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 Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-06-10 13:18:09
An Open Letter to Jerry Seinfeld from a 'Politically Correct' College Student.
Quote: "So, yes, Mr. Seinfeld, we college students are politically correct. We will call out sexism and racism if we hear it. But if you're going to come to my college and perform in front of me, be prepared to write up a set that doesn't just offend me, but has something to say.
There's no reason you can't do what other comics are doing. You have an amazing legacy, both in stand-up and on television, because you do your job well.
But, there's a generation in college right now that hasn't seen your comedy, and there's a demographic that yearns for laughter. College students today are looking to be provoked, to be offended by comedy, and to think about these issues within the context of comedy."
Entitled college student requires that you only offend him the way he likes to be offended, yet proclaims to want offensive comedy anyways.
(From the comment section)
Quote: "I can't understand how the author could have put finger to keyboard, written this letter, and not have felt horrific shame. In just a few predictable paragraphs he managed to prove Seinfeld's point.
Then to do a 180, and contradict himself at the very end stating that he and all students can take it. No you can't. You are young, weak minded, entitled, and paternalistic. You are everything Seinfeld was talking about."
Pleebo, did you pen that letter? Nausi syndrome strikes again?
Quote: We need to talk about the role that provocative comedy holds today in a progressive world.
It isn't so much that college students are too politically correct (whatever your definition of that concept is), it's that comedy in our progressive society today can no longer afford to be crass, or provocative for the sake of being offensive. Sexist humor and racist humor can no longer exist in comedy because these concepts are based on archaic ideals that have perpetrated injustice against minorities in the past.
Provocative humor, such as ones dealing with topics of race and gender politics, can be crass and vulgar, but underlying it must be a context that spurs social dialogue about these respective issues. There needs to be a message, a central truth behind comedy for it to work as humor.
By fonewear 2015-06-10 13:18:13
Ergo, stating that a girl would like boys on the basis that she's a girl would be sexist.
So, would it be sexist for me to assume that my wife likes boys? Or is my assumption that she's not secretly bi/lesbian an abomination to you overly-sensitive types?
You had me at secretly lesbian !
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-10 13:18:40
until a press specialist joins a corporate office after working for Obama? A free and independent (unbiased) press is a cornerstone of a democracy.
Neither position is a news source position, though. They're both PR positions that communicate their employers' actions and messages to the press.
This is my trained area. I've got some knowledge of the business. ^^;
I didn't go into PR because *** 60+ hour work weeks and being on call 24/7 to clients.
And I didn't go into journalism because I wasn't willing/able to relocate to a major city to maybe get a good position doing articles for the metamorphisizing magazine industry.
By fonewear 2015-06-10 13:18:54
Heteronormative is denoting or relating to a world view that promotes heterosexuality as the normal or preferred sexual orientation. Biology agrees.
Yea but biology is based on logic not feels !
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-10 13:19:45
Heteronormative is denoting or relating to a world view that promotes heterosexuality as the normal or preferred sexual orientation. Biology agrees.
Yea but biology is based on logic not feels !
Strictly speaking, feels are part of biology.
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By fonewear 2015-06-10 13:20:35
See the beauty of gender is you be all you can be...no wait that is in the army which now accepts trans genders !
 Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-10 13:20:54
until a press specialist joins a corporate office after working for Obama? A free and independent (unbiased) press is a cornerstone of a democracy.
Neither position is a news source position, though. They're both PR positions that communicate their employers' actions and messages to the press.
This is my trained area. I've got some knowledge of the business. ^^;
I didn't go into PR because *** 60+ hour work weeks and being on call 24/7 to clients.Right, but the problem is disguising it as legitimate journalism.
By fonewear 2015-06-10 13:21:11
Heteronormative is denoting or relating to a world view that promotes heterosexuality as the normal or preferred sexual orientation. Biology agrees.
Yea but biology is based on logic not feels !
Strictly speaking, feels are part of biology.
I don't like where this is going so I'm going to go ahead and say Biology is a study of feels relating to how living things feel !
Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-06-10 13:21:27
Ergo, stating that a girl would like boys on the basis that she's a girl would be sexist.
So, would it be sexist for me to assume that my wife likes boys? Or is my assumption that she's not secretly bi/lesbian an abomination to you overly-sensitive types? If you are doing it on the premise that she likes men because she is a girl, then yes. If you are doing it on the premise that she likes men, because she likes men, then no.
The first is a stereotype. The second isn't.
What does abomination or sensitivity have anything to do with it?
By Ramyrez 2015-06-10 13:22:08
Right, but the problem is disguising it as legitimate journalism.
But that doesn't apply in this situation.
By fonewear 2015-06-10 13:22:31
One of these "people" is trans gender can you spot them !
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-10 13:23:01
Heteronormative is denoting or relating to a world view that promotes heterosexuality as the normal or preferred sexual orientation. Biology agrees.
Yea but biology is based on logic not feels !
Strictly speaking, feels are part of biology.
I don't like where this is going so I'm going to go ahead and say Biology is a study of feels relating to how living things feel !
Not really but if you feel this definition makes you comfortable, it's probably not going to hurt anyone for you to go ahead with it.
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-10 13:23:52
Right, but the problem is disguising it as legitimate journalism.
But that doesn't apply in this situation. Refresh me on the current situation that your thinking of.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-10 13:26:01
If you are doing it on the premise that she likes men because she is a girl, then yes. If you are doing it on the premise that she likes men, because she likes men, then no.
The first is a stereotype. The second isn't. This sort of makes sense, but I wouldn't demonize the first by calling it a stereotype. You're entering fascist territory there.
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 Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-06-10 13:27:12
Leave McDonalds Alone Obama! Leave them alone!
Me thinks Michelle Obama's getting tired of wagging her finger at the American public. Should be much easier nanny people away from fast food with your former press secretary as the chief communications officer.
Wait.
You're perfectly okay with government officials joining the corporate world until a press specialist joins a corporate office after working for Obama?
Get bent.
Again you miss the point.
The people who crusade against McDonalds for their own self righteous crusade against the indulgences of other people are stupid and should mind their own business. I believe Gibbs will bring nothing but more finger wagging PC *** to the enjoyment of McDonalds and I'm sick of it.
By fonewear 2015-06-10 13:27:24
If you are doing it on the premise that she likes men because she is a girl, then yes. If you are doing it on the premise that she likes men, because she likes men, then no.
The first is a stereotype. The second isn't. This sort of makes sense, but I wouldn't demonize the first by calling it a stereotype. You're entering fascist territory there.
Let me guess it's in Russia !
Lakshmi.Flavin
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-06-10 13:27:47
So, would it be sexist for me to assume that my wife likes boys? Or is my assumption that she's not secretly bi/lesbian an abomination to you overly-sensitive types? If your wife likes boys then you and your wife have a lot of other issues to deal with.
/chris hansen
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Bahamut.Kara
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-06-10 13:27:57
Ergo, stating that a girl would like boys on the basis that she's a girl would be sexist.
So, would it be sexist for me to assume that my wife likes boys? Or is my assumption that she's not secretly bi/lesbian an abomination to you overly-sensitive types? As he's stated before stereotypes aren't necessarily wrong but also they aren't necessarily correct.
Stating your daughter is going to want to spend her free time on weekends watching boys in the city because she is a girl is gender stereotyping.
Do lots of teenage girls between the ages of, lets say, 15-18 spend their weekends watching boys? I would say no, but that is from my personal experience during the late 90's. It might be what her mother did during the 80's when she was a teenager. In which case, there is a definite generational gap issue that the mother and father should figure out.
Personally, if I was the teen I would just use that as the reason when going out to do things that the mother would deem as unacceptable, since she finds that to be normal teenage girl behavior.
Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-06-10 13:28:31
Ergo, stating that a girl would like boys on the basis that she's a girl would be sexist.
So, would it be sexist for me to assume that my wife likes boys? Or is my assumption that she's not secretly bi/lesbian an abomination to you overly-sensitive types? If you are doing it on the premise that she likes men because she is a girl, then yes. If you are doing it on the premise that she likes men, because she likes men, then no.
The first is a stereotype. The second isn't.
What does abomination or sensitivity have anything to do with it?
Good, you are now fighting my argument for me. The statement in question that you have kept referring to as being "sexist" was a statement from a mother to a daughter. You don't know what their relationship is like. For all you know, the daughter could tell her mother on a regular basis about what boys she likes, which would go with your statement:
Quote: If you are doing it on the premise that she likes men, because she likes men, then no.
You assumed it was sexist. The mother could have simply based her comment on a liking-boys trend that she noticed in her daughter.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-10 13:28:56
Right, but the problem is disguising it as legitimate journalism.
But that doesn't apply in this situation. Refresh me on the current situation that your thinking of.
Former Obama press secretary (PR person) joins McDonald's as a press relations person (still PR person).
There is no claim of unbias reporting beyond the assumption that they intend to tell the truth about their employer to the press (which may or may not be a big assumption, but that should be the case.)
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-06-10 13:29:52
An Open Letter to Jerry Seinfeld from a 'Politically Correct' College Student.
Quote: "So, yes, Mr. Seinfeld, we college students are politically correct. We will call out sexism and racism if we hear it. But if you're going to come to my college and perform in front of me, be prepared to write up a set that doesn't just offend me, but has something to say.
There's no reason you can't do what other comics are doing. You have an amazing legacy, both in stand-up and on television, because you do your job well.
But, there's a generation in college right now that hasn't seen your comedy, and there's a demographic that yearns for laughter. College students today are looking to be provoked, to be offended by comedy, and to think about these issues within the context of comedy."
Entitled college student requires that you only offend him the way he likes to be offended, yet proclaims to want offensive comedy anyways.
(From the comment section)
Quote: "I can't understand how the author could have put finger to keyboard, written this letter, and not have felt horrific shame. In just a few predictable paragraphs he managed to prove Seinfeld's point.
Then to do a 180, and contradict himself at the very end stating that he and all students can take it. No you can't. You are young, weak minded, entitled, and paternalistic. You are everything Seinfeld was talking about."
Pleebo, did you pen that letter? Nausi syndrome strikes again?
Quote: We need to talk about the role that provocative comedy holds today in a progressive world.
It isn't so much that college students are too politically correct (whatever your definition of that concept is), it's that comedy in our progressive society today can no longer afford to be crass, or provocative for the sake of being offensive. Sexist humor and racist humor can no longer exist in comedy because these concepts are based on archaic ideals that have perpetrated injustice against minorities in the past.
Provocative humor, such as ones dealing with topics of race and gender politics, can be crass and vulgar, but underlying it must be a context that spurs social dialogue about these respective issues. There needs to be a message, a central truth behind comedy for it to work as humor.
I'm seriously beginning to think most of the liberal crowd here does not have a functioning brain. To read that letter and not be capable or willing see the point it conveyed to me is well, stupid.
I mean the comment I referenced was in the top spot when I read the article, presumably because it had the most (or amongst the most) thumbs up from all other readers. Clearly I'm not the only one to reach that conclusion.
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-10 13:30:07
If you are doing it on the premise that she likes men because she is a girl, then yes. If you are doing it on the premise that she likes men, because she likes men, then no.
The first is a stereotype. The second isn't. This sort of makes sense, but I wouldn't demonize the first by calling it a stereotype. You're entering fascist territory there.
Let me guess it's in Russia ! You're confusing Ukraine with Russia. It's a common mistake.
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By fonewear 2015-06-10 13:30:39
If you are doing it on the premise that she likes men because she is a girl, then yes. If you are doing it on the premise that she likes men, because she likes men, then no.
The first is a stereotype. The second isn't. This sort of makes sense, but I wouldn't demonize the first by calling it a stereotype. You're entering fascist territory there.
Let me guess it's in Russia ! You're confusing Ukraine with Russia. It's a common mistake.
Don't blame me blame poor education system !
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Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2015-06-10 13:30:44
An Open Letter to Jerry Seinfeld from a 'Politically Correct' College Student.
Quote: "So, yes, Mr. Seinfeld, we college students are politically correct. We will call out sexism and racism if we hear it. But if you're going to come to my college and perform in front of me, be prepared to write up a set that doesn't just offend me, but has something to say.
There's no reason you can't do what other comics are doing. You have an amazing legacy, both in stand-up and on television, because you do your job well.
But, there's a generation in college right now that hasn't seen your comedy, and there's a demographic that yearns for laughter. College students today are looking to be provoked, to be offended by comedy, and to think about these issues within the context of comedy."
Entitled college student requires that you only offend him the way he likes to be offended, yet proclaims to want offensive comedy anyways.
(From the comment section)
Quote: "I can't understand how the author could have put finger to keyboard, written this letter, and not have felt horrific shame. In just a few predictable paragraphs he managed to prove Seinfeld's point.
Then to do a 180, and contradict himself at the very end stating that he and all students can take it. No you can't. You are young, weak minded, entitled, and paternalistic. You are everything Seinfeld was talking about."
Pleebo, did you pen that letter? Yes yes. I, senpai, noticed you today.
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Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-10 13:31:36
Right, but the problem is disguising it as legitimate journalism.
But that doesn't apply in this situation. Refresh me on the current situation that your thinking of.
Former Obama press secretary (PR person) joins McDonald's as a press relations person (still PR person).
There is no claim of unbias reporting beyond the assumption that they intend to tell the truth about their employer to the press (which may or may not be a big assumption, but that should be the case.) Ah ok. I'll have to read the story then, lol.
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-10 13:33:04
ZOMG! You assumed your teenage daughter like boys! You stereotyping sexist pig, how dare you!
By fonewear 2015-06-10 13:33:39
ZOMG! You assumed your teenage daughter like boys! You stereotyping sexist pig, how dare you!
Isn't that the premise of ABC's desperate housewives ?
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By fonewear 2015-06-10 13:35:10
Damn I'm good from wikipedia the millennials Bible:
The first season premiered on October 3, 2004, and introduces the four central characters of the show: Susan Mayer, Lynette Scavo, Bree Van de Kamp and Gabrielle Solis, as well as their families and neighbors on Wisteria Lane. The main mystery of the season is the unexpected suicide of Mary Alice Young, and the involvement of her husband Paul Young (Mark Moses) and their son Zach (Cody Kasch) in the events leading up to it. Susan fights Edie Britt (Nicollette Sheridan) for the affection of new neighbor Mike Delfino (James Denton), Lynette struggles to cope with her demanding children, Bree fights to save her marriage to Rex Van de Kamp (Steven Culp), and Gabrielle tries to prevent her husband Carlos Solis (Ricardo Antonio Chavira) from discovering that she is having an affair with their gardener, John Rowland (Jesse Metcalfe).
Ragnarok.Nausi
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-06-10 13:35:17
ZOMG! You assumed your teenage daughter like boys! You stereotyping sexist pig, how dare you! Funny thing is, they're serious Chaosx.
<mental disorder>
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-10 13:37:11
ZOMG! You assumed your teenage daughter like boys! You stereotyping sexist pig, how dare you! Funny thing is, they're serious Chaosx.
<mental disorder> I know :/
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