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 Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-05 10:44:19  
So it's whitey fault then? Figures.

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sexist
Exactly which definition are you referring to?

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attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of gender roles.
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discrimination or devaluation based on a person's sex or gender, as in restricted job opportunities, especially such discrimination directed against women.
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ingrained and institutionalized prejudice against or hatred of women; misogyny.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-05 10:44:50  
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I had a journalism professor who had some pretty great grading standards.

You lost one letter grade for every grammatical error or typo in regular words of an article or press release.

You got a zero on the assignment if you incorrectly spelled a proper name of any kind.

I'll overlook a lot of spelling errors for a little journalistic integrity, that's a terrible grading standard.

Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
So it's whitey fault then? Figures.

Odin.Jassik said: »
sexist
Exactly which definition are you referring to?

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attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of gender roles.
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discrimination or devaluation based on a person's sex or gender, as in restricted job opportunities, especially such discrimination directed against women.
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ingrained and institutionalized prejudice against or hatred of women; misogyny.

No, I didn't say anything about "Whitey", I said your statement is necessarily sexist because you're attributing negative traits directly to the female gender. I really cannot make it more clear than that. If you can't understand that and choose to latch onto buzzwords, have at it, I won't be waiting for your witty retort.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-06-05 10:45:52  
I dunno...if you want your career to be writing then spelling should probably be one of your priorities..
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-05 10:47:19  
Ramyrez said: »
I had a journalism professor who had some pretty great grading standards.

You lost one letter grade for every grammatical error or typo in regular words of an article or press release.

You got a zero on the assignment if you incorrectly spelled a proper name of any kind.
Too bad journalists today don't have those kind of teachers.

Anyway I'll be back later, I have two short articles due in a few hours. Flight MH370 & something about domestic violence in the NFL against women.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-06-05 10:49:09  
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I dunno...if you want your career to be writing then spelling should probably be one of your priorities..
That's what editors are for.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2015-06-05 10:52:07  
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Having recently taken a few semesters of college classes ~12 years after I got my first degree, I'm just shocked at the perceived persecution that a lot of young people have. Running to ratemyprofessor to write long complaints about how mean a professor is for not accepting their late work or using excuses for missing class like "it was my birthday". There are plenty of real struggles for young people right now, but this overly litigious, participation award movement needs to go away.

I guess today is "Ravael's Anecdotes Day". I had a college professor that made a girl cry. Homework was due before the start of class, and she handed her homework to fellow classmates to pass the paper down to the professor's desk. The paper hit his desk a couple seconds after the hour. He handed it back to her and gave her a zero. I wonder how well that would go for him at other universities nowadays.
Depends. It's a pretty important life lesson.

It doesn't necessarily matter how well you do something if you can't complete it in the given timeframe.
Also, knowing you have a problem or issue and addressing it in due time beforehand, rather than waiting to the last minute or after to try to resolve it.

A lot of people (and organizations) would be better off for having learned those things.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-06-05 10:52:39  
All I could find was.....

"What we don't win in the courts we will take in the streets and ballot boxes".

which I think is backwards from what I remembered...
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-06-05 10:53:36  
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I dunno...if you want your career to be writing then spelling should probably be one of your priorities..
That's what editors are for.

Editors must suck then. I rarely see an online article without a typo.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-06-05 10:54:27  
I had an english teacher in HS that had a pretty big impact on the way that many people wrote. She had a system sort of like that but it gave you opportunities to correct your mistakes. your paper was originally graded on the meat and potatos of any literary assignment and then she went on to grammar and spelling. She, at the beginnning of the year, handed out a list of common grammatical mistakes and then if you made one she would give you your paper back. Now you had two more chances to correct your mistakes to get the grade you would have originally been awarded but if you didn't then you received a score of 50 for having done the assignement.

It made everyone go back and examine their errors to see and understand what they were and to get kids to get in the habit of actually looking over their work to correct it instead of just writing it up and handing it in first draft.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-06-05 10:55:36  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I dunno...if you want your career to be writing then spelling should probably be one of your priorities..
That's what editors are for.

Editors must suck then. I rarely see an online article without a typo.
That's a real possibility.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-05 10:56:03  
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I dunno...if you want your career to be writing then spelling should probably be one of your priorities..
That's what editors are for.

Editors must suck then. I rarely see an online article without a typo.

I kinda doubt most of those are even proof-read. Internet journalism is all about being the first to publish, unlike classic newspaper or even network broadcast news, where there is a schedule.

I am at the point where I've started getting the newspaper again.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-06-05 11:01:17  
Bahamut.Milamber said: »
Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Having recently taken a few semesters of college classes ~12 years after I got my first degree, I'm just shocked at the perceived persecution that a lot of young people have. Running to ratemyprofessor to write long complaints about how mean a professor is for not accepting their late work or using excuses for missing class like "it was my birthday". There are plenty of real struggles for young people right now, but this overly litigious, participation award movement needs to go away.

I guess today is "Ravael's Anecdotes Day". I had a college professor that made a girl cry. Homework was due before the start of class, and she handed her homework to fellow classmates to pass the paper down to the professor's desk. The paper hit his desk a couple seconds after the hour. He handed it back to her and gave her a zero. I wonder how well that would go for him at other universities nowadays.
Depends. It's a pretty important life lesson.

It doesn't necessarily matter how well you do something if you can't complete it in the given timeframe.
Also, knowing you have a problem or issue and addressing it in due time beforehand, rather than waiting to the last minute or after to try to resolve it.

A lot of people (and organizations) would be better off for having learned those things.

Yeah, I dunno. I never had a problem with him. He was a real jerk and would not shut up about how superior Bayesian statistics were to other models (even when they gave the exact same answer but took twice the time), but somehow I learned more from him than almost all of my other teachers.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-06-05 11:25:09  
Westboro church to picket Beau Biden's funeral

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By Ramyrez 2015-06-05 11:29:25  
Odin.Jassik said: »
I'll overlook a lot of spelling errors for a little journalistic integrity, that's a terrible grading standard.

That wasn't the entirety of his grading standard. That was merely his policy on spelling. He had pretty big focuses on truth, integrity, and other journalistic ideals. It's all important. And they're all errors that can be caught with thorough review.

We're not talking about teaching people to write blog posts or op-ed pieces for the Bumfuck Nowhere Press; we're talking about things like corporate press releases and articles in major publications.

He's one of the best professors I've ever had, frankly. And he wasn't even a Ph.D., only a Master's + two decades of experience in public and private service before he began teaching (he was a correspondence/relations officer in the army during Vietnam).

You learn to get names right on things like announcements listing fallen soldiers, and get your facts right when you're delivering terrible news to tense families.

Truth be told, he did as many PR classes as journalism (hence the press release training), but I'm willing to bet most agencies and companies wouldn't care for his teachings, entirely because he felt "spin" was a dirty word and was an all-truth, all-the-time type of guy.
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By Cerberus.Laconic 2015-06-05 11:30:42  
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I think both liberal and conservative posters alike on this forum can agree with this article written by a liberal professor. As much as some people here like to slam "feels", I think it's safe to say most people here don't actually go so far as to let those "feels" effect their day-to-day in a drastic way, just our ideals as we argue them on said internet forums.

This, however, has very serious, very problematic real-world repercussions for everyone and it's out the *** of control.

I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me

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I'm a professor at a midsize state school. I have been teaching college classes for nine years now. I have won (minor) teaching awards, studied pedagogy extensively, and almost always score highly on my student evaluations. I am not a world-class teacher by any means, but I am conscientious; I attempt to put teaching ahead of research, and I take a healthy emotional stake in the well-being and growth of my students.

Things have changed since I started teaching. The vibe is different. I wish there were a less blunt way to put this, but my students sometimes scare me — particularly the liberal ones.

Not, like, in a person-by-person sense, but students in general. The student-teacher dynamic has been reenvisioned along a line that's simultaneously consumerist and hyper-protective, giving each and every student the ability to claim Grievous Harm in nearly any circumstance, after any affront, and a teacher's formal ability to respond to these claims is limited at best.

Agree about a liberal professor complaining that liberal policy has gotten so out of control that he is in fear of losing his job?
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-05 11:36:37  
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liberal policy

Yeah. Liberals are the only ones spoiling their children and making them entitled.

Rich conservatives would never turn their children into entitled brats who have been handed everything and for whom every shortcoming is someone else's fault, and they should pay for that fault.

And liberals are the people turning universities and colleges into businesses over places of learning. That sure sounds like liberal policy to me.

This is not a poltical issue, people. This encompasses many people throughout the vast majority of the political spectrum.

This is a cultural problem that doesn't pay heed to party lines.
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By Cerberus.Laconic 2015-06-05 11:46:49  
Ramyrez said: »
Cerberus.Laconic said: »
liberal policy

Yeah. Liberals are the only ones spoiling their children and making them entitled.

Rich conservatives would never turn their children into entitled brats who have been handed everything and for whom every shortcoming is someone else's fault, and they should pay for that fault.

Yet, liberal policy enables both.

Ramyrez said: »
This is not a poltical issue

How is it not?


Ramyrez said: »
This is a cultural problem that doesn't pay heed to party lines.

True. Now that conservatives have begun using liberal policy against liberals, liberals are mad and need someone/thing to blame. They cannot blame themselves now can they.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-06-05 11:48:20  
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Ramyrez said: »
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liberal policy

Yeah. Liberals are the only ones spoiling their children and making them entitled.

Rich conservatives would never turn their children into entitled brats who have been handed everything and for whom every shortcoming is someone else's fault, and they should pay for that fault.

Yet, liberal policy enables both.

Ramyrez said: »
This is not a poltical issue

How is it not?


Ramyrez said: »
This is a cultural problem that doesn't pay heed to party lines.

True. Now that conservatives have begun using liberal policy against liberals, liberals are mad and need someone/thing to blame.

Please outline which "liberal" policies you are referring to.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-06-05 11:49:37  

they will probably be cleared out prior to the potus going there...
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-05 12:03:40  
Cerberus.Laconic said: »
Ramyrez said: »
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liberal policy

Yeah. Liberals are the only ones spoiling their children and making them entitled.

Rich conservatives would never turn their children into entitled brats who have been handed everything and for whom every shortcoming is someone else's fault, and they should pay for that fault.

Yet, liberal policy enables both.

Ramyrez said: »
This is not a poltical issue

How is it not?


Ramyrez said: »
This is a cultural problem that doesn't pay heed to party lines.

True. Now that conservatives have begun using liberal policy against liberals, liberals are mad and need someone/thing to blame. They cannot blame themselves now can they.

***'s sake. Do you ever do anything other than troll?

Your posts are seriously useless.

I mean, all of our posts are useless in some grand sense.

But you seriously contribute absolutely nothing of value to anything. It's like you only post to insult "lolLibtards".

People like you are why we can't get anything done in this country, ever. :p
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-05 12:06:28  
Liberals and trolls, bringing down America together.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-05 12:14:13  
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Liberals and trolls, bringing down America together.

Go take your drugs and drink yourself into a stupor, expatriate.
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By Cerberus.Laconic 2015-06-05 12:14:14  
Ramyrez said: »
Cerberus.Laconic said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Cerberus.Laconic said: »
liberal policy

Yeah. Liberals are the only ones spoiling their children and making them entitled.

Rich conservatives would never turn their children into entitled brats who have been handed everything and for whom every shortcoming is someone else's fault, and they should pay for that fault.

Yet, liberal policy enables both.

Ramyrez said: »
This is not a poltical issue

How is it not?


Ramyrez said: »
This is a cultural problem that doesn't pay heed to party lines.

True. Now that conservatives have begun using liberal policy against liberals, liberals are mad and need someone/thing to blame. They cannot blame themselves now can they.
"feels"

So you do not agree liberal policy enables this behavior? In your opinion this is not a political issue and quite frankly, people like you are why we can't get anything done in this country, ever.

Ramyrez said: »
It's like you only post to insult "lolLibtards".
Other reasons exist?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-05 12:14:18  
About time someone from the same party called her out for her constant behavior that started back in Arkansas.
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He has virtually no chance to get the Democratic nomination but former Rhode Island Governor and Senator Lincoln Chafee deserves credit. He finally said what all responsible Democrats need to acknowledge about their inevitable nominee:

It’s a long record going back over decades of questionable ethical practices. People groan when I bring up Whitewater and all these things, the Rose Law Firm records; it seems like it never stops. Now, we are into the tenure of secretary of State and the emails and of course the Clinton Foundation donations at the same time the State Department is making critical decisions, combined with some of those donations by the Clinton Foundation. It’s just too close and too many ethical questions. Over my 30-year record in public office, I’ve never had any ethical questions about my behavior.

Well, good for him. There are a few critical points worth noting here.

First, we are not talking about an isolated incident in Clinton’s career. We are talking about endemic behavior, a pattern of conduct reinforced over decades. The has inverted the essence of public service. Rather than serve the voters she has used to her office and her potential candidacy to further her own political and financial interests. It undermines the notion of accountability and ultimately of democracy itself to say that corrupt, secretive and dishonest pols deserve our indulgence.

Second, not everyone does it. Not all politicians are crooks; in fact no other politician behaves as she does.

Consider the litany just since 2009: She repeatedly violated her agreement with the administration to disclose potential conflicts of interest. While in office the State Department made decisions directly implicating donors to the foundation and her husband’s speaking fee sponsors. She violated administration guidelines in keep her entire email system private, risking hacking and preventing oversight. When it became an issue, she destroyed tens of thousands of emails. She evaded her president’s directive not to hire a scurrilous political operative Sidney Blumenthal, but instead received and circulated his official-looking, but entirely unvetted, memos on Libya — while he was paid by the foundation and despite his business connections to those who stood to profit there. And that does not touch on issues of gross incompetence (e.g. failing to protect diplomats in Benghazi, Libya), lack of vision (e.g. no coherent response to the Arab Spring), bad judgment (e.g. Russian reset), shortsightedness (e.g. celebrating withdrawal of all troops from Iraq in 2011), and self-delusion (e.g. outreach to Iran and obsessing over the “peace process”).

And finally, Chafee’s outburst reminds us that she still refuses to be questioned about any of this in depth. She hides from real voters and the press, scoffing at the need to explain herself.

Unfortunately for the Democratic Party and for the country, only Lincoln Chafee is saying this. Members of Congress, liberal pundits and big donors have yet to say, “Hey, this is a bridge too far. We can’t justify supporting her. There is no excuse for this.” Only if they finally admit this can the party recover its soul and a candidate not ethically disqualified to hold office (let alone the presidency) can emerge. For now, Clinton — just like with Whitewater, the Rose Law Firm, the White House travel office, the Chinese finance scandals of the 1990’s, the foundation, the emails and the conflicts of interest — is getting away with it. She’s conducted herself this way for 20-plus years because she’s never paid any real price.
Lincoln Chafee finally says it: Hillary’s too corrupt to be president
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-06-05 12:15:21  
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Liberals and trolls, bringing down America together.

Go take your drugs and drink yourself into a stupor, expatriate.
Sorry, too busy earning money atm.
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By Cerberus.Laconic 2015-06-05 12:15:43  
Ramyrez said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Liberals and trolls, bringing down America together.

Go take your drugs and drink yourself into a stupor, expatriate.

Ramyrez said: »
I mean, all of our posts are useless in some grand sense.

I know what you mean.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-06-05 12:16:41  
Odin.Jassik said: »
Cerberus.Laconic said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Cerberus.Laconic said: »
liberal policy

Yeah. Liberals are the only ones spoiling their children and making them entitled.

Rich conservatives would never turn their children into entitled brats who have been handed everything and for whom every shortcoming is someone else's fault, and they should pay for that fault.

Yet, liberal policy enables both.

Ramyrez said: »
This is not a poltical issue

How is it not?


Ramyrez said: »
This is a cultural problem that doesn't pay heed to party lines.

True. Now that conservatives have begun using liberal policy against liberals, liberals are mad and need someone/thing to blame.

Please outline which "liberal" policies you are referring to.

Not to speak for him, but he means "liberalism" not liberal policies. You know, the same ideology that brings us everyone gets a trophy, high school classes with 27 valedictorians etc.

Ramyrez said: »
Cerberus.Laconic said: »
liberal policy

Yeah. Liberals are the only ones spoiling their children and making them entitled.

Rich conservatives would never turn their children into entitled brats who have been handed everything and for whom every shortcoming is someone else's fault, and they should pay for that fault.

And liberals are the people turning universities and colleges into businesses over places of learning. That sure sounds like liberal policy to me.

This is not a poltical issue, people. This encompasses many people throughout the vast majority of the political spectrum.

This is a cultural problem that doesn't pay heed to party lines.
The conversation isn't about liberal people vs conservative people. It's about liberalism vs conservatism. Conservatism doesn't raise people to be entitled. Our culture is inundated with liberalism.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-05 12:17:11  
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So you do not agree liberal policy enables this behavior?

"Policy" enables this behavior. It's been across the board for decades. Everyone sues and takes everyone to court over everything.

And frankly, no. In this particular instance, this is not a liberal policy. A liberal policy would allow a professor to teach as intended, and to defend himself against baseless accusations of entitled students.

Corporate culture bleeding into academia causes this, where the student is the customer, so they get their way because they're the ones paying.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-06-05 12:20:16  
Ramyrez said: »
Cerberus.Laconic said: »
So you do not agree liberal policy enables this behavior?

"Policy" enables this behavior. It's been across the board for decades. Everyone sues and takes everyone to court over everything.

And frankly, no. In this particular instance, this is not a liberal policy. A liberal policy would allow a professor to teach as intended, and to defend himself against baseless accusations of entitled students.

Corporate culture bleeding into academia causes this, where the student is the customer, so they get their way because they're the ones paying.

Liberal policy is common core, and it is the exact opposite of what you think a liberal policy should be. Part of liberalism and it's ideology is perpetuating a mischaracterized understanding of itself.
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By Ramyrez 2015-06-05 12:20:27  
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Conservatism doesn't raise people to be entitled.

BWAHAHAHAHA.

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