didn't state it outright.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-21 16:32:50
Get rid of all guns in the world, gun violence ceases, but non-gun violence skyrockets.
Because people are very creative in how to kill one another....
Other types do sometimes go up, but not remotely as much as to fill the void. Total violent crime is lower in virtually all countries that don't guarantee the right to own guns.
Besides, you are almost as likely to have your home invaded by the police as an armed criminal. The same goes for being a victim of a mass shooting vs being shot by police. Unless you're an affluent white person of course.
By Enuyasha 2015-06-21 16:35:14
Or do you think mass shootings are just fine and you don't care? Or some find that it's the price one pays to have the freedom that they'd rather die for than to let go.
I wish these nut bags would start using explosions more, then we could stop having this stupid discussion. But yea, dont take muh guns bro, i need them to defend myself against the other psychopaths with guns.
Did you just assert that every gun owner is a psychopath? (rhetorical).
I suggested the bold awhile ago, well alluded it, didn't state it outright. You can take it that way, if you want to jump to that conclusion when the context is "Nutbags using guns instead of explosives"
But really, if we want to like, make The Second Amendment relevant again: Its purpose is to arm people and train them so they can be used effectively in a local militia to check the military. So like, instead of forcing people to mandatory agree to be drafted at 18 lets make it mandatory voluntary to register with your local militia instead. You know, if we could actually form militias...because the Supreme Court was like "No, thats not what that says".
The idea that just anyone can own guns for their own purposes is what leads us to this whole debacle, because not everyones own agenda is to hunt, defend, or use for sport. Some people like, you know, kill people with guns because they want to kill people.
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By Cerberus.Laconic 2015-06-21 19:36:20
But really, if we want to like, make The Second Amendment relevant again: Its purpose is to arm people and train them so they can be used effectively in a local militia to check the military. So like, instead of forcing people to mandatory agree to be drafted at 18 lets make it mandatory voluntary to register with your local militia instead.
How do you get that out of this?
Quote: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. You know, if we could actually form militias...because the Supreme Court was like "No, thats not what that says".
How are so many people in the militia then? You know since you say they don't exist?
The idea that just anyone can own guns for their own purposes is what leads us to this whole debacle, because not everyones own agenda is to hunt, defend, or use for sport.
Exactly what part of Shall not be Infringed do you not understand?
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-21 20:08:55
The constitution has been amended 33 times. The point of the amendment process is to make it a living document, able to change with the times. We've added and repealed amendments. We've even passed laws and amendments to limit some of the original ten. The supreme court decision that affirmed the second amendment in the sense of private citizens being able to own guns outside the purpose of securing the state noted the original purpose. Some people would call you a hypocrite for saying the supreme court doesn't have the power to interpret the constitution but cling to one of those interpretations. The fact is that the 2nd amendment is already infringed by background checks and felony exclusions and you propose further infringing it by excluding people with mental illnesses.
You care about civil liberties when they're yours. Why are all the other amendments subject to change? What makes owning a gun more important than free speech or due process? Why is the 2nd amendment the only one that's off limits to rational thought?
By Jetackuu 2015-06-21 20:15:50
It's the only one that says "shall not be infringed." But quite frankly as far as I'm concerned all attempts to infringe on rights should be met with the same resistance.
1st amendment violations through the 10th. It's also why I find that those that signed the patriot act are traitors, but hey.
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By Bahamut.Omael 2015-06-21 20:18:08
You care about civil liberties when they're yours. Why are all the other amendments subject to change? What makes owning a gun more important than free speech or due process? Why is the 2nd amendment the only one that's off limits to rational thought?
According to the FW:FW:FW:FW:FW: emails I keep getting from my family, if something happens to the 2nd amendment we'll all be retroactively gay married under Socialist-Sharia law.
By Jetackuu 2015-06-21 20:18:55
You care about civil liberties when they're yours. Why are all the other amendments subject to change? What makes owning a gun more important than free speech or due process? Why is the 2nd amendment the only one that's off limits to rational thought?
According to the FW:FW:FW:FW:FW: emails I keep getting from my family, if something happens to the 2nd amendment we'll all be retroactively gay married under Socialist-Sharia law. *** it, let's repeal that ***then!
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By Bahamut.Omael 2015-06-21 20:21:35
You care about civil liberties when they're yours. Why are all the other amendments subject to change? What makes owning a gun more important than free speech or due process? Why is the 2nd amendment the only one that's off limits to rational thought?
According to the FW:FW:FW:FW:FW: emails I keep getting from my family, if something happens to the 2nd amendment we'll all be retroactively gay married under Socialist-Sharia law. *** it, let's repeal that ***then!
I'll get the cakes.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-06-21 20:30:22
Well, when people become creative enough to kill a large amount of people effectively with a knife or other close range weapon, I think we will have evolved past the need for firearms in general at that point. Kaczynski says hi.
And I'm sure that every single person who purposefully and maliciously kills people "creatively" without the use of firearms would also say hi too.
Other types do sometimes go up, but not remotely as much as to fill the void. Total violent crime is lower in virtually all countries that don't guarantee the right to own guns. 
And I'm certain a study has been produced by now on this...
Besides, you are almost as likely to have your home invaded by the police as an armed criminal.
/incoming "I'm not doing your research for you" excuse.
The same goes for being a victim of a mass shooting vs being shot by police. I'll give you that one.
But you are much much much more likely to be shot by a thug and/or criminal than by being a victim in a mass shooting and being shot by police together.
Unless you're an affluent white person of course. 
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By Cerberus.Laconic 2015-06-21 20:35:53
The constitution has been amended 33 times. The point of the amendment process is to make it a living document, able to change with the times. We've added and repealed amendments. We've even passed laws and amendments to limit some of the original ten.
Why even mention this? Congress is so divided nowadays nothing, especially the 2nd amendment would ever go through this process now. Nobody even said anything was wrong with the amendment process anyways. More deflection?
The supreme court decision that affirmed the second amendment in the sense of private citizens being able to own guns outside the purpose of securing the state noted the original purpose. Some people would call you a hypocrite for saying the supreme court doesn't have the power to interpret the constitution but cling to one of those interpretations. Those people would be lying since I've never said that... Ever..
The fact is that the 2nd amendment is already infringed by background checks and felony exclusions and you propose further infringing it by excluding people with mental illnesses. That is called compromise. Something any rational person should never be against. Also, something anti-gun, anti-rights people take for granted.
You care about civil liberties when they're yours. Assumptions and lies.
Why are all the other amendments subject to change? Because that is the way our Founding Fathers made it.
What makes owning a gun more important than free speech or due process? The 2nd protects the 1st.
Why is the 2nd amendment the only one that's off limits to rational thought? It's not, as stated above. It is just harder to change sense "Thank God" More rational minded people believe it is needed.
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By Cerberus.Laconic 2015-06-21 20:51:46
Just for fun. Let us say that the 2nd amendment somehow gets repealed tomorrow. Wanna take a guess on what would happen?
"Inb4: Nothing." That's just lazy.
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By Siren.Fattynoob 2015-06-21 20:56:31
tldr: don't keep a fire extinguisher in your home if you aren't expecting a fire. safety precautions are stupid.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-06-21 20:57:26
Kind of like baiting an argument over gender in a Father's Day thread, huh? Shameless.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-21 21:07:25
It's the only one that says "shall not be infringed." But quite frankly as far as I'm concerned all attempts to infringe on rights should be met with the same resistance.
1st amendment violations through the 10th. It's also why I find that those that signed the patriot act are traitors, but hey.
Actually, several amendments have near identical language, including the word infringed. But whatever.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-21 21:14:10
The constitution has been amended 33 times. The point of the amendment process is to make it a living document, able to change with the times. We've added and repealed amendments. We've even passed laws and amendments to limit some of the original ten.
Why even mention this? Congress is so divided nowadays nothing, especially the 2nd amendment would ever go through this process now. Nobody even said anything was wrong with the amendment process anyways. More deflection?
The supreme court decision that affirmed the second amendment in the sense of private citizens being able to own guns outside the purpose of securing the state noted the original purpose. Some people would call you a hypocrite for saying the supreme court doesn't have the power to interpret the constitution but cling to one of those interpretations. Those people would be lying since I've never said that... Ever..
The fact is that the 2nd amendment is already infringed by background checks and felony exclusions and you propose further infringing it by excluding people with mental illnesses. That is called compromise. Something any rational person should never be against. Also, something anti-gun, anti-rights people take for granted.
You care about civil liberties when they're yours. Assumptions and lies.
Why are all the other amendments subject to change? Because that is the way our Founding Fathers made it.
What makes owning a gun more important than free speech or due process? The 2nd protects the 1st.
Why is the 2nd amendment the only one that's off limits to rational thought? It's not, as stated above. It is just harder to change sense "Thank God" More rational minded people believe it is needed.
My reply was to jet, not you.
By fonewear 2015-06-21 21:16:26
I was going to read but that always gets me into trouble !
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By Cerberus.Laconic 2015-06-21 21:42:10
My reply was to jet, not you.
Obviously.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-21 22:00:29
It wasn't obvious... Obviously! ^_^
By Jetackuu 2015-06-21 22:09:50
It's the only one that says "shall not be infringed." But quite frankly as far as I'm concerned all attempts to infringe on rights should be met with the same resistance.
1st amendment violations through the 10th. It's also why I find that those that signed the patriot act are traitors, but hey.
Actually, several amendments have near identical language, including the word infringed. But whatever. No, they don't. But whatever.
Article (Amendment 1 - Freedom of expression and religion) 13
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Article [II] (Amendment 2 - Bearing Arms)
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Article [III] (Amendment 3 - Quartering Soldiers)
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Article [IV] (Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure)
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Article [V] (Amendment 5 - Rights of Persons)
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Article [VI] (Amendment 6 - Rights of Accused in Criminal Prosecutions)
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
Article [VII] (Amendment 7 - Civil Trials)
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Article [VIII] (Amendment 8 - Further Guarantees in Criminal Cases)
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Article [IX] (Amendment 9 - Unenumerated Rights)
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Article [X] (Amendment 10 - Reserved Powers)
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Attest,
John Beckley, Clerk of the House of Representatives.
Sam. A. Otis Secretary of the Senate.
Frederick Augustus Muhlenberg Speaker of the House of Representatives.
John Adams, Vice-President of the United States, and President of the Senate.
(end of the Bill of Rights)
[Article XI] (Amendment 11 - Suits Against States)
The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects of any Foreign State. ratified #11 affects 10
[Article XII] (Amendment 12 - Election of President)
The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;—The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;—The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.14 —The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States. ratified #12 affects 8
Article XIII (Amendment 13 - Slavery and Involuntary Servitude)
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. affects 11
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. ratified #13
Article XIV (Amendment 14 - Rights Guaranteed: Privileges and Immunities of Citizenship, Due Process, and Equal Protection)
1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
2: Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age,15 and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State. affects 2
3: No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
4: The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
5: The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. ratified #14
Article XV (Amendment 15 - Rights of Citizens to Vote)
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. ratified #15
Article XVI (Amendment 16 - Income Tax)
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration. ratified #16 affects 2
[Article XVII] (Amendment 17 - Popular Election of Senators)
1: The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures. affects 3
2: When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct. affects 4
3: This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution. ratified #17
Article [XVIII] (Amendment 18 - Prohibition of Intoxicating Liquors)16
1: After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.
2: The Congress and the several States shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
3: This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress. ratified #18
Article [XIX] (Amendment 19 - Women's Suffrage Rights)
The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. affects 15
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. ratified #19
Article [XX] (Amendment 20 - Terms of President, Vice President, Members of Congress: Presidential Vacancy)
1: The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin. affects 5
2: The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day. affects 5
3: If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified. affects 9 affects 14
4: The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them. affects 9
5: Sections 1 and 2 shall take effect on the 15th day of October following the ratification of this article.
6: This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission. ratified #20
Article [XXI] (Amendment 21 - Repeal of Eighteenth Amendment)
1: The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed. affects 16
2: The transportation or importation into any State, Territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited.
3: This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress. ratified #21
Amendment XXII (Amendment 22 - Presidential Tenure)
1: No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
2: This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of its submission to the states by the Congress. ratified #22
Amendment XXIII (Amendment 23 - Presidential Electors for the District of Columbia)
1: The District constituting the seat of government of the United States shall appoint in such manner as the Congress may direct: A number of electors of President and Vice President equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives in Congress to which the District would be entitled if it were a state, but in no event more than the least populous state; they shall be in addition to those appointed by the states, but they shall be considered, for the purposes of the election of President and Vice President, to be electors appointed by a state; and they shall meet in the District and perform such duties as provided by the twelfth article of amendment.
2: The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. ratified #23
Amendment XXIV (Amendment 24 - Abolition of the Poll Tax Qualification in Federal Elections)
1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. ratified #24
Amendment XXV affects 9 (Amendment 25 - Presidential Vacancy, Disability, and Inability)
1: In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.
2: Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
3: Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.
4: Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office. ratified #25
Amendment XXVI (Amendment 26 - Reduction of Voting Age Qualification)
1: The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of age. affects 15
2: The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. ratified #26
Amendment XXVII (Amendment 27 - Congressional Pay Limitation)
No law varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives shall take effect until an election of Representatives shall have intervened. ratified #27
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By Cerberus.Laconic 2015-06-21 23:06:42
I was going to say something about that but it seems I'm not allowed to comment if the post isn't directed at me.
I Shall not be Ignored.
They really liked Shall not be and just Shall. But only used Infringed once.
One would think someone who posts crap like this.
You're the last person who gets to question others' knowledge. Would be a little more knowledgeable about important subjects such as this.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-21 23:51:35
My apologies. Denied or abridged is used about a half a dozen times in the same manner and has the same meaning in legal context. Please continue to defend the right to bear arms based on the same logic you decry in virtually every other situation.
I just find it funny that you justify infringement when it doesn't affect you, but even the assertion that mass shootings don't take place with near the frequency anywhere else in the world gets you all up in arms about the 2nd amendment.
The statistic are easily found. In 2014 there were about 16,000 reported home invasions including burglary and assaults. There were almost 20,000 no-knock warrants served in the same year. I said almost as likely, it appears you're more likely.
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By Cerberus.Laconic 2015-06-22 01:09:59
based on the same logic you decry in virtually every other situation. Please name one.
I just find it funny that you justify infringement when it doesn't affect you What are you going on about now?
"I sense you being a huge hypocrite incoming."
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-22 01:21:55
based on the same logic you decry in virtually every other situation. Please name one.
I just find it funny that you justify infringement when it doesn't affect you What are you going on about now?
"I sense you being a huge hypocrite incoming."
Still not talking to you, bud... Obviously
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By Cerberus.Laconic 2015-06-22 01:35:38
Ahh. Well then.. His thought patterns about this topic surprise me as well. Very how do you say.. hypocritical.
But in a good way, I guess.. He is confusing to say the least.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-22 01:57:39
Back on topic, I'm still not seeing that mental health issue applying to the case in SC. I mean yeah he was a loner in his later years (had friends growing up so not a mental disorder), and was taking medication for heroin addiction, but no SSRI (or Prozac) link. Meaning worse case scenario he was perhaps a little depressed or lonely, did some recreational drugs, then got caught with the latest incarnation of methadone for his addiction. Really all you can accuse him of is being a hater of blacks, but even that only occurred within the past 1.5-2 years.
Unless his mental diagnosis has been released...?
I'm not seeing how a background check would have stopped him as for all intensive purposes he would have passed.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-22 02:02:45
So like what's the cut off point? If you have less than 3 friends and do not engage with them socially for at least 5 hours a week, you can't get a gun?
Smoke pot, but did cocaine, so no gun?
What drugs are you allowed to get caught with and with ones are you not allowed to get caught with to be denied a gun?
Should police be checking your Instagram and Facebook pages to determine if you get a gun?
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