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By fonewear 2015-06-11 20:29:01  
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-unveil-talk-mom-strategy-campaign-rally/story?id=31706976

TLDR: Hillary is going to do something...with her mom


How many times can you re-introduce yourself...
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-06-11 21:43:05  
fonewear said: »
Compatibilism is the belief that free will and determinism are compatible ideas, and that it is possible to believe both without being logically inconsistent. Compatibilists believe freedom can be present or absent in situations for reasons that have nothing to do with metaphysics (lot of words to say believe in free will)

(also believe in cannibalism)
When TF did you get that ******* deep Fone?

But I am pleased you fulfilled your new year's resolution.

Odin.Jassik said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Hope 'n Change II: Bernie wants you!

...to donate money to his campaign that is most certainly going to go bankrupt.
If he doesn't place high in the first few primaries, his grass roots donation setup will definitely be an uphill battle. The 2016 presidential campaigns are expected to raise more than 4 billion dollars.
He really hopes to drag Hillary to the left.

But Damn I SO want him to beat her.

Also see my LA Times quote earlier.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-11 22:43:16  
Garuda.Chanti said: »
He really hopes to drag Hillary to the left.


He's been pretty clear he's in it to win, though I'd imagine he'd consider that a secondary goal.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-06-12 01:12:31  
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Segregation is alive and well in America thanks largely to Democratic policies. Inner cities are disproportionately black compared to our population as a whole and there they remain stuck on the Democrat Plantation thanks to their unholy relationship with the public school unions, with their upside down tax base and fatally flawed economic policies. The suburbs are disproportionately white.

You don't have to look too hard to see segregation in America. Every city you go to I am sure you will find your white areas and your black areas.

It's a soft segregation. It is not mandatory but it happens as a natural result of Democratic social and economic policies.
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By fonewear 2015-06-12 06:31:33  
Garuda.Chanti said: »
fonewear said: »
Compatibilism is the belief that free will and determinism are compatible ideas, and that it is possible to believe both without being logically inconsistent. Compatibilists believe freedom can be present or absent in situations for reasons that have nothing to do with metaphysics (lot of words to say believe in free will)

(also believe in cannibalism)
When TF did you get that ******* deep Fone?

But I am pleased you fulfilled your new year's resolution.

Odin.Jassik said: »
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Hope 'n Change II: Bernie wants you!

...to donate money to his campaign that is most certainly going to go bankrupt.
If he doesn't place high in the first few primaries, his grass roots donation setup will definitely be an uphill battle. The 2016 presidential campaigns are expected to raise more than 4 billion dollars.
He really hopes to drag Hillary to the left.

But Damn I SO want him to beat her.

Also see my LA Times quote earlier.

I've had an interest in Philosophy for a while now. Nietzsche David Hume Descartes Sartre etc.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-12 07:25:53  
fonewear said: »
Actually I hear the most vile movie ever made is called: A Serbian Film. It is actually political movie too but gross !

HOW in the *** is that piece of *** "poltical"?

It's essentially a revolting snuff film that pushes the boundaries of basic human decency for blatant shock value.
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By fonewear 2015-06-12 07:29:00  
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fonewear said: »
Actually I hear the most vile movie ever made is called: A Serbian Film. It is actually political movie too but gross !

HOW in the *** is that piece of *** "poltical"?

It's essentially a revolting snuff film that pushes the boundaries of basic human decency for blatant shock value.

Well it falls into "artsy" is supposedly based on the Serbian war. The entire movie is a metaphor. All the child rape and necrophilia represents the war...
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-12 07:32:32  
fonewear said: »
Ramyrez said: »
fonewear said: »
Actually I hear the most vile movie ever made is called: A Serbian Film. It is actually political movie too but gross !

HOW in the *** is that piece of *** "poltical"?

It's essentially a revolting snuff film that pushes the boundaries of basic human decency for blatant shock value.

Well it falls into "artsy" is supposedly based on the Serbian war. The entire movie is a metaphor. All the child rape and necrophilia represents the war...

...there is nothing artistic about it. It lacks nuance. It lacks anything resembling cultural value. It's a shrine to the depravity of people like Ed Gein and John Wayne Gacy. All the horrible things in it represent one thing: a filmmaker trying to shock people into thinking he's brilliant, when in fact it's just a bunch of snuff material to stimulate the jimmies of the truly depraved.

My friend is a horror movie buff and owns an original copy but won't watch it. It's almost like owning a rare wine; it's more valuable when not consumed.

Or maybe a more accurate analogy would be it's like having a sample of live anthrax. As long as you have it and keep it safely locked away no one else can use it improperly. But really it should probably just be incinerated.
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By fonewear 2015-06-12 07:33:36  
I don't like exploitation films in general. I mean I'm fine with horror but making it just to shock seems lazy to me. Instead of actually telling a story it is "look at this blood and guts"

I'm pretty sure I read Hostel is a political movie too. But when I watched it is seemed more like torture porn.
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By fonewear 2015-06-12 07:38:07  
It reminds me of the famous line. "What is art?" And I'll respond I'll tell you what isn't art. Modern art !

(at least modern art isn't "good art")
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-12 07:38:30  
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I don't like exploitation films in general. I mean I'm fine with horror but making it just to shock seems lazy to me. Instead of actually telling a story it is "look at this blood and guts"

Well, the aforementined friend has a fascination with filmmakers pushing boundaries, especially horror films, and he picked up the movie knowing vaguely what it was about and that it was hard to get ahold of physical copies. But once he found out the actual course of events in the movie he was hesitant to watch it, though this was a few years ago and I'm willing to bet that by now he's downed a few drinks and taken the plunge.

But he, another friend of ours, and I had a pretty in-depth discussion when he picked it up. The other friend actually has a degree in fine arts (don't laugh; he's one of the few who's actually "made it" in the field). And basically the three of us came to the conclusion (though the owner of the movie did so grudgingly) that it's really not so much any sort of valid work of art as much as...well, exactly what we've said here. Boundary-pushing filth solely for the sake of testing the limits of modern film audience's tolerance before they basically put the director on trial for crimes against humanity.

It's just...ugh. I am very anti-censorship, but that movie isn't worth the celluloid is was filmed on and frankly should serve as little more than an example of how not to make film of that genre.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-12 07:39:04  
fonewear said: »
It reminds me of the famous line. "What is art?" And I'll respond I'll tell you what isn't art. Modern art !

(at least modern art isn't "good art")

Except, really, "modern art" isn't really even modern anymore.
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By fonewear 2015-06-12 07:39:31  
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fonewear said: »
I don't like exploitation films in general. I mean I'm fine with horror but making it just to shock seems lazy to me. Instead of actually telling a story it is "look at this blood and guts"

Well, the aforementined friend has a fascination with filmmakers pushing boundaries, especially horror films, and he picked up the movie knowing vaguely what it was about and that it was hard to get ahold of physical copies. But once he found out the actual course of events in the movie he was hesitant to watch it, though this was a few years ago and I'm willing to bet that by now he's downed a few drinks and taken the plunge.

But he, another friend of ours, and I had a pretty in-depth discussion when he picked it up. The other friend actually has a degree in fine arts (don't laugh; he's one of the few who's actually "made it" in the field).

It's just...ugh. I am very anti-censorship, but that movie isn't worth the celluloid is was filmed on and frankly should serve as little more than an example of how not to make film of that genre.

That is how I feel about modern art. It doesn't belong with people like Matisse Van Gogh Monet etc
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By fonewear 2015-06-12 07:45:33  
Ramyrez said: »
fonewear said: »
It reminds me of the famous line. "What is art?" And I'll respond I'll tell you what isn't art. Modern art !

(at least modern art isn't "good art")

Except, really, "modern art" isn't really even modern anymore.

Yea it has be hijacked by the woman putting eggs in her vagina to plop them onto a piece of canvas...
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-12 07:56:30  
No one really considers it that way though, do they?

I mean, there are a few people that are very well known (Robert Indiana comes to mind), but overall how many modern artists can people outside of the field actually name?

I bet most people don't even know who Robert Indiana is, even though they'd assuredly recognize his most famous work.

That said, I've sort of always been the opposite of you; what makes those "classic" artists everyone knows so much better than their lesser-known contempories, or better than current artists who expand their genres?

I appreciate the classic greats, but sometimes feel like they're vastly overrated. What makes one painting worth tens or hundreds of millions and another worth $100 at a local art show, outside of name recognition?

I value art based on how a particular piece speaks to me, not based on the name attached.

Probably more of a discussion for over in the culture forum than P&R, but hey.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-12 07:57:20  
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Yea it has be hijacked by the woman putting eggs in her vagina to plop them onto a piece of canvas...

Yeah...not really my thing, but hey. If people want to pay here a bunch of money to do that, who am I to tell her not to make her money that way?
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By fonewear 2015-06-12 07:58:11  
I'm all for naked women and all but pretending there is a deep meaning into vagina egg plop yea not so much !
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By fonewear 2015-06-12 07:59:37  
The universal truth in art is if a woman is naked...it is art !

Normally if a man is naked and not in top physical shape... he is asked to put his clothes on.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-12 08:08:34  
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Normally if a man is naked and not in top physical shape... he is asked to put his clothes on.

You know, I get naked in public a few times and everyone keeps bringing it up...
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By Siren.Mosin 2015-06-12 08:13:31  
fone if you can't beat em' join em'...

let's get you a butt funnel & some oil based paints. I want 5%.
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By fonewear 2015-06-12 08:15:46  
See that is the thing if I was a woman I could exploit my body all the time and feminism would cheer me. As a man I'd just be called a pervert !
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By Siren.Mosin 2015-06-12 08:20:28  
not if we make you into a hipster! then they'll be too afraid of being lame if they didn't 'get' your 'art'.

just need to grow a soul patch & take up smoking, & I'll handle the rest.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-12 08:23:05  
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not if we make you into a hipster! then they'll be too afraid of being lame if they didn't 'get' your 'art'.

just need to grow a soul patch & take up smoking, & I'll handle the rest.

Modern hipsters have waxed moustaches, not soul patches.

But speaking of hipsters, pretty good article here.

The hipster is dead, and you might not like who comes next

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What do we call me? I’m a 26-year-old writer who lives in a gentrifying neighborhood in Brooklyn. I’m a straight white man with a single-speed bike and a mustache. I studied liberal arts in college, and I have ideas about stuff, you guys.

Millennial? Hipster? Yuppie? All of these, or none? We don’t have a term that quite encapsulates this corner of the despicable millenn-intelligensia. And like any other privileged member of a so-called “creative class,” being called a hipster offends me for its inaccuracy. I demand to be snarked in precise terms.

Let's consider something new: Yuccies. Young Urban Creatives. In a nutshell, a slice of Generation Y, borne of suburban comfort, indoctrinated with the transcendent power of education, and infected by the conviction that not only do we deserve to pursue our dreams; we should profit from them.
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By Siren.Mosin 2015-06-12 08:24:13  
Ramyrez said: »
Modern hipsters have waxed moustaches, not soul patches.

thanks damp towel! it's been a long time since I lived anywhere of consequence, so it's hard for me to tell anymore.
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By Siren.Mosin 2015-06-12 08:26:16  
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What do we call me?

an indignant little puke!!!

(not you, the subject of your article)
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-06-12 08:31:32  
Now I want to watch A Serbian Film.

Worse than Cannibal Holocaust? You don't go throwing that around lightly.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-12 08:34:42  
Siren.Mosin said: »
Ramyrez said: »
What do we call me?

an indignant little puke!!!

(not you, the subject of your article)

While I personally enjoy that my asthetic has become somewhat more fashionable as of late, I had it before and I'll be keeping it well after. It was never entirely compatable with hipsters anyhow.

That and I hate Apple, the love of which is like, a key aspect of hipsters.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-12 08:35:03  
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Now I want to watch A Serbian Film.

Worse than Cannibal Holocaust? You don't go throwing that around lightly.

...just read the Wiki on it.

You'll feel gross enough...
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-06-12 08:38:50  
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That said, I've sort of always been the opposite of you; what makes those "classic" artists everyone knows so much better than their lesser-known contempories, or better than current artists who expand their genres?
And this is why I hated art history class(was my only subject I had below sufficiency cause I refused to study it, also because of the teacher, but I digress...)

What makes an ancient painter special, especially when being part of what was at a moment in time a very mainstream movement, but someone who lives today and can do the same ***isn't worth anything? Cause they were involved in religious and political propaganda? And don't make me start on the meaning, most of them are just assumed, but sometimes, you know, the artist didn't draw a naked chick cause he was sending a deep emotional message, but just cause he was a perv and wanted to stare at naked models.

Hello Degas and poor dancers forced into awkward positions.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-12 08:50:13  
And many of the greats weren't even considered great in their lifetimes.

We still have that problem.

So I guess, for me, if you appreciate art, music, literature, whatever; don't focus just on what's in the past, because you're doing a great disservice to tomorrow's "legends" in their fields.

So many times you see "modern (blank) isn't as good as (blank) from the past!"

...give it the lens of time and it will be considered as great or greater, I bet.
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